Where are all the 997.1 GT3s
Discussion
Porsches on the whole have done me well.... the ones I have bought. My 987 Cayman S I had for 2 years, did 15,000 miles in it and sold it for what I bought it for. My Macan S is about to get listed and I've done 2.5 years in that at 22,000 miles and its looking like that's going to cost me about 2 grand.
I'll buy a GT3 and they'll plummet, just watch.
I'll buy a GT3 and they'll plummet, just watch.
Da Original Whyayedee said:
I'll buy a GT3 and they'll plummet, just watch.
Don't let that thought stop you buying one. They're worth it 
Actually, has anyone asked what part of the UK do you live and how busy are the roads. That is relevant here IMO
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 22 September 16:30
Slippydiff said:
rrroro said:
julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k
993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
930 Turbo £2K to £5K993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
I’d sold my 964 RS to a mate (who still owns it) for £30K, I drove up to GMund to view a gloss black 964 Turbo S Leichtbau (the rare 3.3 litre version) which was up at £55K.
I “couldn’t see the value in it” so I bought an ex-Belgian 993 RS off a chap in Tonbridge for £34,500 instead ...
I’m guessing that Leichtbau would be worth at least £750K now ?
GMund had an amazing variety of cars at that time ... !
Da Original Whyayedee said:
It's not really a factor for me, whatever ends up in the garage next is going to be a keeper, I want to make sure of that. I am Bristol way, the right side of it though to be out of the city in 10 minutes and within 25 can be off into the hills of Wales.
Sounds like just enough time to get it warmed up nicely for the fun roads. I think they're no less usable on the roads than most 300hp/ton cars. I live in London and love having mine - it's perfect for high-tailing it down to country roads on an early weekend morning, or driving long distance to a track day (cruise control and aircon), and then providing an engaging drive when I get there. Obviously no-one is on the limit all the time on the roads, but on the right road at the right time you can get flashes of the car's full brilliance. To me that makes the road drives enjoyable (and makes me want to book a track day
).ChrisW. said:
Slippydiff said:
rrroro said:
julian987R said:
Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k
993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
930 Turbo £2K to £5K993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
I’d sold my 964 RS to a mate (who still owns it) for £30K, I drove up to GMund to view a gloss black 964 Turbo S Leichtbau (the rare 3.3 litre version) which was up at £55K.
I “couldn’t see the value in it” so I bought an ex-Belgian 993 RS off a chap in Tonbridge for £34,500 instead ...
I’m guessing that Leichtbau would be worth at least £750K now ?
GMund had an amazing variety of cars at that time ... !
When it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
Slightly bending the topic, but I bought my first Porsche from Gmund. 996 GT3 Clubsport in Cobalt. I paid about £65K in 2006. Did 185000 miles in it and sold it to Virgin for not a lot in 2010!
Clicked through to find Gmund just for old times sake! Well, that’s a saga isn’t it. Didn’t see that coming.
Clicked through to find Gmund just for old times sake! Well, that’s a saga isn’t it. Didn’t see that coming.
Slippydiff said:
964 RS £23k
993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
Metallic green? I almost tried to stretch to it when I was looking for my 996T, wish I had.993 RS £34k
22B £35K
996 GT2 at £35 (I bought that car)
I also remember a 997 GT2 sticking around at 70k for a long time when I sold my first flat (6 years ago?). Almost threw all my equity on that too..I would have been homeless...but I'm sure the carbon buckets would have provided a nice place to live.
Edited by shantybeater on Thursday 22 September 23:02
shantybeater said:
Metallic green? I almost tried to stretch to it when I was looking for my 996T, wish I had.
I also remember a 997 GT2 sticking around at 70k for a long time when I sold my first flat (6 years ago?). Almost threw all my equity on that too..I would have been homeless...but I'm sure the carbon buckets would have provided a nice place to live.
It was a Basalt black example. 68K miles, a truly brilliant car.I also remember a 997 GT2 sticking around at 70k for a long time when I sold my first flat (6 years ago?). Almost threw all my equity on that too..I would have been homeless...but I'm sure the carbon buckets would have provided a nice place to live.
BlackGT3 said:
I believe it was ex Nick Faldo. I was also intending to buy that car - went out for a test drive with Neil Primrose (when he was a partner in the business), called to place my deposit a couple of days later and they had sold it to a chap in Hong Kong.
When it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
I knew it belonged to a famous golfer !! I thought it was Faldo (someone said his wife had taken a golf bat to it along with his 959) but that wasn’t the case, but now Chris has said Tony Jacklin, it’s got me wondering ...When it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 22 September 23:12
Rogere said:
Slightly bending the topic, but I bought my first Porsche from Gmund. 996 GT3 Clubsport in Cobalt. I paid about £65K in 2006. Did 185000 miles in it and sold it to Virgin for not a lot in 2010!
Clicked through to find Gmund just for old times sake! Well, that’s a saga isn’t it. Didn’t see that coming.
I found Andrew a pleasure to deal with, and said the same on 911Uk, my comments weren’t well received ... Clicked through to find Gmund just for old times sake! Well, that’s a saga isn’t it. Didn’t see that coming.
Andrew was (and hopefully still is) the most knowledgeable person I came across on the classic car side, has a good back story and owned his mint green 964RS for a very long time ... so he can't be all bad ?
I used to drop in for a cuppa and chat about the state of the car universe ... always informative and often tempting. But businesses have a timescale and who knows what really went wrong ?
He even had a very nice 968 Turbo S towards the end, very original in yellow.
Regards to Nick Faldo / Tony Jacklin ... I am hopeless with names so don't fret too much
I used to drop in for a cuppa and chat about the state of the car universe ... always informative and often tempting. But businesses have a timescale and who knows what really went wrong ?
He even had a very nice 968 Turbo S towards the end, very original in yellow.
Regards to Nick Faldo / Tony Jacklin ... I am hopeless with names so don't fret too much
BlackGT3 said:
I believe it was ex Nick Faldo. I was also intending to buy that car - went out for a test drive with Neil Primrose (when he was a partner in the business), called to place my deposit a couple of days later and they had sold it to a chap in Hong Kong.
When it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
http://www.964uk.com/Gallery/TurboS/964turboSblack04.jpgWhen it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
D.no said:
BlackGT3 said:
I believe it was ex Nick Faldo. I was also intending to buy that car - went out for a test drive with Neil Primrose (when he was a partner in the business), called to place my deposit a couple of days later and they had sold it to a chap in Hong Kong.
When it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
http://www.964uk.com/Gallery/TurboS/964turboSblack04.jpgWhen it arrived at Gmund, I recall the reg was A11 OUT
The one stand out thing I remember about the bodywork, was you could see the carbon/Kevlar weave of the bonnet through the paint under the showroom lights.
Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 23 September 20:19
ellesmereFNC said:
It was a bit much when originally on at over £95k so dismissed it as no dual xenon and chrono but mostly its a heck of a long camel ride from where I am...wouldn't just pop up for a test drive
New one with Porsche - black comfort with pccb and yellow belts, nice contrast… https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
ChrisW. said:
Andrew was (and hopefully still is) the most knowledgeable person I came across on the classic car side, has a good back story and owned his mint green 964RS for a very long time ... so he can't be all bad ?
I used to drop in for a cuppa and chat about the state of the car universe ... always informative and often tempting. But businesses have a timescale and who knows what really went wrong ?
He even had a very nice 968 Turbo S towards the end, very original in yellow.
Regards to Nick Faldo / Tony Jacklin ... I am hopeless with names so don't fret too much
He had a very wealthy individual who backed him for many years, unfortunately he fell ill and I think passed away. If you followed Gmund’s adverts the quality/price of their stock fell off a cliff in a short space of time. A classic liquidity crisis that Andrew struggled to address.I used to drop in for a cuppa and chat about the state of the car universe ... always informative and often tempting. But businesses have a timescale and who knows what really went wrong ?
He even had a very nice 968 Turbo S towards the end, very original in yellow.
Regards to Nick Faldo / Tony Jacklin ... I am hopeless with names so don't fret too much
I dealt with him on three occasions, the purchase of a 964 C2, the sale of a Gen 1 997 GT3, and the sale of a a 996 GT2, both the latter on SOR. The GT2 SOR deal in 2010 hadn’t found a buyer after 6 months, so I had the car back and sold it to/through 911 Virgin.
Andrew was open, honest and a real pleasure to deal with on all three occasions.
Clearly something happened that saw him go to the dark side, and in the worst possible way. A real shame for those he de-frauded, and an even bigger shame that he thought his behaviour acceptable.
I think in the good times profit comes quite easily ... particularly when prices rise whilst cars sit in stock.
It's very easy to take on costs which are covered first by the profit from sales ... and then from cash flow ... and then from customers cash flow in the form of late payment for SOR sales made ...
The problem is, once it starts going bad the temptation is to work harder to dig yourself out, but sometimes unless you can shed the costs that are dragging you down, no matter how hard you work, without luck the only way is down and in the end, for a lot !
This used to happen to depth divers in the Swiss lakes ... they would reach a point where the compression became so great that they simply lost their buoyancy and kept on down to the bottom for as long as their oxygen lasted / they could breathe.
The challenge of long leases / dilapidations / redundancy payments / .... it costs a lot less to go bust and you don't need to clear-up.
It's very easy to take on costs which are covered first by the profit from sales ... and then from cash flow ... and then from customers cash flow in the form of late payment for SOR sales made ...
The problem is, once it starts going bad the temptation is to work harder to dig yourself out, but sometimes unless you can shed the costs that are dragging you down, no matter how hard you work, without luck the only way is down and in the end, for a lot !
This used to happen to depth divers in the Swiss lakes ... they would reach a point where the compression became so great that they simply lost their buoyancy and kept on down to the bottom for as long as their oxygen lasted / they could breathe.
The challenge of long leases / dilapidations / redundancy payments / .... it costs a lot less to go bust and you don't need to clear-up.
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