The Porsche GT allocation system...a good video view

[ChrisW.]

F6C said:

With respect, my point wasn't that buying a car 'blind' is inherently a bad thing. My point is that if you're getting tied up in the allocations circus, buying umpteen cooking Porsches and micromanaging your relationship with an OPC DP, all for a car you have never driven, it's all getting rather detached from the notion of driving cars.

There are a lot of very good cars out there that can be easily bought and it's pretty hard to argue that if what you're mainly interested in is the drive rather than having the latest thing for its own sake then it absolutely has to be a car that you have never driven. That's very different from being willing to take a bit of a punt through an informed decision about a car you think you'd like to drive and buying it without having done so.

With respect, there are people on here who have supported Porsche for many years and have a very non-financial reason for ordering the latest of whatever version of the market category to which they have nailed their flag.

Yes there re plenty of other cars and they will decide whether or not to follow another line.

But they feel betrayed ... their loyalty has been thrown away ...

Maybe in this World it was worth nothing, but it cost them a lot to give ... of themselves and who they feel they are.

Porsche waste this at THEIR cost. IMHO.

For me ... I am going with Toyota and their new GR Yaris. Go figure.

This is an authentic car that by your logic should never have existed. They have re-created a market that was de-passe ...gone.

Respect.

Porsche are now a faceless corporation. ( Maybe even a fraudulent one given their proximity to the emissions scandal).

Yes they do build great cars, but I would never prostitute myself to buy one.

[992_GT3]

LordOfTheManor said:

You made sure that you got 992_gt3 quick enough You might be a person who always gets what he wants, and that's fab for you too

I’ve no idea if I’ll get a 992 GT3 or not. What is certain is that whether I do or not, it will be nothing to do with some of the claims you’ve made on here.

LordOfTheManor said:

But please stalk someone else has my other half is starting to feel a little jealous of the time you spend talking to me

Not stalking, just commenting on the claims in your posts, which seem to be totally at odds with a lot of peoples’ direct experience. It’s sort of how forums work.

[LordOfTheManor]

[F6C]

ChrisW. said:

With respect, there are people on here who have supported Porsche for many years and have a very non-financial reason for ordering the latest of whatever version of the market category to which they have nailed their flag.

Yes there re plenty of other cars and they will decide whether or not to follow another line.

But they feel betrayed ... their loyalty has been thrown away ...

Maybe in this World it was worth nothing, but it cost them a lot to give ... of themselves and who they feel they are.

Porsche waste this at THEIR cost. IMHO.

For me ... I am going with Toyota and their new GR Yaris. Go figure.

This is an authentic car that by your logic should never have existed. They have re-created a market that was de-passe ...gone.

Respect.

Porsche are now a faceless corporation. ( Maybe even a fraudulent one given their proximity to the emissions scandal).

Yes they do build great cars, but I would never prostitute myself to buy one.

Betrayal, loyalty...afraid this again smacks of commercial relationships being confused with personal ones. We’re talking about car dealers and people feel betrayed when money takes priority? Since when did anybody sensible think buying cars from big dealerships was about loyalty and ethics?

As for all this coming at a cost to Porsche, seems pretty implausible on several levels. Firstly, there will be at least as much upside from the allocation circus in terms of it making Porsche seem uber desirable. And in any case it’s not a boutique outfit. It will live or die on the basis of whether it can transition to selling hundreds of thousands EVs every year. A few hundred or even a few thousand UK punters with nose out of joint? Will count for little in the context of hundreds of thousands of EVs finding homes courtesy of monthly payments.

Once again, Apple is a good reference point. Gets up to all kinds of anti-customer antics. And yet they come back for more in their hundreds of millions. If the next electric Macan hits the spot, this GT circus will surely be of no consequence.

My very long and dull post in a nutshell: your car dealer is not your mate.

[Turbo cab]

LordOfTheManor said:

A word to sum up the OPC service you receive when asking for a GT car is

"condescending" meaning - having or showing an attitude of patronizing superiority over the customer who's paying for the car

Your not using Hatfield as well are you

They have been my local OPC for over fifteen years, I even remember there old location however, I would rather pay to have my car transported 2 hours away than ever use them again for anything. Total fkwits from sales to service.

[WojaWabbit]

LordOfTheManor said:

WojaWabbit said:

A former insider's view, Ed Lovett discussing GT allocations and Porsche customer service with a guy who cried about not getting a phone call from his OPC to ask "You OK hun?"...

https://youtu.be/CbA_V2s2gyA

You pick on us ALL with comments like this, how many times have you had a deposit returned to you instead of the product, it's not nice, A few times
How many phone calls, emails have you been promised that never arrived. Many
How much money have you thrown at dealerships over the years, Not enough to warrant a GT Porsche allocation
I can go on and on but don't want to bore you.

When you've worked hard all your life, you simply want to be treated fairly, "treat others they say, as you would want to be treated"

Most OPC don't have a understanding of this

Did you watch the video and look into the interviewee? He has a youtube channel of his own and posted a video a few weeks ago of him complaining that his old salesman had left his OPC and the new guy had the audacity to not bother phoning to introduce himself!!! Can you imagine, the horror! He came across as a spoiled brat in his own video and didn't really make up for it much in this interview.

Interesting that Lovett thinks the GT allocation needs to be addressed but also admits that the way they can do so fairly, in the OPC's eyes, is to do it by the number of cars bought/sold back. As long as Porsche stay hands-off from the OPCs and don't build enough cars to satisfy demand then the problem will persist.

[WojaWabbit]

F6C said:

Think possibly some unrealistic expectations implied.

We're talking about luxury vendors / markets / goods / whatever and their clientele. And in this case, er, car dealers. You know...car dealers! Without wishing to be unkind, being in any way surprised that a car dealer falls short of some or other high moral standard is surely unrealistic if not naive.

Broadly, what we're talking about is the pursuit of a luxury good of zero consequence. A certain culture surrounding the market for and acquisition of such goods is implied. Image. Status. Brand management. Manufacturing demand. Artificial scarcity. A lot of the negatives being discussed are essentially the inevitable flip sides / consequences of the market for a luxury good where demand is driven by a perception of status / image / scarcity and so on.

If GT cars were easy to buy and depreciated after purchase, as they used to, hardly anyone would one...as they used to! Think it's likely fair to say the number of enthusiasts who want a GT car as something primarily to drive rather than as a pseudo investment or status trophy hasn't changed much. In the early days of GT cars, they had a hard time selling a far fewer number of cars to a customer base that was roughly of that ilk.

Now they build far more and have queues round the block of people competing to buy a car they've never driven. I personally find it hard to believe there's suddenly a huge glut of driving enthusiasts competing for these cars.

So, it's a little hard to be entirely sympathetic to any perceived grievances in that context. If you're getting involved in the race to put deposits down on a car you've never driven (inherent with any new GT car of late which is always sold out before launch), you're already part of the 'problem'. There's a huge wealth of choice out there if you can afford a new GT car, including paying overs - and from what I can tell, most people are paying extra one way or another, whether it's overs or by virtue of buying a load of cooking models they wouldn't otherwise have touched.

Much more edifying to grab something else, a 997 GT car, give a V10 R8 a go, grab a manual 991 Touring, something older maybe, whatever, get on with enjoying it and let the circus do its thing, no? So many great cars to try without having to get involved in the status rush. Think it would be liberating for those caught up in the circus and feeling hard done by to let go and leave the bun fight to those more committed to the acquisition of a luxury good. If it really has to be a car you've never driven, well, seems to me that by definition it can't really be about the drive, can it? It's about something else, something probably rather less healthy.

Well said.

You won't do too well around here, you should consider being more insulting and act like your opinions are actually hard fact. A bit of bragging about your wealth never goes amiss either

[bigmowley]

F6C said:

Much more edifying to grab something else, a 997 GT car, give a V10 R8 a go, grab a manual 991 Touring, something older maybe, whatever, get on with enjoying it and let the circus do its thing, no? So many great cars to try without having to get involved in the status rush. Think it would be liberating for those caught up in the circus and feeling hard done by to let go and leave the bun fight to those more committed to the acquisition of a luxury good. If it really has to be a car you've never driven, well, seems to me that by definition it can't really be about the drive, can it? It's about something else, something probably rather less healthy.

100% this. I bought an R8 RWS when I got given the bums rush in the 991.2GT3 allocation bunfight.
Never looked back, love it, still got it, and the very best bit of all “it’s not a GT3” I’ve not even bothered entering the fray with the new one, no desire to own one., enjoy it as a spectator sport though.
Gratuitous pic, catch me if you can chaps

[ChrisW.]

F6C said:

Betrayal, loyalty...afraid this again smacks of commercial relationships being confused with personal ones. We’re talking about car dealers and people feel betrayed when money takes priority? Since when did anybody sensible think buying cars from big dealerships was about loyalty and ethics?

As for all this coming at a cost to Porsche, seems pretty implausible on several levels. Firstly, there will be at least as much upside from the allocation circus in terms of it making Porsche seem uber desirable. And in any case it’s not a boutique outfit. It will live or die on the basis of whether it can transition to selling hundreds of thousands EVs every year. A few hundred or even a few thousand UK punters with nose out of joint? Will count for little in the context of hundreds of thousands of EVs finding homes courtesy of monthly payments.

Once again, Apple is a good reference point. Gets up to all kinds of anti-customer antics. And yet they come back for more in their hundreds of millions. If the next electric Macan hits the spot, this GT circus will surely be of no consequence.

My very long and dull post in a nutshell: your car dealer is not your mate.

And I guess Porsche also is therefore not your mate.

Which renders clubs / ownership passion / tribe completely redundant ....

If this is the case, why do the manufacturers bother ?

If so, why would anybody choose to support their OPC in favour of their favourite independent ??

This is a very dangerous argument for Porsche ... which is the point I was making at the outset.

From what you say, I should not care.

[F6C]

ChrisW. said:

And I guess Porsche also is therefore not your mate.

Which renders clubs / ownership passion / tribe completely redundant ....

If this is the case, why do the manufacturers bother ?

If so, why would anybody choose to support their OPC in favour of their favourite independent ??

This is a very dangerous argument for Porsche ... which is the point I was making at the outset.

From what you say, I should not care.

One wouldn't have thought the fact that Porsche, a commercial entity and a subsidiary of a large multinational, is not your mate is terribly insightful, let alone controversial. It's entirely obvious, isn't it?

This says little about any shared interest or passion for a car and group of cars that people might express through clubs or other.

As for why people use OPCs, all kinds of reasons, isn't it? Status, access to new models, the perception that main agent history is superior, convenience and access to interesting courtesy cars, more salubrious surroundings and, cough, staff, and, yes, personal relationships. But, once again, I do not think it's terribly remarkable or controversial to point out that car dealers are hardly synonymous with putting ethics above commercial interests or that the person who treats you nicely because you buy a load of cars off them isn't actually your friend. Is it? Surely, it isn't?

As for any of this being terribly dangerous for Porsche, I don't see it myself. We die hard enthusiasts will love the cars whatever the allocation circus and the vast majority of punters don't get near any of this when ordering a Macan or whatever.

As I said above, it's far from clear that the allocation circus is net negative for Porsche. Similar practices take place in other luxury goods markets and it all adds to the mystique of the brand. All told, Porsche's multi-billion euro push into EVs will not, I'd argue, hinge of a few trophy hunters - or a few bona fide enthusiasts, if you prefer - having their noses put out of joint. And surely it's that - the success or failure of its move into electric cars, that will define success or failure for Porsche over the next, say, 20 years. Not anything to do with an allocation circus that happens to be a bit more acute and unseemly here in the UK. No?

[RDMcG]

F6C said:

One wouldn't have thought the fact that Porsche, a commercial entity and a subsidiary of a large multinational, is not your mate is terribly insightful, let alone controversial. It's entirely obvious, isn't it?

As for why people use OPCs, all kinds of reasons, isn't it? Status, access to new models, the perception that main agent history is superior, convenience and access to interesting courtesy cars, more salubrious surroundings and, cough, staff, and, yes, personal relationships. But, once again, I do not think it's terribly remarkable or controversial to point out that car dealers are hardly synonymous with putting ethics above commercial interests or that the person who treats you nicely because you buy a load of cars off them isn't actually your friend. Is it? Surely, it isn't?

As a business person I am completely clear that Porsche is a commercial entity, as are dealers.

I use my local OPC for everything.

Of course, the relationship is helpful at the sales level.

More importantly I have zero problems in getting a car serviced, no argument if there is a problem with a car beyond service, and I have had excellent experience with them over many years, compared to unbeleivably spotty service at BMW and utter crap at Mercedes, which resulted in my dumping those brands after years.

Service really matters. I have never had a loaner, don't drink the coffee and only rarely attend any events .

The really important things:

-Getting the car I want as specified including GT cars if required.
-factory delivery
-being able to get the car on my schedule, not theirs
-no arguments at service and five minute drop-off and collection.

It makes utter sense to do this. Certainly not for the coffee,loaners or decor. If I wanted that I would have a Lexus.

[ChrisW.]

F6C said:

ChrisW. said:

And I guess Porsche also is therefore not your mate.

Which renders clubs / ownership passion / tribe completely redundant ....

If this is the case, why do the manufacturers bother ?

If so, why would anybody choose to support their OPC in favour of their favourite independent ??

This is a very dangerous argument for Porsche ... which is the point I was making at the outset.

From what you say, I should not care.

One wouldn't have thought the fact that Porsche, a commercial entity and a subsidiary of a large multinational, is not your mate is terribly insightful, let alone controversial. It's entirely obvious, isn't it?

This says little about any shared interest or passion for a car and group of cars that people might express through clubs or other.

As for why people use OPCs, all kinds of reasons, isn't it? Status, access to new models, the perception that main agent history is superior, convenience and access to interesting courtesy cars, more salubrious surroundings and, cough, staff, and, yes, personal relationships. But, once again, I do not think it's terribly remarkable or controversial to point out that car dealers are hardly synonymous with putting ethics above commercial interests or that the person who treats you nicely because you buy a load of cars off them isn't actually your friend. Is it? Surely, it isn't?

As for any of this being terribly dangerous for Porsche, I don't see it myself. We die hard enthusiasts will love the cars whatever the allocation circus and the vast majority of punters don't get near any of this when ordering a Macan or whatever.

As I said above, it's far from clear that the allocation circus is net negative for Porsche. Similar practices take place in other luxury goods markets and it all adds to the mystique of the brand. All told, Porsche's multi-billion euro push into EVs will not, I'd argue, hinge of a few trophy hunters - or a few bona fide enthusiasts, if you prefer - having their noses put out of joint. And surely it's that - the success or failure of its move into electric cars, that will define success or failure for Porsche over the next, say, 20 years. Not anything to do with an allocation circus that happens to be a bit more acute and unseemly here in the UK. No?

I agree that the future is electric ... as for the cause and effect of their current allocation meritocracy ... let's see what happens

A good discussion !

[LordOfTheManor]

I'm thinking not everyone is rushing out to buy one

[Juno]

Cheib said:

ChrisW. said:

Part of the issue is that there are now a LOT of GT products in the market.

For new customers to buy new cars there needs to be a new customer to buy their old car ... and there is currently a lot of floating stock with a variety of dealers.

If Porsche succeed in alienating their historically loyal legacy customers sending them elsewhere, this reduces demand and diminishes their reputation and heritage.

If speculators do not see the profit they have paid for with the cars on which they have lost money to appease their OPC into releasing an allocation for a GT car, they will disappear even faster.

Customer loyalty is "money in the bank" for Porsche and their loyal legacy customers are worth the most.

Porsche should be very worried about this.

If not, they will receive their just deserts. The market is NEVER wrong.

Six months ago I might have agreed with you but right now on the AUC website there are 7 991.2 GT3's (600 plus in the UK)....and good one's are selling quickly. Roman's and RPM have both sold manual 991.2's very quickly in the last week. For whatever reason when manufacturers like Ferrari have a glut of cars on the market there are very few GT3's for sale.

I think Porsche will make a lot of 992 GT3's and they will all find home's very easily. Even if the market normalises to an extent and say a GT3 becomes a £15k a year depreciating car people will still be banging the doors down because it is still very cheap motoring for what you are getting.

Ferrari upped volumes and increased prices quite markedly at the same time (and buyers slapped ludicrous amounts of options on them)....to do both was greedy and it's fked their market. If Porsche up prices 10% they can probably increase volumes by 15% and not impact things too badly. Cars will probably be list within six to nine months but that's healthy.

For the reasons you have just cited the above video is the BIGGEST pile of Dog Poo EM has ever recorded,absolute rubbish IMO

[F6C]

If anyone wants a video with actually pertinent information about the allocation process, I'd suggest this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZF32ZtbMV8

Can't vouch for the accuracy, but it seems plausible.

Precis
An OPC quizzed on the status of 992 GT3 allocations a couple of days after launch said:
- They had about 120 people who wanted cars at that point
- They thought they would get 15 cars over two years
- They whittled their list down to 30 people

No 1 in that list had spent £1 million with them since the beginning of 2020
No 30 in that list had spent roughly £3-400,000 with them in the last two years

Personally think the allocation circus is silly, as is the broader apparent desperation to buy a car nobody has driven. But this tells you all you really need to know. It's ultimately a commercial imperative. When you have a client list like that, there's no way that the more mainstream 'loyal customer of 15/20/whatever years' who buys a new Porsche every couple of years (at most, likely) and has all their servicing etc done there is going to get a look in. Hell you could buy two new Porsche a year and not make the shortlist. Ditto Billy Big Balls Broker who thinks the fact that he enjoys ostentatiously spunking cash implies a god given right to have an allocation.

It will, of course, be a bitter pill for either camp to swallow. But really, so what? You're going to ps off 100-odd people out of the 120. It's pretty obvious who you least want to ps off.

As for the notion that Porsche should sell the cars directly, why shouldn't someone who spent a £1 million in a year get a car first? What kind of company doesn't favour it's very best customers? I can't see any sane reason to spend that much on new Porsches. Beyond the GT3 and maybe a 4.0-litre Cayman, there's nothing Porsche sells I'd want. But so what? That's got nothing to do with the question of whether it makes sense to treat your best customers well.

Someone will now say they should just build as many as people want. But that's problematical on several levels. It might actually reduce demand (where's the rush to buy one if you can simply order one / you are no longer a special person when you get an allocation) leading to a situation where Porsche invests heavily to create capacity that then goes untapped.

And it's not clear what sort of margins these cars have in the first place. Are the cars a significant profit centre in their own right? Or do they exist mainly as brand building tools to make the mainstream cars look sexier by association? If the latter, it doesn't make business sense to tie too much capital up in producing them. You won't get much additional branding and marketing impact for the additional investment. If somewhere in between, it's all pretty finely balanced.

Anyway, the problem here, ultimately, isn't the dealer or Porsche and never has been. It's the punters.

[maz8062]

F6C said:

Think possibly some unrealistic expectations implied.

We're talking about luxury vendors / markets / goods / whatever and their clientele. And in this case, er, car dealers. You know...car dealers! Without wishing to be unkind, being in any way surprised that a car dealer falls short of some or other high moral standard is surely unrealistic if not naive.

Broadly, what we're talking about is the pursuit of a luxury good of zero consequence. A certain culture surrounding the market for and acquisition of such goods is implied. Image. Status. Brand management. Manufacturing demand. Artificial scarcity. A lot of the negatives being discussed are essentially the inevitable flip sides / consequences of the market for a luxury good where demand is driven by a perception of status / image / scarcity and so on.

If GT cars were easy to buy and depreciated after purchase, as they used to, hardly anyone would one...as they used to! Think it's likely fair to say the number of enthusiasts who want a GT car as something primarily to drive rather than as a pseudo investment or status trophy hasn't changed much. In the early days of GT cars, they had a hard time selling a far fewer number of cars to a customer base that was roughly of that ilk.

Now they build far more and have queues round the block of people competing to buy a car they've never driven. I personally find it hard to believe there's suddenly a huge glut of driving enthusiasts competing for these cars.

So, it's a little hard to be entirely sympathetic to any perceived grievances in that context. If you're getting involved in the race to put deposits down on a car you've never driven (inherent with any new GT car of late which is always sold out before launch), you're already part of the 'problem'. There's a huge wealth of choice out there if you can afford a new GT car, including paying overs - and from what I can tell, most people are paying extra one way or another, whether it's overs or by virtue of buying a load of cooking models they wouldn't otherwise have touched.

Much more edifying to grab something else, a 997 GT car, give a V10 R8 a go, grab a manual 991 Touring, something older maybe, whatever, get on with enjoying it and let the circus do its thing, no? So many great cars to try without having to get involved in the status rush. Think it would be liberating for those caught up in the circus and feeling hard done by to let go and leave the bun fight to those more committed to the acquisition of a luxury good. If it really has to be a car you've never driven, well, seems to me that by definition it can't really be about the drive, can it? It's about something else, something probably rather less healthy.

Or an AMG GT.

Good post.

[gd]

F6C said:

If anyone wants a video with actually pertinent information about the allocation process, I'd suggest this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZF32ZtbMV8

Can't vouch for the accuracy, but it seems plausible.

Precis
An OPC quizzed on the status of 992 GT3 allocations a couple of days after launch said:
- They had about 120 people who wanted cars at that point
- They thought they would get 15 cars over two years
- They whittled their list down to 30 people

No 1 in that list had spent £1 million with them since the beginning of 2020
No 30 in that list had spent roughly £3-400,000 with them in the last two years

Personally think the allocation circus is silly, as is the broader apparent desperation to buy a car nobody has driven. But this tells you all you really need to know. It's ultimately a commercial imperative. When you have a client list like that, there's no way that the more mainstream 'loyal customer of 15/20/whatever years' who buys a new Porsche every couple of years (at most, likely) and has all their servicing etc done there is going to get a look in. Hell you could buy two new Porsche a year and not make the shortlist. Ditto Billy Big Balls Broker who thinks the fact that he enjoys ostentatiously spunking cash implies a god given right to have an allocation.

It will, of course, be a bitter pill for either camp to swallow. But really, so what? You're going to ps off 100-odd people out of the 120. It's pretty obvious who you least want to ps off.

As for the notion that Porsche should sell the cars directly, why shouldn't someone who spent a £1 million in a year get a car first? What kind of company doesn't favour it's very best customers? I can't see any sane reason to spend that much on new Porsches. Beyond the GT3 and maybe a 4.0-litre Cayman, there's nothing Porsche sells I'd want. But so what? That's got nothing to do with the question of whether it makes sense to treat your best customers well.

Someone will now say they should just build as many as people want. But that's problematical on several levels. It might actually reduce demand (where's the rush to buy one if you can simply order one / you are no longer a special person when you get an allocation) leading to a situation where Porsche invests heavily to create capacity that then goes untapped.

And it's not clear what sort of margins these cars have in the first place. Are the cars a significant profit centre in their own right? Or do they exist mainly as brand building tools to make the mainstream cars look sexier by association? If the latter, it doesn't make business sense to tie too much capital up in producing them. You won't get much additional branding and marketing impact for the additional investment. If somewhere in between, it's all pretty finely balanced.

Anyway, the problem here, ultimately, isn't the dealer or Porsche and never has been. It's the punters.

Can't disagree with any of this, but one has to ask who really spends £1m a year on one brand of car, other than flippers?

THIS is the problem with the system, there are these "customers" that are ruining the brand experience for other (real) customers who will drive the cars and enjoy them, may spend £200-300k per year with an OPC, and by doing so expect that they might be able to get a new GT3 without paying double the list price.

Of course this is a commercial situation, money talks and I am not expecting the OPC to be my friend, but by selling cars to known flippers (and taking a cut), by themselves selling "used" cars over list and supporting this market, and by Porsche not doing anything to acknowledge or resolve this, many good customers will ultimately choose other options.

There are very few brands that maintain an excess of demand indefinitely, and whilst this is the case for Porsche now, there may come a time that Porsche and OPCs regret this. Once the flippers are gone as the demand has evaporated, and the good customers went before them as they had options... they will be left with a lot less revenue. It might be a bit old school, but loyalty that can endure over time is currently very unfashionable.

[throt]

You cant win.

So, the flippers get the first cars and then flip them. They received the first cars because they spend big and buy lots of cars at their OPC

The buyer that buys the flipped car, at the inflated price, doesn't mind paying that inflated price because he hasn't been buying lots of cars, if any, from his/a OPC. Due to the buying route, he will say he is still better off even after paying overs for the GT he has just bought.

That is basically it, the punters that buy using the above method is in effect creating the GT3 Circus,,, but he is still happy

So what's going to happen?

I did however post on here a good few week back that OPC's, were, apparently going to allocate GT3's to those that have been on their books for years wanting one. If true, then that's the end of the circus.

Just have to wait and see who gets what, with what P history. But even then, many would keep quiet.

[av185]

throt said:

You cant win.

I did however post on here a good few week back that OPC's, were, apparently going to allocate GT3's to those that have been on their books for years wanting one. If true, then that's the end of the circus.

Hi K currently for most OPCs it matters not one jot how long someones name has been down for a car. Someone who expresses an interest when the car is announced has as much chance getting one as someone who showed interest much sooner it matters not whether you are number 1 or number 150. The decision is made when they receive allocations and generally not before furthermore as personal circumstances change regularly every potential customers 'suitability' is reviewed regularly too.

[throt]

av185 said:

throt said:

You cant win.

I did however post on here a good few week back that OPC's, were, apparently going to allocate GT3's to those that have been on their books for years wanting one. If true, then that's the end of the circus.

Hi K currently for most OPCs it matters not one jot how long someones name has been down for a car. Someone who expresses an interest when the car is announced has as much chance getting one as someone who showed interest much sooner it matters not whether you are number 1 or number 150. The decision is made when they receive allocations and generally not before furthermore as personal circumstances change regularly every potential customers 'suitability' is reviewed regularly too.

""Suitability""

Is that the "getting in and out of bucket seat" challenge.

Do it in less than 6 secs and you'll get a slot, Lol.

I hear you though. I often wonder if the desirability of your part ex comes in to play. Its a no brainer isn't it.