Discussion
APOLO1 said:
I would think based on her experience, she knows what she is on about and got mixed up with under and oversteer. For me and few friends that have tracked our 992GT3s, it 100% has mid fast corner oversteer, its easy enough to correct but you do lose speed. The person responsible for Aero on GT road cars recommended setting the front and rear Aero to max settings, as this would make the back more stable in the fast corners. This completely sorted it for me. I Think i have seen most of GT3 videos including the US on track tests and the SportAuto one in which they set a very fast lap time, not seen anyone mention this Mid Corner understeer point. I note SportAuto were very critical of both under and oversteer in the corners on the 765LT lap time. None of the Pro divers that have driven my car or the instructors at the Porsche Experience Centre commented on this mid corner under-steer point on the 992GT3 either, in fact quite the opposite.
Yes, I watch them all as well and hadn't heard that mentioned. I just want to see some proper road reviews.Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 4th October 12:35
ChrisW. said:
If the suspension is very firm / damped and the road surface uneven, this could cause the car to understeer mid corner under power.
Were the discs steel or PCB ? Were the tyres new or old ? How close to the limit was she ?
Firming up the suspension and damping must have consequences even if it does make the car feel planted ...
I must sound like the angel of doom wanting to see road reviews, especially Bovington.Were the discs steel or PCB ? Were the tyres new or old ? How close to the limit was she ?
Firming up the suspension and damping must have consequences even if it does make the car feel planted ...
Mad Scientist said:
Are you weighing up whether to buy one based on a few reviews?
Not at all no, but proper reviews would and do help as I know my favourite roads and anything stiffer could put me off. I would daily mine without a problem as it doesn't tramline at speed, will the 992 with the bigger rear wheel and extra rubber? Am sure I am not on my own wanting to see road reviews as the GT3 is meant to be the sweet spot with the RS being the track car.Melvynr said:
Not at all no, but proper reviews would and do help as I know my favourite roads and anything stiffer could put me off. I would daily mine without a problem as it doesn't tramline at speed, will the 992 with the bigger rear wheel and extra rubber? Am sure I am not on my own wanting to see road reviews as the GT3 is meant to be the sweet spot with the RS being the track car.
Mine tramlines a little on roads where the lumps and bumps are a bit much, but it also has more negative camber. Nothing to ruin the experience for me, just keeps me on my toes. There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
Mad Scientist said:
Mine tramlines a little on roads where the lumps and bumps are a bit much, but it also has more negative camber. Nothing to ruin the experience for me, just keeps me on my toes.
There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
finmac said:
Anyone got an idea of likely order fulfilment for new GT3s next year please? My OPC is not at all hopeful of much if any at all coming through.
They are right.As previously posted early allocations should be known late this year but most reckon there will be very few cars.
Mad Scientist said:
Mine tramlines a little on roads where the lumps and bumps are a bit much, but it also has more negative camber. Nothing to ruin the experience for me, just keeps me on my toes.
There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
That's good to hear, at the end of the day it's how one finds it for themselves. As long as it keeps you smiling is what it's about. I see you run an M4 for a daily, I had a couple of F80 M3s then got the F80 CS, thought it was excellent until I put the BM3 tune into it which truly transformed it with different maps to try.Very easy to use with a huge customer base and service. Power delivery is very linear as well at around 525hp.Cheers.There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
https://www.protuningfreaks.com
Melvynr said:
Mad Scientist said:
Mine tramlines a little on roads where the lumps and bumps are a bit much, but it also has more negative camber. Nothing to ruin the experience for me, just keeps me on my toes.
There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
That's good to hear, at the end of the day it's how one finds it for themselves. As long as it keeps you smiling is what it's about. I see you run an M4 for a daily, I had a couple of F80 M3s then got the F80 CS, thought it was excellent until I put the BM3 tune into it which truly transformed it with different maps to try.Very easy to use with a huge customer base and service. Power delivery is very linear as well at around 525hp.Cheers.There’s some bits of road round here where you know if you have oncoming traffic you are going through a bit of a hole. Sort of place that makes you hold your breath. they are no worse than my GT4 and better than my daily M4 comp from a damping point of view.
All my opinion only I’m afraid. I really rate this car on road and track, but I’m working my way up the ladder of GT cars, not coming from a RS or the previous GT3. 3000 miles in and still makes me grin ear to ear.
https://www.protuningfreaks.com
av185 said:
finmac said:
Anyone got an idea of likely order fulfilment for new GT3s next year please? My OPC is not at all hopeful of much if any at all coming through.
They are right.As previously posted early allocations should be known late this year but most reckon there will be very few cars.
CloudStuff said:
Mankers said:
CloudStuff said:
Head will probably win.
Link states no longer available……obvs someone couldn’t resist!No apologies for being tempted by such a car though!
The market would appear to be at225k.
Already in the £220s, sub £200k coming real soon
shoaib said:
CloudStuff said:
Mankers said:
CloudStuff said:
Head will probably win.
Link states no longer available……obvs someone couldn’t resist!No apologies for being tempted by such a car though!
The market would appear to be at225k.
Already in the £220s, sub £200k coming real soon
finmac said:
av185 said:
finmac said:
Anyone got an idea of likely order fulfilment for new GT3s next year please? My OPC is not at all hopeful of much if any at all coming through.
They are right.As previously posted early allocations should be known late this year but most reckon there will be very few cars.
av185 said:
Romans have a couple more with low miles at £245k and £250k.
As previously stated the 991.2 GT3 RS second gen at £225k will clearly support prices of 992 GT3 at this level and above for the forseeable future especially having regard to the low numbers.
Even those will be back to £200k ish, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 992 GT3 lower priced than a rs weissach. As previously stated the 991.2 GT3 RS second gen at £225k will clearly support prices of 992 GT3 at this level and above for the forseeable future especially having regard to the low numbers.
These prices will not hold, winters coming and as always they take a hit inline with supply and demand.
£200k before the new year in my opinion.
finmac said:
Ran an M4 as a daily for a few years, great car at every level. I was always put off remapping as the specialist guy close to me always seemed to have a steady stream of early M4/3 in with blown engines - almost always a car that had been mapped and was putting out big power. I suppose there’s mapping and there’s mapping mind you!
Yes, great cars to run. I bought one of the first F80 and it was very wayward until it was called in and a software update put into it, they made the torque more linear and updated the dampers.There were a few of the early cars that had probs with a spun crank hub bolt, later cars had that changed and seemed to stop it. Of course, then the aftermarket guys were making bolts that they said wouldn't spin and put quite a bit of unease into the market, was a quick 2k to them for thinking you had peace of mind.
Melvynr said:
Not at all no, but proper reviews would and do help as I know my favourite roads and anything stiffer could put me off. I would daily mine without a problem as it doesn't tramline at speed, will the 992 with the bigger rear wheel and extra rubber? Am sure I am not on my own wanting to see road reviews as the GT3 is meant to be the sweet spot with the RS being the track car.
He you go mate, this seems a pretty good road review from a experienced guy, taken from Rennlist Alright I am going to give it a shot and get everything swimming around in my head about the 992 GT3 out and on paper. As background, I had 9 991 GT cars – every version there was in both manual and PDK. This is a long read but I’m brain dumping here… My car has over 1000 miles on it now after a break in session, a weekend in the mountains with Smokies GT and another long drive with my son
My spec - Python Green with PCCB, Buckets and PDK, crappy Pirelli tires that ended up not being as crappy as I expected. I do believe that on a track they will start to struggle as at higher cornering speeds they feel a little weak. They do however communicate well and have a great progressiveness to their traction - letting you know when they are approaching the limit. This is in both feel and sound. I'll get through this set of tires and go to the cup 2 which is a tire I know well and will improve this car. The pirelli to me felt like a good street tire, not a track tire - I compare it more closely to a PS4S, not a cup 2. The rest of the build doesn't matter - no one really cares I have the little projectors that say "porsche" on the concrete.
The short story - This is a car that has GT3 ride comfort and RS grip, the sound is fabulous and everywhere you look things are improved. The interior is next level and feels like something you’d find in a true exotic. In person it has the aggressiveness of a 991.2 RS and the pictures do nothing to capture the depth of the details. The car is special - it has a confident air about it that feels like it owns the room.
The long story…
It has been a whirlwind week taking delivery of my car, getting it PPF’d, and then taking it to the mountains to let it eat on some proper roads, all while making sure I was good to the motor in it’s early miles. I picked the car up from PPF on Friday morning and went up GA 400 towards blood mountain. Prior to this, I had driven the car about 15 miles and was very impressed. Immediately on the highway I noticed a few things – 1 the car is very solid, carved from a single hunk of metal it seemed. Initially it was a bit darty on the highway, so much so that I became concerned. Later in the weekend I lowered the pressures down to 36 rear and 33 front hot, and the tramlining and darty behavior disappeared.
As I rolled towards blood mountain I was able to take a few back roads and start to explore the car a little. I remember being a little surprised at how incredibly composed the car is as the speeds picked up. I believe this is partly due to aero, but more so, the new front suspension was starting to show itself. I continued at a modest pace, not pushing the car too far and continued to just kind of learn. About 30 minutes later I got to blood mountain, which is a mountain with heavily banked corners and 2 lanes going uphill to allow for passing and liberal space to find the right lines. It is a very fast road and an absolute joy to drive. Still not hammering it the high RPM ranges I was still able to carry quite a bit of speed up the hill and I just got that feeling – when you connect with a car and you know it’s now yours. I was so overwhelmed with the cyclone of activity to get the car ready for the Smokies GT fall event I hadn’t really connected with it. Blood mountain was unbelievable. Even going easy on the engine, the car felt alive and connected.
I have a ton of experience driving Blood Mountain road in many GT cars. I ran it many times in my 991.2 GT3RS, and I’ll make a comparison here… Mechanical grip seems very similar, both with levels of grip on a highly banked road that you cant approach the limit. Sound – at speed, the 991.2RS is better, but only slightly. It has a throatier and more savage sound vs. the 992. The 992 has a bit more intake noise and it still sounds very much like a GT3. It gets loud in the cabin – it just has a bit of refinement that I wasn’t used to. Don’t take this as “the sound sucks” . The sound is actually amazing, loud and angry. Climbing over blood mountain and headed down the other side, the supsension really started to shine – the road down is a bit dippy and choppy and there are cracks and gouges that you definitely feel in a GT car. I could not believe how the car was eating these imperfections. This is fundamentally the thing that sets this car above all of the 991’s – it’s ability to just devour a road imperfection and never blink. Off camber, on camber, uphill, downhill. It doesn’t matter, the car just laughs at the imperfections and dips and just never bounces or rebounds uncontrollaly. It is quite a bit better than any of the 991’s. My 991.2 RS was violent at times on road. Bone jarring. The 992 is almost always composed. Here we see that we get the comfort levels of the GT3, with the stiffness and grip of the RS. How they did it is beyond me.
- Note that this level of composure comes at no cost to driving joy – that feel is intense, the grip is great, the engine sounds good, and you begin to realize it would be so hard to get this car to get out of sorts. In inspires a level of confidence I’ve never felt in a road car. I felt that the car would handle whatever I threw at it - and as the miles climbed I was throwing a lot at it!
I decided to hit some divided highways in Mexico on my way to Franklin North Carolina to meet the crew. There was a stretch where I was alone, my radar detector was quiet and I could let her run. At high speeds (100+) the car has very bad buffeting. As the speeds increase it becomes almost unbearable. At 130, I feel it in my chest… it’s the first wart I discover on the car. I do believe the aftermarket will solve this issue, but it is, at least to me, far worse than the 991 cars.
The rest of the weekend was spent on every road you could imagine – sweepers, technical roads with imperfect surfaces, amazingly well paved tight roads… some great opportunities for sure. Here’s an interesting one – we ran a well know road (at least to the Smokies group) and the 991 cars scraped their splitters 3-4 times each, some significantly. The 992 did not scrape once. Ground clearance is almost identical but there was never a point where I clenched my jaw and waited for the scrape… On this road, we were ripping, and the 991 drivers discussed how difficult it was to keep up with the 992. They mentioned how jarring the ride was. Myself and my passenger both agreed the ride was glassy smooth, just as fun as a 991 RS, but when the 991’s were rebounding and trying to recover, the 992 just ate the bumps and dips, glued to the road, giving the driver (Me!) the best road feel and GT experience I can remember. It was never getting out of sorts and unsettled. It really is a massive difference vs. anything I’ve ever experience and it is better in every way- feel, fun, confidence and ride quality.
I gave 10 or so Smokies members hot rides on the Cherohala skyway and the comments were 100% positive. All of the passengers had spent the day in a 991, so they could feel the huge difference of the suspension and the refinement. Not one complained that it was “too refined”, “no longer raw”, etc. They all said it was obviously a GT3 and most couldn’t believe how much better the car felt.
So that is the story of the weekend, and here are my comparisons to the 991 GT cars I had – my 2RS excluded as it is a different animal altogether.
Front end Grip-
Overall , it has the best front end grip of any 991 GT car I’ve driven. The 991.2 RS is close, but I still feel the the 992 is superior. And it does it with a much more compliant ride quality and narrower tires. The new suspension is legit!!
Engine Sound –
992 is much more refined at idle mechanical and flywheel chatter is no longer heard– more intake noise at speed, deeper and very loud in the cabin ( in a good way) but not as throaty and savage as the 991.2 motors. The car sounds very good at idle and especially at speed. I am loving the sound, and engine sound is one of the most important things for me when I am critiquing a car
Interior –
Game over- 992 wins by a mile– the gauges are exotic car level, clear, crisp, with shift lights and track modes and all kinds of beautiful information. Dash, trim, seat fabric, ambient light door projectors, etc. It’s really a big deal how much better the interior is. The shift knob is proper – it feels meaty, substantial and begs to be used for shifting while driving. It is tactile and bolt action like. I love it.
As a daily driver–
992 every time - all of the electronics and creature comforts in concert with the new suspension make it a very good candidate for having fun on the way to work. It is the best street GT car I’ve driven, but what separates it is that it is more driveable, with better performance. win win…. The rear wing is visible in the rear but it does not block the rear view almost entirely like the 991 GT3 did.
On the track -
This car on the track will be so exciting. The confidence brought forth by the unwavering suspension, the RS level grip, and reprogrammed rear axle will make this thing totally insane on the track. It may be equal to the 991.2 RS in lap time, but it will get there more confidently, gracefully. I feel like many of the modifications done to the 991.2 RS (spring rates and downforce trickery) were bandaids for a front end that just couldn’t compete with the rest of the car. ]My 991.2 GT3 definitely needed more front end. I now feel that the front end is worthy - it is more capable than ever, in harmony with the rest of the machine, and inspires a confidence that I don’t recall in the other cars.
Steering -
Moderately or incrementally better, if only slightly vs. the .2 cars. It is very good, but so were they all.
Brakes
We had the car next to a 991.2 and noticed the front calipers had been rotated about 30 degrees counterclockwise vs. the 991s. Something is different with the brakes - they feel stronger and more confident. I was able to achieve 1.4 g’s in braking which is pretty ridiculous. I assume the ABS programming is better but there must be something else.
Launch control -
The 992 launch control is reporgrammed, it sounds different and shifts differently vs the 991 cars and my god it feels fast.
Comments from passengers (all of which have a lot of 991 GT seat time)-
“Totally different car”, “The transmission is so smooth and fast the car is never upset”, “Cannot believe how composed the car is”, “I can feel the grip improvements from the passenger seat”, “Slow the F*&k down”, “Are you selling yet?”, “Can you get me an allocation?”
Any of us fortunate enough to have one of these on the way should thank their lucky stars. It's hard to imagine anyone being disappointed in this car.
peeler said:
He you go mate, this seems a pretty good road review from a experienced guy, taken from Rennlist
Alright I am going to give it a shot and get everything swimming around in my head about the 992 GT3 out and on paper. As background, I had 9 991 GT cars – every version there was in both manual and PDK. This is a long read but I’m brain dumping here… My car has over 1000 miles on it now after a break in session, a weekend in the mountains with Smokies GT and another long drive with my son
My spec - Python Green with PCCB, Buckets and PDK, crappy Pirelli tires that ended up not being as crappy as I expected. I do believe that on a track they will start to struggle as at higher cornering speeds they feel a little weak. They do however communicate well and have a great progressiveness to their traction - letting you know when they are approaching the limit. This is in both feel and sound. I'll get through this set of tires and go to the cup 2 which is a tire I know well and will improve this car. The pirelli to me felt like a good street tire, not a track tire - I compare it more closely to a PS4S, not a cup 2. The rest of the build doesn't matter - no one really cares I have the little projectors that say "porsche" on the concrete.
The short story - This is a car that has GT3 ride comfort and RS grip, the sound is fabulous and everywhere you look things are improved. The interior is next level and feels like something you’d find in a true exotic. In person it has the aggressiveness of a 991.2 RS and the pictures do nothing to capture the depth of the details. The car is special - it has a confident air about it that feels like it owns the room.
The long story…
It has been a whirlwind week taking delivery of my car, getting it PPF’d, and then taking it to the mountains to let it eat on some proper roads, all while making sure I was good to the motor in it’s early miles. I picked the car up from PPF on Friday morning and went up GA 400 towards blood mountain. Prior to this, I had driven the car about 15 miles and was very impressed. Immediately on the highway I noticed a few things – 1 the car is very solid, carved from a single hunk of metal it seemed. Initially it was a bit darty on the highway, so much so that I became concerned. Later in the weekend I lowered the pressures down to 36 rear and 33 front hot, and the tramlining and darty behavior disappeared.
As I rolled towards blood mountain I was able to take a few back roads and start to explore the car a little. I remember being a little surprised at how incredibly composed the car is as the speeds picked up. I believe this is partly due to aero, but more so, the new front suspension was starting to show itself. I continued at a modest pace, not pushing the car too far and continued to just kind of learn. About 30 minutes later I got to blood mountain, which is a mountain with heavily banked corners and 2 lanes going uphill to allow for passing and liberal space to find the right lines. It is a very fast road and an absolute joy to drive. Still not hammering it the high RPM ranges I was still able to carry quite a bit of speed up the hill and I just got that feeling – when you connect with a car and you know it’s now yours. I was so overwhelmed with the cyclone of activity to get the car ready for the Smokies GT fall event I hadn’t really connected with it. Blood mountain was unbelievable. Even going easy on the engine, the car felt alive and connected.
I have a ton of experience driving Blood Mountain road in many GT cars. I ran it many times in my 991.2 GT3RS, and I’ll make a comparison here… Mechanical grip seems very similar, both with levels of grip on a highly banked road that you cant approach the limit. Sound – at speed, the 991.2RS is better, but only slightly. It has a throatier and more savage sound vs. the 992. The 992 has a bit more intake noise and it still sounds very much like a GT3. It gets loud in the cabin – it just has a bit of refinement that I wasn’t used to. Don’t take this as “the sound sucks” . The sound is actually amazing, loud and angry. Climbing over blood mountain and headed down the other side, the supsension really started to shine – the road down is a bit dippy and choppy and there are cracks and gouges that you definitely feel in a GT car. I could not believe how the car was eating these imperfections. This is fundamentally the thing that sets this car above all of the 991’s – it’s ability to just devour a road imperfection and never blink. Off camber, on camber, uphill, downhill. It doesn’t matter, the car just laughs at the imperfections and dips and just never bounces or rebounds uncontrollaly. It is quite a bit better than any of the 991’s. My 991.2 RS was violent at times on road. Bone jarring. The 992 is almost always composed. Here we see that we get the comfort levels of the GT3, with the stiffness and grip of the RS. How they did it is beyond me.
I decided to hit some divided highways in Mexico on my way to Franklin North Carolina to meet the crew. There was a stretch where I was alone, my radar detector was quiet and I could let her run. At high speeds (100+) the car has very bad buffeting. As the speeds increase it becomes almost unbearable. At 130, I feel it in my chest… it’s the first wart I discover on the car. I do believe the aftermarket will solve this issue, but it is, at least to me, far worse than the 991 cars.
The rest of the weekend was spent on every road you could imagine – sweepers, technical roads with imperfect surfaces, amazingly well paved tight roads… some great opportunities for sure. Here’s an interesting one – we ran a well know road (at least to the Smokies group) and the 991 cars scraped their splitters 3-4 times each, some significantly. The 992 did not scrape once. Ground clearance is almost identical but there was never a point where I clenched my jaw and waited for the scrape… On this road, we were ripping, and the 991 drivers discussed how difficult it was to keep up with the 992. They mentioned how jarring the ride was. Myself and my passenger both agreed the ride was glassy smooth, just as fun as a 991 RS, but when the 991’s were rebounding and trying to recover, the 992 just ate the bumps and dips, glued to the road, giving the driver (Me!) the best road feel and GT experience I can remember. It was never getting out of sorts and unsettled. It really is a massive difference vs. anything I’ve ever experience and it is better in every way- feel, fun, confidence and ride quality.
I gave 10 or so Smokies members hot rides on the Cherohala skyway and the comments were 100% positive. All of the passengers had spent the day in a 991, so they could feel the huge difference of the suspension and the refinement. Not one complained that it was “too refined”, “no longer raw”, etc. They all said it was obviously a GT3 and most couldn’t believe how much better the car felt.
So that is the story of the weekend, and here are my comparisons to the 991 GT cars I had – my 2RS excluded as it is a different animal altogether.
Front end Grip-
Overall , it has the best front end grip of any 991 GT car I’ve driven. The 991.2 RS is close, but I still feel the the 992 is superior. And it does it with a much more compliant ride quality and narrower tires. The new suspension is legit!!
Engine Sound –
992 is much more refined at idle mechanical and flywheel chatter is no longer heard– more intake noise at speed, deeper and very loud in the cabin ( in a good way) but not as throaty and savage as the 991.2 motors. The car sounds very good at idle and especially at speed. I am loving the sound, and engine sound is one of the most important things for me when I am critiquing a car
Interior –
Game over- 992 wins by a mile– the gauges are exotic car level, clear, crisp, with shift lights and track modes and all kinds of beautiful information. Dash, trim, seat fabric, ambient light door projectors, etc. It’s really a big deal how much better the interior is. The shift knob is proper – it feels meaty, substantial and begs to be used for shifting while driving. It is tactile and bolt action like. I love it.
As a daily driver–
992 every time - all of the electronics and creature comforts in concert with the new suspension make it a very good candidate for having fun on the way to work. It is the best street GT car I’ve driven, but what separates it is that it is more driveable, with better performance. win win…. The rear wing is visible in the rear but it does not block the rear view almost entirely like the 991 GT3 did.
On the track -
This car on the track will be so exciting. The confidence brought forth by the unwavering suspension, the RS level grip, and reprogrammed rear axle will make this thing totally insane on the track. It may be equal to the 991.2 RS in lap time, but it will get there more confidently, gracefully. I feel like many of the modifications done to the 991.2 RS (spring rates and downforce trickery) were bandaids for a front end that just couldn’t compete with the rest of the car. ]My 991.2 GT3 definitely needed more front end. I now feel that the front end is worthy - it is more capable than ever, in harmony with the rest of the machine, and inspires a confidence that I don’t recall in the other cars.
Steering -
Moderately or incrementally better, if only slightly vs. the .2 cars. It is very good, but so were they all.
Brakes
We had the car next to a 991.2 and noticed the front calipers had been rotated about 30 degrees counterclockwise vs. the 991s. Something is different with the brakes - they feel stronger and more confident. I was able to achieve 1.4 g’s in braking which is pretty ridiculous. I assume the ABS programming is better but there must be something else.
Launch control -
The 992 launch control is reporgrammed, it sounds different and shifts differently vs the 991 cars and my god it feels fast.
Comments from passengers (all of which have a lot of 991 GT seat time)-
“Totally different car”, “The transmission is so smooth and fast the car is never upset”, “Cannot believe how composed the car is”, “I can feel the grip improvements from the passenger seat”, “Slow the F*&k down”, “Are you selling yet?”, “Can you get me an allocation?”
Any of us fortunate enough to have one of these on the way should thank their lucky stars. It's hard to imagine anyone being disappointed in this car.
Oh to have roads like them in the UK, better than most tracks that I've seen . Wonder what he would make of the Ginger Hall to RamseyAlright I am going to give it a shot and get everything swimming around in my head about the 992 GT3 out and on paper. As background, I had 9 991 GT cars – every version there was in both manual and PDK. This is a long read but I’m brain dumping here… My car has over 1000 miles on it now after a break in session, a weekend in the mountains with Smokies GT and another long drive with my son
My spec - Python Green with PCCB, Buckets and PDK, crappy Pirelli tires that ended up not being as crappy as I expected. I do believe that on a track they will start to struggle as at higher cornering speeds they feel a little weak. They do however communicate well and have a great progressiveness to their traction - letting you know when they are approaching the limit. This is in both feel and sound. I'll get through this set of tires and go to the cup 2 which is a tire I know well and will improve this car. The pirelli to me felt like a good street tire, not a track tire - I compare it more closely to a PS4S, not a cup 2. The rest of the build doesn't matter - no one really cares I have the little projectors that say "porsche" on the concrete.
The short story - This is a car that has GT3 ride comfort and RS grip, the sound is fabulous and everywhere you look things are improved. The interior is next level and feels like something you’d find in a true exotic. In person it has the aggressiveness of a 991.2 RS and the pictures do nothing to capture the depth of the details. The car is special - it has a confident air about it that feels like it owns the room.
The long story…
It has been a whirlwind week taking delivery of my car, getting it PPF’d, and then taking it to the mountains to let it eat on some proper roads, all while making sure I was good to the motor in it’s early miles. I picked the car up from PPF on Friday morning and went up GA 400 towards blood mountain. Prior to this, I had driven the car about 15 miles and was very impressed. Immediately on the highway I noticed a few things – 1 the car is very solid, carved from a single hunk of metal it seemed. Initially it was a bit darty on the highway, so much so that I became concerned. Later in the weekend I lowered the pressures down to 36 rear and 33 front hot, and the tramlining and darty behavior disappeared.
As I rolled towards blood mountain I was able to take a few back roads and start to explore the car a little. I remember being a little surprised at how incredibly composed the car is as the speeds picked up. I believe this is partly due to aero, but more so, the new front suspension was starting to show itself. I continued at a modest pace, not pushing the car too far and continued to just kind of learn. About 30 minutes later I got to blood mountain, which is a mountain with heavily banked corners and 2 lanes going uphill to allow for passing and liberal space to find the right lines. It is a very fast road and an absolute joy to drive. Still not hammering it the high RPM ranges I was still able to carry quite a bit of speed up the hill and I just got that feeling – when you connect with a car and you know it’s now yours. I was so overwhelmed with the cyclone of activity to get the car ready for the Smokies GT fall event I hadn’t really connected with it. Blood mountain was unbelievable. Even going easy on the engine, the car felt alive and connected.
I have a ton of experience driving Blood Mountain road in many GT cars. I ran it many times in my 991.2 GT3RS, and I’ll make a comparison here… Mechanical grip seems very similar, both with levels of grip on a highly banked road that you cant approach the limit. Sound – at speed, the 991.2RS is better, but only slightly. It has a throatier and more savage sound vs. the 992. The 992 has a bit more intake noise and it still sounds very much like a GT3. It gets loud in the cabin – it just has a bit of refinement that I wasn’t used to. Don’t take this as “the sound sucks” . The sound is actually amazing, loud and angry. Climbing over blood mountain and headed down the other side, the supsension really started to shine – the road down is a bit dippy and choppy and there are cracks and gouges that you definitely feel in a GT car. I could not believe how the car was eating these imperfections. This is fundamentally the thing that sets this car above all of the 991’s – it’s ability to just devour a road imperfection and never blink. Off camber, on camber, uphill, downhill. It doesn’t matter, the car just laughs at the imperfections and dips and just never bounces or rebounds uncontrollaly. It is quite a bit better than any of the 991’s. My 991.2 RS was violent at times on road. Bone jarring. The 992 is almost always composed. Here we see that we get the comfort levels of the GT3, with the stiffness and grip of the RS. How they did it is beyond me.
- Note that this level of composure comes at no cost to driving joy – that feel is intense, the grip is great, the engine sounds good, and you begin to realize it would be so hard to get this car to get out of sorts. In inspires a level of confidence I’ve never felt in a road car. I felt that the car would handle whatever I threw at it - and as the miles climbed I was throwing a lot at it!
I decided to hit some divided highways in Mexico on my way to Franklin North Carolina to meet the crew. There was a stretch where I was alone, my radar detector was quiet and I could let her run. At high speeds (100+) the car has very bad buffeting. As the speeds increase it becomes almost unbearable. At 130, I feel it in my chest… it’s the first wart I discover on the car. I do believe the aftermarket will solve this issue, but it is, at least to me, far worse than the 991 cars.
The rest of the weekend was spent on every road you could imagine – sweepers, technical roads with imperfect surfaces, amazingly well paved tight roads… some great opportunities for sure. Here’s an interesting one – we ran a well know road (at least to the Smokies group) and the 991 cars scraped their splitters 3-4 times each, some significantly. The 992 did not scrape once. Ground clearance is almost identical but there was never a point where I clenched my jaw and waited for the scrape… On this road, we were ripping, and the 991 drivers discussed how difficult it was to keep up with the 992. They mentioned how jarring the ride was. Myself and my passenger both agreed the ride was glassy smooth, just as fun as a 991 RS, but when the 991’s were rebounding and trying to recover, the 992 just ate the bumps and dips, glued to the road, giving the driver (Me!) the best road feel and GT experience I can remember. It was never getting out of sorts and unsettled. It really is a massive difference vs. anything I’ve ever experience and it is better in every way- feel, fun, confidence and ride quality.
I gave 10 or so Smokies members hot rides on the Cherohala skyway and the comments were 100% positive. All of the passengers had spent the day in a 991, so they could feel the huge difference of the suspension and the refinement. Not one complained that it was “too refined”, “no longer raw”, etc. They all said it was obviously a GT3 and most couldn’t believe how much better the car felt.
So that is the story of the weekend, and here are my comparisons to the 991 GT cars I had – my 2RS excluded as it is a different animal altogether.
Front end Grip-
Overall , it has the best front end grip of any 991 GT car I’ve driven. The 991.2 RS is close, but I still feel the the 992 is superior. And it does it with a much more compliant ride quality and narrower tires. The new suspension is legit!!
Engine Sound –
992 is much more refined at idle mechanical and flywheel chatter is no longer heard– more intake noise at speed, deeper and very loud in the cabin ( in a good way) but not as throaty and savage as the 991.2 motors. The car sounds very good at idle and especially at speed. I am loving the sound, and engine sound is one of the most important things for me when I am critiquing a car
Interior –
Game over- 992 wins by a mile– the gauges are exotic car level, clear, crisp, with shift lights and track modes and all kinds of beautiful information. Dash, trim, seat fabric, ambient light door projectors, etc. It’s really a big deal how much better the interior is. The shift knob is proper – it feels meaty, substantial and begs to be used for shifting while driving. It is tactile and bolt action like. I love it.
As a daily driver–
992 every time - all of the electronics and creature comforts in concert with the new suspension make it a very good candidate for having fun on the way to work. It is the best street GT car I’ve driven, but what separates it is that it is more driveable, with better performance. win win…. The rear wing is visible in the rear but it does not block the rear view almost entirely like the 991 GT3 did.
On the track -
This car on the track will be so exciting. The confidence brought forth by the unwavering suspension, the RS level grip, and reprogrammed rear axle will make this thing totally insane on the track. It may be equal to the 991.2 RS in lap time, but it will get there more confidently, gracefully. I feel like many of the modifications done to the 991.2 RS (spring rates and downforce trickery) were bandaids for a front end that just couldn’t compete with the rest of the car. ]My 991.2 GT3 definitely needed more front end. I now feel that the front end is worthy - it is more capable than ever, in harmony with the rest of the machine, and inspires a confidence that I don’t recall in the other cars.
Steering -
Moderately or incrementally better, if only slightly vs. the .2 cars. It is very good, but so were they all.
Brakes
We had the car next to a 991.2 and noticed the front calipers had been rotated about 30 degrees counterclockwise vs. the 991s. Something is different with the brakes - they feel stronger and more confident. I was able to achieve 1.4 g’s in braking which is pretty ridiculous. I assume the ABS programming is better but there must be something else.
Launch control -
The 992 launch control is reporgrammed, it sounds different and shifts differently vs the 991 cars and my god it feels fast.
Comments from passengers (all of which have a lot of 991 GT seat time)-
“Totally different car”, “The transmission is so smooth and fast the car is never upset”, “Cannot believe how composed the car is”, “I can feel the grip improvements from the passenger seat”, “Slow the F*&k down”, “Are you selling yet?”, “Can you get me an allocation?”
Any of us fortunate enough to have one of these on the way should thank their lucky stars. It's hard to imagine anyone being disappointed in this car.
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What is he on about here, what aftermarket part ?
I decided to hit some divided highways in Mexico on my way to Franklin North Carolina to meet the crew. There was a stretch where I was alone, my radar detector was quiet and I could let her run. At high speeds (100+) the car has very bad buffeting. As the speeds increase it becomes almost unbearable. At 130, I feel it in my chest… it’s the first wart I discover on the car. I do believe the aftermarket will solve this issue, but it is, at least to me, far worse than the 991 cars.
Edited by Melvynr on Wednesday 6th October 16:48
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