997.1 Yes or No

[AyBee]

And that's the problem. The guy is in it for about what he's asking I think, he can stick a secondhand engine in at £6k and flog it on for £23k (maybe?) or keep it himself, or he can sell it to someone who wants a rebuilt one, but will only offer him £14k because they're buying an unknown. I also offered him a deal where we agree a fully sorted price by Hartech, I pay the Hartech bill and he gets whatever is left from the "fully sorted price", he's not taken that up either

[olv]

AyBee said:

And that's the problem. The guy is in it for about what he's asking I think, he can stick a secondhand engine in at £6k and flog it on for £23k (maybe?) or keep it himself, or he can sell it to someone who wants a rebuilt one, but will only offer him £14k because they're buying an unknown. I also offered him a deal where we agree a fully sorted price by Hartech, I pay the Hartech bill and he gets whatever is left from the "fully sorted price", he's not taken that up either

Haha I like your approach.

Fairly sure he's not going to find a buyer at that price so patience may be on your side.

[n3il123]

What's the other expensive repair that it needs?

[AyBee]

n3il123 said:

What's the other expensive repair that it needs?

There's a reason I didn't divulge that I'm afraid. I've put a lot of time and effort into researching the car.

[n3il123]

AyBee said:

There's a reason I didn't divulge that I'm afraid. I've put a lot of time and effort into researching the car.

No worries was just curious

[Mariosbt]

I would say it’s worth £16k + Hartech cost to rebuild. Got a top class 997.1 3.8S then for £28k. They are asking £25k with original engines.... not sure if they are selling. Spoke to a fella today, just bought a 997.1 3.6 Tip for £19k 80,000 miles.

[AyBee]

Mariosbt said:

I would say it’s worth £16k + Hartech cost to rebuild. Got a top class 997.1 3.8S then for £28k. They are asking £25k with original engines.... not sure if they are selling. Spoke to a fella today, just bought a 997.1 3.6 Tip for £19k 80,000 miles.

Except you don’t. You have a car that you can then drive and find out whether or not it has any other issues which you couldn’t previously discover because it’s not currently drivable.

I’m aware of one other repair it needs which I understand to be a big job and there’s potentially more. I’d happily be in it for £27/28k with a new Hartech and knowing everything else was good. I wouldn’t happily be in it for £27/28k and then finding out it needs another £2-3k spending on suspension/brakes/etc, and most people seem to be factoring that in and bidding £14k. It takes a brave person to bid higher and potentially ending up at low 30s all sorted when you can get a 997.2 for the same money without the hassle. Guess it depends how lucky you feel or how brave you are

[Australiam]

AyBee said:

Mariosbt said:

I would say it’s worth £16k + Hartech cost to rebuild. Got a top class 997.1 3.8S then for £28k. They are asking £25k with original engines.... not sure if they are selling. Spoke to a fella today, just bought a 997.1 3.6 Tip for £19k 80,000 miles.

Except you don’t. You have a car that you can then drive and find out whether or not it has any other issues which you couldn’t previously discover because it’s not currently drivable.

I’m aware of one other repair it needs which I understand to be a big job and there’s potentially more. I’d happily be in it for £27/28k with a new Hartech and knowing everything else was good. I wouldn’t happily be in it for £27/28k and then finding out it needs another £2-3k spending on suspension/brakes/etc, and most people seem to be factoring that in and bidding £14k. It takes a brave person to bid higher and potentially ending up at low 30s all sorted when you can get a 997.2 for the same money without the hassle. Guess it depends how lucky you feel or how brave you are

I could not agree more, was in the same situation, and came to the same conclusions. I passed up many for just the same reasons (I ended up enquiring on a 997.2 before finding mine). However, when the right one came along, with all the research and due diligence done, I committed on instantly over the phone! Only a few days later did I think to ask the colour - that was a small factor given everything else that needs consideration!

[Mariosbt]

AyBee said:

Except you don’t. You have a car that you can then drive and find out whether or not it has any other issues which you couldn’t previously discover because it’s not currently drivable.

I’m aware of one other repair it needs which I understand to be a big job and there’s potentially more. I’d happily be in it for £27/28k with a new Hartech and knowing everything else was good. I wouldn’t happily be in it for £27/28k and then finding out it needs another £2-3k spending on suspension/brakes/etc, and most people seem to be factoring that in and bidding £14k. It takes a brave person to bid higher and potentially ending up at low 30s all sorted when you can get a 997.2 for the same money without the hassle. Guess it depends how lucky you feel or how brave you are

So if you’re not buying the car, what’s the other expensive repair?

[mcg_]

Mariosbt said:

So if you’re not buying the car, what’s the other expensive repair?

secret

[Mariosbt]

mcg_ said:

Mariosbt said:

So if you’re not buying the car, what’s the other expensive repair?

secret

CLEARLY .....

[AyBee]

Mariosbt said:

So if you’re not buying the car, what’s the other expensive repair?

I’m not buying it at the advertised price...but nor is anyone else. I haven’t said I’m not interested in buying it, hence keeping my cards close to my chest, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

[Mariosbt]

I don’t know how you can say nobody else will buy it.

[AyBee]

Are you just here to argue? I didn’t say nobody will buy it, I said nobody has bought it yet. The car has certainly been generating interest but it’s also been for sale for over a week now and not sold. It doesn’t stack up for me and a lot of others at £17k and I’ve seen people saying it’s worth between £8k and the £16k you mention, most are around the middle of that range. Maybe someone will pay what the seller wants, but until it’s sold, I still have an offer on the table for it.

[Mariosbt]

No, I’m not arguing, I’m just pointing out how many watchers the car has on EBay. If I didn’t have a 997.1 I would be extremely interested. I think maybe £15k would be a fair price. Anyone offering £8k is taking the p!ss. Obviously you’re aware of a problem with the car that I am not. There won’t be many 997.1’s that haven’t got issues that need fixing, mine included

[AyBee]

Mariosbt said:

No, I’m not arguing, I’m just pointing out how many watchers the car has on EBay. If I didn’t have a 997.1 I would be extremely interested. I think maybe £15k would be a fair price. Anyone offering £8k is taking the p!ss. Obviously you’re aware of a problem with the car that I am not. There won’t be many 997.1’s that haven’t got issues that need fixing, mine included

I agree, £8k would be a huge bargain. What do you base £15k on out of interest and how much would you be happy to have sunk into it when done?

[NickXX]

What would a C2S of that age/mileage be worth with a sorted engine? £25k?

£15k + a budget of £10k to fix it seems reasonable? The car otherwise looks to be in very good condition from the pictures.

[Mariosbt]

AyBee said:

Mariosbt said:

No, I’m not arguing, I’m just pointing out how many watchers the car has on EBay. If I didn’t have a 997.1 I would be extremely interested. I think maybe £15k would be a fair price. Anyone offering £8k is taking the p!ss. Obviously you’re aware of a problem with the car that I am not. There won’t be many 997.1’s that haven’t got issues that need fixing, mine included

I agree, £8k would be a huge bargain. What do you base £15k on out of interest and how much would you be happy to have sunk into it when done?

Sorry, slow reply.. been at work
The car just looks so clean, great colour (to me). Interior looks very good. There’s always stuff like droplinks, coffin arms, corroded brake pipes, AC components etc. etc. etc.
leaking RMS. I don’t know exactly what Hartech do for a £12K rebuild. Presumably while engine out you would do IMS RMS & maybe clutch. I am presuming it’s manual.
If I was to buy it, £15K would be good price I think.
I work next to a VW Garage, and when I see the price of new Golfs (£30k+) etc. A car like a good 997.1 with a ‘better than factory’ engine for approx. £28K is a bargain, bearing in mind if I was to invest in this for the love of the 997.1 it would also be ‘a Keeper’!

[ArchiesDad]

If last year was anything to go by, April, May, June, July....... well into Autumn there were NO decent 997.1’s for sale anywhere ! Lock down saw an increased interest in this specific marque and prices rose a tad, this is where the buy a 997.2 debate came on strong last year or the 996’s are the best 911 of all time campaign began.

For some myself included it had to be a .1, like buying my golf GTI in the early 90’s when I could have bought a MK3 I wanted a big bumper MK2. A .1 with aero body kit is a nice looking thing, what I’m getting to eventually is that once the seasonal 911 bug hits....... any day soon ! This will be gone, as will all the ones sat cosseted all winter in garages used sparingly with low miles and in original un molested condition. A lot of buyers won’t touch a car requiring a re build and others buy what they want and if the inevitable happens then so be it ! My guess is some will appear shortly with fully re built engines as they do every year but as happened last year the odd few cars fetch a premium and are often the very best examples on offer inside and out. There will be more about within a month and who ever is selling this knows once the market opens if this doesn’t sell it’s going down in price substantially.

Hold your nerve and watch once the weather picks up the bug will hit as it does every spring and ground hog day all over again !

[MrJuice]

I love my 997.1 C2

It costs me more than I can afford to maintain but needs must. I bought it when I had a lot more disposable income.

I know of a 20k mile 2005 C2S for £29k. It's being sold by a mechanic specialist who says it has passed the bore scope test. Not sure if they'll give 12m warranty but could be a good buy for someone.