Where are all the 997.1 GT3s
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braddo said:
Digga said:
Lightweight flywheel? Ooh, is it a 4.0 RS clutch/flywheel kit (I might have read that's what several people have done?)?My RMS did leak a tiny couple of drops one winter previously and did re-seal first time once I began to run the car, but this was more than that and was not worth the risk.
The flywheel was always on the to do list anyway, so might as well make lemonade with lemons.
Digga said:
Yes it’s the updated clutch and all the lightweight bits from the 996 GT3 RS.
My RMS did leak a tiny couple of drops one winter previously and did re-seal first time once I began to run the car, but this was more than that and was not worth the risk.
The flywheel was always on the to do list anyway, so might as well make lemonade with lemons.
Post up somewhere how it feels after installation. My RMS did leak a tiny couple of drops one winter previously and did re-seal first time once I began to run the car, but this was more than that and was not worth the risk.
The flywheel was always on the to do list anyway, so might as well make lemonade with lemons.
I find the standard car a bit slow to rev when blipped* but it's hard to tell how much of that is e-throttle programming and heavy flywheel...(* compared to cable-throttle cars I've had, albeit they were 4-cyl engines that didn't rev to 8400!)
braddo said:
Post up somewhere how it feels after installation. I find the standard car a bit slow to rev when blipped* but it's hard to tell how much of that is e-throttle programming and heavy flywheel...
(* compared to cable-throttle cars I've had, albeit they were 4-cyl engines that didn't rev to 8400!)
In a perfect world, it’d be a back to back test, but for various reasons (suspension & parts) the car’s been up at Sports & Classic since early December. I find the standard car a bit slow to rev when blipped* but it's hard to tell how much of that is e-throttle programming and heavy flywheel...(* compared to cable-throttle cars I've had, albeit they were 4-cyl engines that didn't rev to 8400!)
Obviously I have a good baseline ‘memory’ of how it worked, so I’d hope to discern an immediate difference. Hopefully for the better.
Main difference is it’s a lot noisier at idle. 
Shifting is much easier, but old clutch was 50% worn.
I cannot, on road with tyres below 7 degrees, discern significant heel-toe difference, but I do feel as though a slight recalibration is needed with the throttle blips,
Very much looking forward to trying on track.
Öhlins DFV dampers are confidence inspiring in a way even best active dampers can’t be. They do, however, highlight just how s
t a British B roads are, but for me that’s not a real concern and I think I will even wind a bit stiffer settings on for Oulton Park.
Shifting is much easier, but old clutch was 50% worn.
I cannot, on road with tyres below 7 degrees, discern significant heel-toe difference, but I do feel as though a slight recalibration is needed with the throttle blips,
Very much looking forward to trying on track.
Öhlins DFV dampers are confidence inspiring in a way even best active dampers can’t be. They do, however, highlight just how s
t a British B roads are, but for me that’s not a real concern and I think I will even wind a bit stiffer settings on for Oulton Park.IbanezDan said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
although perhaps white is the most common and least desirable colour?
I found a few opinions on this when I was looking and came to these conclusions:1. White is the cup car colour which at the time was most desirable for GT3's.
2. Its easier to care for than any other colour
3. Guards red also looks rubbish against the rear lights
4. Black doesn't show off the lines of the car like you'd expect a black car too.
5. Silver is boring.
6. And most importantly, buy the car on condition - not colour. Its hard enough finding a GT3 that hasn't been driven into a wall, I'd take a clean white car over a PTS crash damaged car any day.
Digga said:
I thought there was a flurry of non-RS 997 GT3's having premature engine failure due to 'engine vibrations' from a LWFW or something like that? To the point where Porsche issued a statement saying the configuration was not supported or warrantied for non-RS cars?It was probably hearsay but I remember US forums suggesting other supporting RS components should be replaced to mitigate the risk....?
Would be nice to know as this would be on my mod list one day.
Edited by shantybeater on Sunday 26th February 16:00
shantybeater said:
Digga said:
I thought there was a flurry of non-RS 997 GT3's having premature engine failure due to 'engine vibrations' from a LWFW or something like that? To the point where Porsche issued a statement saying the configuration was not supported or warrantied for non-RS cars?It was probably hearsay but I remember US forums suggesting other supporting RS components should be replaced to mitigate the risk....?
Would be nice to know as this would be on my mod list one day.
Edited by shantybeater on Sunday 26th February 16:00
Digga, nice one on the new shiny stuff, did the LWFW myself a couple of years ago and love it, no real drawbacks for me. Did you say Ohlins? What happened with the Tractive, thought you really rated that set up? Was it the leaky dampers I’ve heard about?
Picked her up yesterday, it was an experience to say the least. Having not actually driven one for 10 years I'd forgotten what they were like, and having not driven a manual for 3 years (and my last one being a 997 Turbo) I had forgotten how different the clutch and gearbox felt.
Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Picked her up yesterday, it was an experience to say the least. Having not actually driven one for 10 years I'd forgotten what they were like, and having not driven a manual for 3 years (and my last one being a 997 Turbo) I had forgotten how different the clutch and gearbox felt.
Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
Congratulations, she looks well in the garage! You'll soon get used to how raw they are again, I did. Get them on the right stretch of road and they're so enjoyable. Nothing comes close to a 997 GT!Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
I don't get to drive the 997RS much these days but my overriding memories are of exactly the same thing. The drive to the 'ring was always "this really doesn't feel special anymore, just hard work" until you get there and get on it.
Once it's on it's toes it all makes sense. Get your self a track day booked and fall in love with it
Once it's on it's toes it all makes sense. Get your self a track day booked and fall in love with it
Getting the clutch set up right is very important in these 7GT2/3 cars I've owned mine from new and the clutch gradually deteriorates without you really noticing until you begin to realise that its pretty damn heavy and over notchy and in my case wouldn't go into first or reverse easily when hot.
OK mine is a little different as it is a modified GT2 so it is a special Sachs PP with 4.0 GT3 RS disc and parts.....it took me a good while to get it working perfectly again and it involved renewing virtually every clutch part you can think of but it definitely WAS worth it as when working as new the clutches and gearbox are really satisfying to use.
I can recommend the Function First Shift Right ball bearing kit for the shifter it is cheap and really improves the shift experience.
All the above is of course if you are going to drive the car and not let it hibernate under that fancy cover
OK mine is a little different as it is a modified GT2 so it is a special Sachs PP with 4.0 GT3 RS disc and parts.....it took me a good while to get it working perfectly again and it involved renewing virtually every clutch part you can think of but it definitely WAS worth it as when working as new the clutches and gearbox are really satisfying to use.
I can recommend the Function First Shift Right ball bearing kit for the shifter it is cheap and really improves the shift experience.
All the above is of course if you are going to drive the car and not let it hibernate under that fancy cover
TB993tt said:
Getting the clutch set up right is very important in these 7GT2/3 cars I've owned mine from new and the clutch gradually deteriorates without you really noticing until you begin to realise that its pretty damn heavy and over notchy and in my case wouldn't go into first or reverse easily when hot.
OK mine is a little different as it is a modified GT2 so it is a special Sachs PP with 4.0 GT3 RS disc and parts.....it took me a good while to get it working perfectly again and it involved renewing virtually every clutch part you can think of but it definitely WAS worth it as when working as new the clutches and gearbox are really satisfying to use.
I can recommend the Function First Shift Right ball bearing kit for the shifter it is cheap and really improves the shift experience.
All the above is of course if you are going to drive the car and not let it hibernate under that fancy cover
Ha ha. I’ll be out tomorrow registering the car with the Classic Register at East London OPC so that’s another 40 miles under the belt and i’ll try and find a scenic route home. OK mine is a little different as it is a modified GT2 so it is a special Sachs PP with 4.0 GT3 RS disc and parts.....it took me a good while to get it working perfectly again and it involved renewing virtually every clutch part you can think of but it definitely WAS worth it as when working as new the clutches and gearbox are really satisfying to use.
I can recommend the Function First Shift Right ball bearing kit for the shifter it is cheap and really improves the shift experience.
All the above is of course if you are going to drive the car and not let it hibernate under that fancy cover
I’ll probably upgrade the shifter bushes to metal at some stage and replace the engine mounts as they’re common marginal gains, but getting to know the car first. I won’t use the cover much i promise, that’s a winter storage thing but wanted to check it fitted as it’s officially a GT2 one.
Enjoy. The clutch will always get a bit tiresome in stop start traffic so if you get stuck in some, you'll want a bit of scenic route afterwards to compensate.
What's the deal with the OPC classic register?
Also, I thought the GT3's gear linkage stuff was all metal anyway? Mine has always made a few metallic tinkly noises when moving the lever around.
What's the deal with the OPC classic register?
Also, I thought the GT3's gear linkage stuff was all metal anyway? Mine has always made a few metallic tinkly noises when moving the lever around.
Over 15 years old can register with OPC for the Classic Register, discount on parts and a few freebies. Was a good excuse for a drive out.
Got to say, the shifter is an issue for me. Constantly hard to engage 1-2 and 2-3, maybe i need to be more positive etc. but can’t seem to get it right. When cold is v. hard, when warmed up is better but still difficult. I’ll need to go out again and see if clutch pedal engagement makes a difference (perhaps i’m not pushing all the way), otherwise i might have someone experienced drive it for me just so i know.
Could easily be an experience thing, first manual for years etc. but I’ll need to keep practicing and then seek advice if not confident. I have the alignment tool thing but not sure if cable adjustment would be effective.
Got to say, the shifter is an issue for me. Constantly hard to engage 1-2 and 2-3, maybe i need to be more positive etc. but can’t seem to get it right. When cold is v. hard, when warmed up is better but still difficult. I’ll need to go out again and see if clutch pedal engagement makes a difference (perhaps i’m not pushing all the way), otherwise i might have someone experienced drive it for me just so i know.
Could easily be an experience thing, first manual for years etc. but I’ll need to keep practicing and then seek advice if not confident. I have the alignment tool thing but not sure if cable adjustment would be effective.
I heard you bleed the Clutch when doing the brakes - Would this make the clutch lighter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdIoSeGiqg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdIoSeGiqg
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