Discussion
Monch said:
DavidLankaster said:
Dr S said:
What is your thought on seating position in the 992 buckets vs 991? I have folding buckets in my 1.2 Touring. Had a sit in the 992 fixed back buckets and got the impression that seating position is somewhat more upright. The folding buckets are the most comfy seats I know of. In the 992 fixed back ones I got immediately the impression that back pain would approach rather quickly
Folding buckets are really nice to sit in and less upright, a bit tighter, would you believe lighter !! also heated now days, folding and more helmet room, easier to get in a and out a win x7 I don't get why people spec 918 style seats unless very tall or very fat. Also not nice for helmet use on track so a triple fail imo. well a 7x fail point and only 1 plus point, height adjust for tall people.I have no problem with 918 style with a helmet, but chose a helmet by taking the car to shop and trying different helmets in the car, but a friend of mine does have an issue with his helmet that has some design elements on the rear, and wears a HANS device.
Cheib said:
Folding Buckets definitely sat higher in than 918 Buckets in 991.2…that was the major reason I went for the 918 buckets. I have the 918 sat low in my 991.2 GT3…if you raise them the way the mechanism works means they are more upright.
Thats right C seem to recollect the difference amounts to around 1cm.Cheib said:
Monch said:
DavidLankaster said:
Dr S said:
What is your thought on seating position in the 992 buckets vs 991? I have folding buckets in my 1.2 Touring. Had a sit in the 992 fixed back buckets and got the impression that seating position is somewhat more upright. The folding buckets are the most comfy seats I know of. In the 992 fixed back ones I got immediately the impression that back pain would approach rather quickly
Folding buckets are really nice to sit in and less upright, a bit tighter, would you believe lighter !! also heated now days, folding and more helmet room, easier to get in a and out a win x7 I don't get why people spec 918 style seats unless very tall or very fat. Also not nice for helmet use on track so a triple fail imo. well a 7x fail point and only 1 plus point, height adjust for tall people.I have no problem with 918 style with a helmet, but chose a helmet by taking the car to shop and trying different helmets in the car, but a friend of mine does have an issue with his helmet that has some design elements on the rear, and wears a HANS device.
[quote=Melvynr]
Great write up. I get my GT3 Touring, crayon, PDK, PCCB and carbon backed seats in 4 weeks time. I want to use it as an everyday car - your write up suggests that could be a challenge!. I still have my 997 GT3 RS 4.0 for the special occasion and sold my 991 GT3.1 RS as it was too hardcore/quick for everyday use and too clinical on track - compared with the 997 4.0 which allows all the driver input that you can master.
Great write up. I get my GT3 Touring, crayon, PDK, PCCB and carbon backed seats in 4 weeks time. I want to use it as an everyday car - your write up suggests that could be a challenge!. I still have my 997 GT3 RS 4.0 for the special occasion and sold my 991 GT3.1 RS as it was too hardcore/quick for everyday use and too clinical on track - compared with the 997 4.0 which allows all the driver input that you can master.
hornbaek]elvynr said:
Great write up. I get my GT3 Touring, crayon, PDK, PCCB and carbon backed seats in 4 weeks time. I want to use it as an everyday car - your write up suggests that could be a challenge!. I still have my 997 GT3 RS 4.0 for the special occasion and sold my 991 GT3.1 RS as it was too hardcore/quick for everyday use and too clinical on track - compared with the 997 4.0 which allows all the driver input that you can master.
That’s a good point actually, selling a gt3 991.1RS as it’s too quick for everyday use and too clinical is very much like the new 992GT3It really isn’t a bad car
It’s a great car…
I think more and more that using an older 996/997 will reward more…. Unless lap times are the only aim.
But I’m too old for that in the new touring for everyday, I’m hoping you will enjoy the new crayon car.
Great to get some more feedback from another who owns the car but is prepared to be honest and critical.
Got out for a first proper drive today with friends, on some familiar backroads including a number used in the annual NZ Targa. 250km loop punctuated by a cafe lunch stop mid-way. Ive driven this route in every performance car Ive owned in the last 5 years so it was good to benchmark the 992 GT3.
Interesting, I found the ride firm but well resolved for rebound. Hard to believe the spring rates are up so high. They have done an excellent job here. Its firmer than the 991.2 but not by much and I feel it handles compression and rebound better.
Turn in is quicker/sharper.
PDK Gear shifts are smoother. Too smooth IMO, but Ive always felt PDK is not the most engaging option for back road driving. Less overall mechanical noises and now more fan noise at low speeds.
Road holing as speed is noticeably improved over the 991 gen cars. A combination of the aero, wider track and larger tire patch really helped keep the car well screwed to the tarmac on bumpy fast stretches where 100-120mph was "less hairy" on these stretches than the earlier cars which felt "floaty" on these stretches of our test route.
I agree the PCM is overly complicated. Ive had a play with the new PCM6 on a Macan delivered this week at the dealer and its not much of an improvement unless you use Apple music. Deeper integration of apple services was the only really noticeable feature although the new drag and drop features are nice to have. Connect service is a bit flakey and quite honestly I wont be renewing it when it expires. I dont need these features in a track car.
The wheel design still chips up easily. We went over some recently repaired chip seal and ended up with stones everywhere. However they are not as bad as the 991.1/2 - those wheels as lovely as they were like road debris hoovers!
The rear diffuser valence is also a stone trap. I have a bunch of road gravel now trapped down the valence on either side of the exhaust (obvious is you stand above and look down).
The interior definitely feels less solid than before. Not that it really bothers me. Even the steering wheel feels a little less "hewn from stone".
Im half way through my run in kms and not due to get to the track for another 4 weeks. Im pretty certain this car is going to really shine on the track and thats what I purchased it for but if you are not suiong it on track I still maintain its probably not worth upgrading from the 991.2 unless you just have to have the latest toy etc.
Got out for a first proper drive today with friends, on some familiar backroads including a number used in the annual NZ Targa. 250km loop punctuated by a cafe lunch stop mid-way. Ive driven this route in every performance car Ive owned in the last 5 years so it was good to benchmark the 992 GT3.
Interesting, I found the ride firm but well resolved for rebound. Hard to believe the spring rates are up so high. They have done an excellent job here. Its firmer than the 991.2 but not by much and I feel it handles compression and rebound better.
Turn in is quicker/sharper.
PDK Gear shifts are smoother. Too smooth IMO, but Ive always felt PDK is not the most engaging option for back road driving. Less overall mechanical noises and now more fan noise at low speeds.
Road holing as speed is noticeably improved over the 991 gen cars. A combination of the aero, wider track and larger tire patch really helped keep the car well screwed to the tarmac on bumpy fast stretches where 100-120mph was "less hairy" on these stretches than the earlier cars which felt "floaty" on these stretches of our test route.
I agree the PCM is overly complicated. Ive had a play with the new PCM6 on a Macan delivered this week at the dealer and its not much of an improvement unless you use Apple music. Deeper integration of apple services was the only really noticeable feature although the new drag and drop features are nice to have. Connect service is a bit flakey and quite honestly I wont be renewing it when it expires. I dont need these features in a track car.
The wheel design still chips up easily. We went over some recently repaired chip seal and ended up with stones everywhere. However they are not as bad as the 991.1/2 - those wheels as lovely as they were like road debris hoovers!
The rear diffuser valence is also a stone trap. I have a bunch of road gravel now trapped down the valence on either side of the exhaust (obvious is you stand above and look down).
The interior definitely feels less solid than before. Not that it really bothers me. Even the steering wheel feels a little less "hewn from stone".
Im half way through my run in kms and not due to get to the track for another 4 weeks. Im pretty certain this car is going to really shine on the track and thats what I purchased it for but if you are not suiong it on track I still maintain its probably not worth upgrading from the 991.2 unless you just have to have the latest toy etc.
Might add. Bucket seats to me feel very similar to the buckets on my 991.2 GT3. At their lowest setting you sit around 20mm lower.
The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
Macca993 said:
Might add. Bucket seats to me feel very similar to the buckets on my 991.2 GT3. At their lowest setting you sit around 20mm lower.
The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
M, have a backroad I think you''ll enjoy.The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
Cheers - D
av185 said:
Thanks Macca interesting points.
Don't think you mentioned the 992 engine comparison v your 991.2. Does it feel and sound much different?
At this point I haven't been able to extend the powertrain beyond 7000rpm so its perhaps too early to tell. It feels strong and smooth. I haven't really noticed a huge amount more throttle sensitivity than before even though there are now ITB. Volume in the cabin seems similar to before I suspect mostly attributed to thinner glass and less sound deadening. Don't think you mentioned the 992 engine comparison v your 991.2. Does it feel and sound much different?
I think perhaps something we have all over looked a bit when comparing the 992 and 991 GT3 is the extraordinary lengths Porsche have gone to keep the weight the same given the wider track and larger starting weight of the 992 and the increasing requirements for safety, emissions and trend for increased electronic assistance.
We have never seen such alot of work done in a single generational change to address weight. The price in some areas is the feeling of substancialness.
Lighter forged alloys
Brake rotors with aluminum hats
Rear quarter panels now aluminum
Rear engine lid and wing now CF
Hood now CF
Light weight glass in all 6 windows
Less sound interior deadening with lighter surface materials (racetek vs alcantera etc)
Lighter weight glass bead PU for front and rear bumpers (may already have been on 991.2?)
One thing looking under the car that is noticeable is the work that's been done here to improve aero. The only downside is a single off track excursions is going to rip a lot of the plastic ducting away. The front brakes now have a complex multi level air feed which looks fragile. There are also a variety of vanes used to direct air around the wheels...
Macca993 said:
Might add. Bucket seats to me feel very similar to the buckets on my 991.2 GT3. At their lowest setting you sit around 20mm lower.
The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
Hi chap - I was trying to find a comment you made in a previous post but I can’t, hence this reply in a random post - but hopefully this way you’ll pick it up. The new external side mirrors while not as aesthetically well executed as the 991 GT3 do give better visibility.
Its great to have the mode selector on the wheel now like the 991.2/992 Carrera. Also great to finally have some buttons on the wheel for controlling vol, menus and phone. That should have happened ages ago IMO.
OBD2 port is now above drivers pedals FYI for anyone integrating a telemetric system. This is the opposite side of the car as before as we found out when re installing my AIM system.
Dont forget you'll need a new trickle charger this time as the battery is LiPo4
The carpet in the passenger side still doesn't fit under the extinguisher with Clubsport option. Really annoyed Porsche still haven't sorted this one out.
Lastly, Maybe Ive been spending to much time using my Cube Controls wheel on the racing sim or driving the Alfa QV but the Porsche PDK "paddles" seem very small. I know they are teh same as my old 991.1 GT3 but I think its time Porsche made them bigger. It would be nice if they have a more discerning "click" as well. Just saying...
So I’m sure you mentioned something on your 991.2 GT3 about a rear suspension issue being resolved under recall - something to do with a clanking cage when suspension hit a pot hole and maybe the rubbers or bump stops being replaced. I only ask as my 991.2 GT3 always makes a big cage clunk if the rear suspension compresses suddenly - I always smile when it happens, as I thought it was simply a GT3 CS thing (think my 991.1 did it too) But after reading your post. I wonder if it should have had a campaign recall for it. I’m sure it’s fine but I thought I’d check ?
Hope life is treating you well and Vanuatu is completely back to normal now & that you’re enjoying your new toy ?
Hi Rich. The rear springs on the 991.2 is a known issue and the dealer will replace yours with the altered parts free of charge if you ask. The issue is more noticeable on the Clubsport cars as the sound is transferred through the cage and amplified. The replacement part is the same rear spring with a clear rubber tube that is compression fitted over the top of the spring so that it removes the metal to metal sound when the top of the spring is compressed during movement when the car is under full compression. I read about this on Rennlist as it had been an issue in the states and the dealer replaced mine and a few others I know. There is a bulletin on this....all well thanks and hope same for you and yours...:-)
RSVP911 said:
Hi chap - I was trying to find a comment you made in a previous post but I can’t, hence this reply in a random post - but hopefully this way you’ll pick it up.
So I’m sure you mentioned something on your 991.2 GT3 about a rear suspension issue being resolved under recall - something to do with a clanking cage when suspension hit a pot hole and maybe the rubbers or bump stops being replaced. I only ask as my 991.2 GT3 always makes a big cage clunk if the rear suspension compresses suddenly - I always smile when it happens, as I thought it was simply a GT3 CS thing (think my 991.1 did it too) But after reading your post. I wonder if it should have had a campaign recall for it. I’m sure it’s fine but I thought I’d check ?
Hope life is treating you well and Vanuatu is completely back to normal now & that you’re enjoying your new toy ?
Wondering the same as mine does exactly the same over a rough piece or big short compression in the road. If it's not going to do any damage, I can put up with it as it's only intermittent.So I’m sure you mentioned something on your 991.2 GT3 about a rear suspension issue being resolved under recall - something to do with a clanking cage when suspension hit a pot hole and maybe the rubbers or bump stops being replaced. I only ask as my 991.2 GT3 always makes a big cage clunk if the rear suspension compresses suddenly - I always smile when it happens, as I thought it was simply a GT3 CS thing (think my 991.1 did it too) But after reading your post. I wonder if it should have had a campaign recall for it. I’m sure it’s fine but I thought I’d check ?
Hope life is treating you well and Vanuatu is completely back to normal now & that you’re enjoying your new toy ?
Melvynr said:
Wondering the same as mine does exactly the same over a rough piece or big short compression in the road. If it's not going to do any damage, I can put up with it as it's only intermittent.
Yep agree it doesn’t bother me - just assumed it was a GT3 CS thing - Macca is it a “must do” from a technical perspective (ie will be damaging the car) or is it a “can do”, but only if it gets on your t**s” 
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