997.1 Yes or No
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Who did the bore scope and determined that it was negligible? Will it bother you if it needs a rebuild a year down the line? If not then go for it. I think with the m96/7 engine its best to go in expecting the worst but hoping for the best.
For me, if there were cars with a Hartech rebuild available for the same price or very close on price then I would need a very good reason not to buy one of those instead. Higher mileage or a slight spec difference wouldn't be a good enough reason for me.
For me, if there were cars with a Hartech rebuild available for the same price or very close on price then I would need a very good reason not to buy one of those instead. Higher mileage or a slight spec difference wouldn't be a good enough reason for me.
Edited by nunpuncher on Tuesday 23 February 16:34
My 2007 997.1 3.6 C2 is Tiptronic. I honestly don’t see what people don’t like about the Tiptronic gearbox. Has it actually been proven that the engine is more likely to score? Anyway, mine is fine. Had it almost 7 years now ( 55K miles ) I had service & LTT fitted as soon as I bought it. Recent services ( every 3K ) my Indy has used Titan engine oil. The car does not seem to use any oil between services. I have a mate who tracks a Mini who insists on Millers. As I said to OP earlier ... “go for it”, sounds like the car’s been well cared for. As another poster also said, in a strange way, I’m actually looking forward to an engine re-build, if it does come to it. Just the invoice is the downside. 
This has been covered many times and I don’t think I can really add anything other than the fact that I’m a 997.1 owner and my engine hasn’t blown up !
I’d just like to add... Be careful when booking a PPI, I looked at a few with a mate of mine last year who payed for a PPI and it all turned out fine. Then 2 days later the seller messaged him to tell him he’d been gazunped. My mate upped his offer considerably and there was no commitment to sell.
Turns out after talking to some one else that the seller wouldn’t let you look at the car unless you were having a PPI ! And he wasn’t actually selling he just wanted some one to pay for a PPI and give his car the all clear. He’s still got the car now.
This isn’t to say you shouldn’t get a PPI but just be careful with sellers.
I’d just like to add... Be careful when booking a PPI, I looked at a few with a mate of mine last year who payed for a PPI and it all turned out fine. Then 2 days later the seller messaged him to tell him he’d been gazunped. My mate upped his offer considerably and there was no commitment to sell.
Turns out after talking to some one else that the seller wouldn’t let you look at the car unless you were having a PPI ! And he wasn’t actually selling he just wanted some one to pay for a PPI and give his car the all clear. He’s still got the car now.
This isn’t to say you shouldn’t get a PPI but just be careful with sellers.
2006 997.1 C2S owner just 58k...
My previous car cost me about £20K in payments in 3 years. It was my first PCH. My brain will just not let me do that again!
Only doing 2-3k a year now so my hope is it sort of just holds it value now, so even if maintaining it properly racks up a bit, let’s hope it’s not anywhere near the £20k in the next 3 years.
Never for one second thought I would own a Porsche! So just go for it and enjoy
My previous car cost me about £20K in payments in 3 years. It was my first PCH. My brain will just not let me do that again!
Only doing 2-3k a year now so my hope is it sort of just holds it value now, so even if maintaining it properly racks up a bit, let’s hope it’s not anywhere near the £20k in the next 3 years.
Never for one second thought I would own a Porsche! So just go for it and enjoy
I was in the same boat as some of the posters above, looking for a Hartech car. The problem being that I wanted a 'no expense spared' rebuild, and most that come up for sale have not been treated this way. (People who go for no expense spared most often do so, as they want to keep the car long term. )
I eventually found one. However, you then cannot be picky on spec'. My preference had been a 997.1, followed by a 996.2 (narrow body). I have ended up with a 996 C4S Cab. It took me a year (almost to the day) between selling my 997.1 turbo, and collecting the 996. I realised well into the negotiation that I did not even ask the colour of the car, as that kinda became immaterial, v's the details of the engine build. There is also a fair bit of cosmetic work needed, though I was always fine with that.
So - if you wanted to go the Hartech route - be prepared for a long process, and a fair bit of compromise! (unless you get very lucky)
On the plus side, in the garage I now have a fully sorted 3.9 996 (with the X51 power upgrade) that has around the same power as a GT3 of the same era!
I eventually found one. However, you then cannot be picky on spec'. My preference had been a 997.1, followed by a 996.2 (narrow body). I have ended up with a 996 C4S Cab. It took me a year (almost to the day) between selling my 997.1 turbo, and collecting the 996. I realised well into the negotiation that I did not even ask the colour of the car, as that kinda became immaterial, v's the details of the engine build. There is also a fair bit of cosmetic work needed, though I was always fine with that.
So - if you wanted to go the Hartech route - be prepared for a long process, and a fair bit of compromise! (unless you get very lucky)
On the plus side, in the garage I now have a fully sorted 3.9 996 (with the X51 power upgrade) that has around the same power as a GT3 of the same era!
If I was AyBee, I would be looking for a 997.1 with a knackered engine for hopefully around £15K. Then get the Hartech rebuild. Having said that I am constantly looking at 997’s for sale and don’t recall seeing one that specifically stated ‘Engine blown’ or ‘Catastrophic engine failure’!
I myself have a 997.1 3.6 ... I’ve had the car for 7 years now & there are no engine problems. It’s been said on here that the 3.6 suffers less (I don’t know tbh). To be fair we have 2 diesel Golfs for dailys and a VW van, so the 997 only does about 2K a year in dry weather and has an annual service, together with any other repairs/upkeep.
My hopes are to be able to afford a 997.1 Turbo. Australium seems to be going in the opposite direction to me Although I do like wide bodied 996’s.
My son-in-law had a 2005 997.1 C2S his engine got bore scoring. It was making a bad taping noise until warm if I remember correctly. He took it to WeBuyAnyCar... they didn’t pick up on it and gave him £19,000. That was 5 years ago. That’s the sort of car you want for the right money.
Anyway good luck AyBee and as always keep us updated pal
I myself have a 997.1 3.6 ... I’ve had the car for 7 years now & there are no engine problems. It’s been said on here that the 3.6 suffers less (I don’t know tbh). To be fair we have 2 diesel Golfs for dailys and a VW van, so the 997 only does about 2K a year in dry weather and has an annual service, together with any other repairs/upkeep.
My hopes are to be able to afford a 997.1 Turbo. Australium seems to be going in the opposite direction to me
Although I do like wide bodied 996’s.My son-in-law had a 2005 997.1 C2S his engine got bore scoring. It was making a bad taping noise until warm if I remember correctly. He took it to WeBuyAnyCar... they didn’t pick up on it and gave him £19,000. That was 5 years ago. That’s the sort of car you want for the right money.
Anyway good luck AyBee and as always keep us updated pal
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103029...
This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
olv said:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103029...
This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
Nail on the head, olvThis would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
... personally, love the colour also.
)?Mariosbt said:
Is the engine fooked? I haven’t actually read the ad.
"Unfortunately there is a loud and obvious tapping noise coming from the engine which is cylinder damage, hence the low price which is firm. It's a great example in all other respects and the opportunity to find a 997 and invest in re-building the engine is only for an enthusiast."olv said:
Mariosbt said:
Is the engine fooked? I haven’t actually read the ad.
"Unfortunately there is a loud and obvious tapping noise coming from the engine which is cylinder damage, hence the low price which is firm. It's a great example in all other respects and the opportunity to find a 997 and invest in re-building the engine is only for an enthusiast."olv said:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103029...
This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
Already ahead of you on this one This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
It's being discussed on 911uk with the consensus that it's worth about £14k tops. I managed to get in touch with the last owner who sold it to the trade for a lot less than it's currently advertised for. It was apparently then bought by the guy now selling for more than it's advertised for with the hope of a cheap repair, but he's now looking to cut his losses, not entirely sure why. It needs a new engine (£12k from Hartech) and at least one other expensive repair so I offered £14k, but this was rejected. Like you say, this would be my perfect base car though.Mariosbt said:
Sounds exactly the same as my son in laws. He wasn’t willing to spend on it, even though he’s ‘minted’. Like I said, he got £19K off WBAC so good result really.
I'm guessing the majority of 997s at BCA etc have been sold in this manner so auction, patience and bidding control is probably the best way of finding what I want...AyBee said:
Mariosbt said:
Sounds exactly the same as my son in laws. He wasn’t willing to spend on it, even though he’s ‘minted’. Like I said, he got £19K off WBAC so good result really.
I'm guessing the majority of 997s at BCA etc have been sold in this manner so auction, patience and bidding control is probably the best way of finding what I want...Mariosbt said:
AyBee said:
Mariosbt said:
Sounds exactly the same as my son in laws. He wasn’t willing to spend on it, even though he’s ‘minted’. Like I said, he got £19K off WBAC so good result really.
I'm guessing the majority of 997s at BCA etc have been sold in this manner so auction, patience and bidding control is probably the best way of finding what I want...AyBee said:
olv said:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103029...
This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
Already ahead of you on this one This would be perfect. £17k doesn't feel cheap enough but I'm guessing no one is hammering at the door so £15k and £10k at Hartech and you've got a lovely known quantity for £25k all in!
It's being discussed on 911uk with the consensus that it's worth about £14k tops. I managed to get in touch with the last owner who sold it to the trade for a lot less than it's currently advertised for. It was apparently then bought by the guy now selling for more than it's advertised for with the hope of a cheap repair, but he's now looking to cut his losses, not entirely sure why. It needs a new engine (£12k from Hartech) and at least one other expensive repair so I offered £14k, but this was rejected. Like you say, this would be my perfect base car though.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff