Where are all the 997.1 GT3s
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
Don't they have to declare known accident damage? Otherwise it's a misleading omission under The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations.
this. if they know or should reasonably know of any adverse history they are obliged to declare it. its not always been this waySorry, but that just isn't true.
Most second hand cars have been damaged in some way, and subsequently repaired as part of prep. The reality is someone isn't walking into a dealership for a '03 Toyota Yaris with a paint depth gauge and request a rev report.
The only reality is you cannot miss-sell a written off car, which this isn't. Technically, if it's been repaired and passed recognised tests, there is nothing wrong with it. Whether you or I would want to buy it knowing it's history is irrelevant.
Most second hand cars have been damaged in some way, and subsequently repaired as part of prep. The reality is someone isn't walking into a dealership for a '03 Toyota Yaris with a paint depth gauge and request a rev report.
The only reality is you cannot miss-sell a written off car, which this isn't. Technically, if it's been repaired and passed recognised tests, there is nothing wrong with it. Whether you or I would want to buy it knowing it's history is irrelevant.
IbanezDan said:
51monW said:
The market certainly seems to have slowed from the frenzy of several months ago. The white, 4 owner, low mileage, 997.1 Clubsport at JZM seems to have hung around for a while, is this a known car?
Yes it’s known. It was on collecting cars (with blue decals all down and blue wheels)It’s had a lot of work to put it back to standard including new rear carpets. Had floors drilled, front washer panel drilled etc for lines for fire extinguishers.
Also had absolute bugger all service history with it. And it’s repeatedly been sold since selling from its first owner on collecting cars. Has like 5 owners now in the space of a year and a half?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
Was a single owner car on CC now a four owner 😳
GT3Manthey said:
PaulJC84 said:
It looks like the white JZM/CC car has been sold or returned to the owner as well.
Was this the ex track car ? https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
Once a car goes thru CC it can be the kiss of death when it reappears at a dealer with a 'makeover'.
I'm pretty wary of any GT3 that goes thru CC as they're hardly a tough car to sell outside of an auction platform if priced right
I’m in the fortunate position to be considering a 997 GT3 now. Not sure if this thread also covers the .2 as i’d be open to either.
With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
RichDS said:
I’m in the fortunate position to be considering a 997 GT3 now. Not sure if this thread also covers the .2 as i’d be open to either.
With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
£100k goes a long way in 997 GT3 market now compared to 6 months ago...With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
Speaking to one classic car dealer (not Porsche) at the weekend and they said they’d offloaded a lot of sale or return stuff, mostly unrealistically priced or harder selling models.
Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
Pflanzgarten said:
Speaking to one classic car dealer (not Porsche) at the weekend and they said they’d offloaded a lot of sale or return stuff, mostly unrealistically priced or harder selling models.
Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
I wonder if the lakeside care is just that, it's been listed now for about 4 months I think, and the price has remained constant, so I suspect its a SOR car. I mean I could call them and suss all this out.Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
Pflanzgarten said:
Speaking to one classic car dealer (not Porsche) at the weekend and they said they’d offloaded a lot of sale or return stuff, mostly unrealistically priced or harder selling models.
Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
With some of the SOR pricing going on (and lack of movement down), I wonder if some sellers are just using the dealers as a free car storage option Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
Andyoz said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Speaking to one classic car dealer (not Porsche) at the weekend and they said they’d offloaded a lot of sale or return stuff, mostly unrealistically priced or harder selling models.
Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
With some of the SOR pricing going on (and lack of movement down), I wonder if some sellers are just using the dealers as a free car storage option Concentrating on their own owned stuff in a smaller market (things are still selling) and the best of the best.
Thought process being they can still fetch top dollar for stuff just much harder when there’s so much metal sitting around.
Andyoz said:
RichDS said:
I’m in the fortunate position to be considering a 997 GT3 now. Not sure if this thread also covers the .2 as i’d be open to either.
With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
£100k goes a long way in 997 GT3 market now compared to 6 months ago...With the GT4 now having been paid off I fancy buying something in depths of winter over the next few months hopefully prices will continue to soften a little.
GT4 is comfort spec and the Mrs daily plus my weekend blaster and the odd track day. Great car and won’t be going anywhere but do fancy something a bit more of an event in the garage.
Had also thought about a new 992 GTS as a nice thing (granted v different to 997) but I can’t get over the price of a new 911! Probably £125-130 for a specd GTS rwd coupe has the world gone max!
I’ll probably weigh up 997 GT3 v manual 360 / 430 but reckon I won’t have the stones to through with a Ferrari given running costs. Will try to get sorted for the right side of £100k.
There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
IbanezDan said:
Tbh, I thought prices were softening, but now that some of these cars have sold (90k for a 40k mile gen1 with specialist history and a lot of owners ) it probably hasn’t softened at all.
There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
I looked at and drove the Lakeside car, it has a full OPC history and was under Porsche warranty until it couldn't be any more, we didn't buy it as its the first we've driven so nothing to compare with...it obviously felt different to our GT4, but not sure if they all feel the same. Hopefully driving another this weekend.There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
ellesmereFNC said:
IbanezDan said:
Tbh, I thought prices were softening, but now that some of these cars have sold (90k for a 40k mile gen1 with specialist history and a lot of owners ) it probably hasn’t softened at all.
There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
I looked at and drove the Lakeside car, it has a full OPC history and was under Porsche warranty until it couldn't be any more, we didn't buy it as its the first we've driven so nothing to compare with...it obviously felt different to our GT4, but not sure if they all feel the same. Hopefully driving another this weekend.There isn’t much choice of clubsports around, finding a good one is extremely difficult. The reason the lakeside car probably hasn’t sold is more likely down to its history.
If the opportunity is there, it's definitely worth driving another GT3. Handling though, be cautious. Old tyres and s
t setup will make any car seem sub par. You just have to take it as read that, on that score, although it's never going to handle like a well setup GT4 (because of the different drivetrain configurations) they can be made to handle beautifully.Digga said:
You sort of can't being to unpick quote how different the Mezger 997 GT3 is from the GT4. If that sounds like a "GT4's are not as good as GT3's" comment, it is not. A GT4 is an utterly epic thing, but both dynamically and mechanically, it's a world apart.
If the opportunity is there, it's definitely worth driving another GT3. Handling though, be cautious. Old tyres and st setup will make any car seem sub par. You just have to take it as read that, on that score, although it's never going to handle like a well setup GT4 (because of the different drivetrain configurations) they can be made to handle beautifully.
Thanks, it actually steered and handled really well and we loved the sound of it, very different and much more raw, just a couple of other doubts came to mind while driving it...hopefully this weekend will help. If the opportunity is there, it's definitely worth driving another GT3. Handling though, be cautious. Old tyres and s
t setup will make any car seem sub par. You just have to take it as read that, on that score, although it's never going to handle like a well setup GT4 (because of the different drivetrain configurations) they can be made to handle beautifully.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff