992 T

[WCZ]

MDL111 said:

I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car).

fabric door pulls are a big part of the car imo and have contributed to the psycology of it feeling special despite it being insanely half arsed

[nbetts]

Missed the boat on the 991.2 Carrera T

Fancy one this time around.

[MDL111]

WCZ said:

MDL111 said:

I'd say you are able to turn your C2/C2S or whatever into a much more special/focused car by just doing a few things to it. Of course hardly anybody does that. Fabric door pulls are a marketing joke (and I have them in my car).

fabric door pulls are a big part of the car imo and have contributed to the psycology of it feeling special despite it being insanely half arsed

that might well be the case, but it is utterly pointless imo - a door pull is mainly to be used if you have no other way to hold on to the door to close it, so they should have then put a flat lightweight door card in it and a normal handle to activate the locking mechanism when opening it - you then use the strap to pull the door closed without touching the mechanism

[MDL111]

Example

[Nurburgsingh]

Koln-RS said:

A 992T is inevitable - the Porsche production machine has become very formulaic.

Like many, I haven't yet warmed to the 992 - too big and techy for my 911 tastes, so it would be nice if there is a model that really does provide the traditional 911 qualities of lightness and simplicity.

The 991T was rather a half-baked result, so I think Porsche might devote a bit more effort this time.

Narrow body? - Sadly not possible
19" Wheels with PCCBs? - Probably not possible
Manual Gearbox? - Sure, that's the vital starting point of any 'analogue' 911
Lwt Glass? - Yes
Other Weight Saving materials? - Hope so, it really has to be the lightest of the production models in typical spec
Enhanced Performance? - Not necessary - the base engine is fine. But a few extra bhp would elevate its status
Seats? - Personal choice, but rears should be a delete option
Austerity? This should be the theme, where less is more, with an element of 'nostalgia' in the detail
Colours? - Should only be available in a limited selection of classic '70s shades
And, finally, no tacky side decals..... please

All of that except I’d happily take a PDK. The manual on my 993 and 997.2RS are so much more involving that the new breed of manual and the turbo charged engines are designed with PDK in mind. They just work together so well.
My issue is that 991.2TTS’s are now bobbing around the £100k mark and offer a LOT in both spec and performance at the same price as a badly specced 9924S…

My wish list is PDK / buckets / PCCB in black / RWS

[Maxym]

WCZ said:

julian987R said:

Don't get caught out like many others who ordered the privacy glass option which removed the light weight glass....that caught many out. Privacy glass is horrid, if you need privacy then are you really going to be sat in the back of a 911?!

people bought the car with privacy glass, pcm, etc and added all of the weight back in

The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat bd passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.)

[WCZ]

Maxym said:

The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat bd passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.)

I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then?

[av185]

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

[rob.kellock]

av185 said:

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

Amen.

[Nurburgsingh]

WCZ said:

I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then?

Because buckets

[WCZ]

av185 said:

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about?

[Batster3]

WCZ said:

av185 said:

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about?

I don't recall Porsche ever commenting on the back spoiler being higher when deployed than the base. I owned a T for 2 years and the gearing was perfect for B roads. Still miss it. I wish Porsche would bring back a narrow bodied 911 - maybe bring it back as a 912 but pigs might fly!

[APOLO1]

WCZ said:

av185 said:

Having owned a Carrera T from new the car is somewhat special and its appeal is way greater than the sum of its parts.

do you think that there are undocumented differences porsche never told anyone about?

The engine mounts were moved a bit further forward on the 991 Ts, over other 991s that’s one of the reasons as to why the handle so well.

[WCZ]

APOLO1 said:

The engine mounts were moved a bit further forward on the 991 Ts, over other 991s that’s one of the reasons as to why the handle so well.

interesting, I thought there could be undiclosed changes vs the standard 991's as on paper the stated changes shouldn't make any real difference

[APOLO1]

WCZ said:

interesting, I thought there could be undiclosed changes vs the standard 991's as on paper the stated changes shouldn't make any real difference

I know what you mean, there are at times a few points on cars that dont make it into press info. The 991.2 GTS targa has its own Aero settings over the coupe, map on ECU and wider rear wheels. Same for the new engine MA275 in the 992GT3, aside to the Filters ITBs etc its quite a bit different to the ones in the 991s, including lighter Mahle Pistons, crank case etc. Even the PDK has revised clutches.

[Joscal]

Quite a lot of effort went into the brochure.

https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/P...


Can’t remember where I found this apologies for the screenshot but where Porsche position the T.

Edited by Joscal on Saturday 24th July 10:20

[Maxym]

Joscal said:

Quite a lot of effort went into the brochure.

https://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/P...


Can’t remember where I found this apologies for the screenshot but where Porsche position the T.

Edited by Joscal on Saturday 24th July 10:20

I don't think any modern Porsche can be thought of as 'purist'.

[Maxym]

WCZ said:

Maxym said:

The weight saving adds up to a few unnoticeable kilos. The weight of a fat bd passenger and/or driver is far more significant. (My BMI is an ideal 22.5 so I can happily tolerate the weight of privacy glass. And even a few other 'unnecessary' bits and pieces.)

I agree but my point then is why buy a T over a normal car then?

Well why buy a T to save a few unnoticeable kilos? See what av185 said.

[rob.kellock]

Maxym said:

I don't think any modern Porsche can be thought of as 'purist'.

It’s all relative though isn’t it? Last “purist” car would arguably be a late 80s 3.2 Carrera?

Have to say that when I ordered my T back in 2017, I did so on the basis that I expected 992 to be bigger, more luxurious, even faster, more electronics, more of a GT car and, excellent as they are, I wasn’t far off the mark.

My T hits the spot for me, and compared to Porsche’s latest offerings, looks “petite” and old fashioned already!

Will be interesting to see the 992T and what it has to offer.

[tokyotv]

I don’t see the point in a 992 Carrera T ……. The 992 is just to big, luxurious and high tech to have a poverty spec T badge on it….just sounds wrong.

I think porsche will introduce other new models like the 992 911 safari seen testing recently.

Also they have announced you can spec all the light weigh options on a GTS. So that is the 992 T replacement.