GT3 prices going up
Discussion
TDT said:
Not down to desirability… particularly in the UK it was because Touring Package was only available late in the production run.
There is some truth there but I got my allocation after the touring had been available for a while and when I was considering it the salesman said no one else had ordered the touring package .They were not very popular ,, you can see by the number of winged cars vs tourings ordered once tourings were available .
Far Cough said:
Vroom2 said:
Was there any mention of Over Revs in the ad ? I cant access it at the moment but without that info , its a risky proposition.PinkHouse said:
TDT said:
The premium purely the function of exclusivity / rarity of a factory born touring, particularly in the UK
They are rare because they were less desirable when they were available to order ChrisW. said:
In the UK they couldn't sell the 964RS allocation ... the UK had expected to sell around 100 cars and I recall achieved just 73 ...
Now most of the RHD 964RS have been exported to the far east and in the UK they are more rare and desirable than many classics ... point taken !
A stiff car that was made for tracks .... who would want one ? Now most of the RHD 964RS have been exported to the far east and in the UK they are more rare and desirable than many classics ... point taken !
franki68 said:
TDT said:
Not down to desirability… particularly in the UK it was because Touring Package was only available late in the production run.
There is some truth there but I got my allocation after the touring had been available for a while and when I was considering it the salesman said no one else had ordered the touring package .They were not very popular ,, you can see by the number of winged cars vs tourings ordered once tourings were available .
I specifically wanted one - intended for fairly regular 'road use', and as a long-term keeper (I've had 911s since the late '80s) - and mine was delivered new in late March 2018.
In terms of 'desirability', I would say the 991 'Touring' is one of the prettiest GT cars, in a similar style to the 911R. And much prettier than the 992 'Touring'.
However, I found it disappointing for 'road use' in the UK. The 991 and 992 'Tourings' - are simply GT3s without the rear spoiler. So, still a track focussed car without any real 'touring' concessions, in contrast to the original 2.7 RS M471 and M472 models.
I do think that the 'Touring' designation should have allowed more practical/comfort options - rear seats, a few other niceties, but especially a more adjustable chassis for road use - especially in the UK, where the compromises are a constant.
I think this may be why so many have low mileage but high ownership changes. The 992ST may fulfill the 'touring' role better.
hunter 66 said:
ChrisW. said:
In the UK they couldn't sell the 964RS allocation ... the UK had expected to sell around 100 cars and I recall achieved just 73 ...
Now most of the RHD 964RS have been exported to the far east and in the UK they are more rare and desirable than many classics ... point taken !
A stiff car that was made for tracks .... who would want one ? Now most of the RHD 964RS have been exported to the far east and in the UK they are more rare and desirable than many classics ... point taken !
My background was hot hatches ... RS2000 / Clio 16v / Peugeot 205 1.9 / Escort RS Turbo / Cavalier SRi / E36M3 / plus the mandatory family wagon ...
Geneve said:
franki68 said:
TDT said:
Not down to desirability… particularly in the UK it was because Touring Package was only available late in the production run.
There is some truth there but I got my allocation after the touring had been available for a while and when I was considering it the salesman said no one else had ordered the touring package .They were not very popular ,, you can see by the number of winged cars vs tourings ordered once tourings were available .
I specifically wanted one - intended for fairly regular 'road use', and as a long-term keeper (I've had 911s since the late '80s) - and mine was delivered new in late March 2018.
In terms of 'desirability', I would say the 991 'Touring' is one of the prettiest GT cars, in a similar style to the 911R. And much prettier than the 992 'Touring'.
However, I found it disappointing for 'road use' in the UK. The 991 and 992 'Tourings' - are simply GT3s without the rear spoiler. So, still a track focussed car without any real 'touring' concessions, in contrast to the original 2.7 RS M471 and M472 models.
I do think that the 'Touring' designation should have allowed more practical/comfort options - rear seats, a few other niceties, but especially a more adjustable chassis for road use - especially in the UK, where the compromises are a constant.
I think this may be why so many have low mileage but high ownership changes. The 992ST may fulfill the 'touring' role better.
Edited by 993rsr on Monday 25th March 18:34
993rsr said:
I've had my 991.2 GT3 Touring since 2020 and it's now done 26k miles, I've used it a lot in the UK including trips with the dog to Skye, in the winter with suitable tyres, as well as numerous track days and long EU trips including a nearly 4k mile trip to Portugal last October. For me, it's the best 911 derivitave I've owned, IMO perfectly usable on the UK roads, and I love the fact it's pure GT3 running gear with an understated looks that go's almost un-noticed. Whether a GT3 Touring should be a softened GT3 is one view, personally I'd not want that, but by the number of owners on some of the cars it seems some would!
Just wondering if you’ve driven a 992 GT3 and if so how it compares to your 991.2 GT3? Particularly the ride quality which is meant to be pretty firm on the 992 version. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 25th March 18:34
johnny senna said:
993rsr said:
I've had my 991.2 GT3 Touring since 2020 and it's now done 26k miles, I've used it a lot in the UK including trips with the dog to Skye, in the winter with suitable tyres, as well as numerous track days and long EU trips including a nearly 4k mile trip to Portugal last October. For me, it's the best 911 derivitave I've owned, IMO perfectly usable on the UK roads, and I love the fact it's pure GT3 running gear with an understated looks that go's almost un-noticed. Whether a GT3 Touring should be a softened GT3 is one view, personally I'd not want that, but by the number of owners on some of the cars it seems some would!
Just wondering if you’ve driven a 992 GT3 and if so how it compares to your 991.2 GT3? Particularly the ride quality which is meant to be pretty firm on the 992 version. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 25th March 18:34
hornbaek said:
johnny senna said:
993rsr said:
I've had my 991.2 GT3 Touring since 2020 and it's now done 26k miles, I've used it a lot in the UK including trips with the dog to Skye, in the winter with suitable tyres, as well as numerous track days and long EU trips including a nearly 4k mile trip to Portugal last October. For me, it's the best 911 derivitave I've owned, IMO perfectly usable on the UK roads, and I love the fact it's pure GT3 running gear with an understated looks that go's almost un-noticed. Whether a GT3 Touring should be a softened GT3 is one view, personally I'd not want that, but by the number of owners on some of the cars it seems some would!
Just wondering if you’ve driven a 992 GT3 and if so how it compares to your 991.2 GT3? Particularly the ride quality which is meant to be pretty firm on the 992 version. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 25th March 18:34
I don't feel they are very different cars 991 vs 992, more evolution than revolution as is the norm. with Porsche. Sure the front axle is improved on the 992, but it's not night and day, regardless of what journalists would have you believe. If I was looking for a Touring (mine is LHD which I wanted and bought it pre Brexit from Germany) I'd go 992 RHD as there is more choice, and IMO the bigger price delta for the 991 makes no sense just to lose the wing.
993rsr said:
@johnnysenna - yes, for an hour or so on smooth mountain roads in France. Didn't notice any significant deterioration in ride (was in the CGT so no back to back comparison) steering felt more reactive, seemed like they'd turned the wick up on the EPAS as well as DW front suspension (well it's not truly DW front suspension with bottom coffin arms - pedant mode )
I don't feel they are very different cars 991 vs 992, more evolution than revolution as is the norm. with Porsche. Sure the front axle is improved on the 992, but it's not night and day, regardless of what journalists would have you believe. If I was looking for a Touring (mine is LHD which I wanted and bought it pre Brexit from Germany) I'd go 992 RHD as there is more choice, and IMO the bigger price delta for the 991 makes no sense just to lose the wing.
Thanks. V interesting. I don't feel they are very different cars 991 vs 992, more evolution than revolution as is the norm. with Porsche. Sure the front axle is improved on the 992, but it's not night and day, regardless of what journalists would have you believe. If I was looking for a Touring (mine is LHD which I wanted and bought it pre Brexit from Germany) I'd go 992 RHD as there is more choice, and IMO the bigger price delta for the 991 makes no sense just to lose the wing.
The price delta between wing and no wing for the 991 variant is pretty massive I agree. I’d like a 992 Touring but I use my 992 C2S daily and I think a 992 GT3 Touring used daily might get a bit wearing.
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