Where are all the 997.1 GT3s
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Jefferson Steelflex said:
Picked her up yesterday, it was an experience to say the least. Having not actually driven one for 10 years I'd forgotten what they were like, and having not driven a manual for 3 years (and my last one being a 997 Turbo) I had forgotten how different the clutch and gearbox felt.
Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
sums up how i felt when i got mine 4 years ago and still feel the same today. looks great - enjoy it.Initially, I'm going to be honest and say I found it a real challenge. Couldn't get the gearchange right, the clutch just felt too heavy and my heel-toe is non-existent so I gave up. I drove home thinking maybe this is too much hard work for me, but then I reminded myself I had bought this as a car to learn to drive properly in, one to use for some track/advanced driver training and one that gives me a less sterile experience versus my 2022 Cayman GTS with the PDK box. In other words, a car that demands attention and is more than just point and shoot lazy driving, and to be honest it will only get weekend use in the main.
And to add, once it was warmed up properly, everything did seem to settle and it made more sense to me. Still a challenge, but by the time I got home I had already started to gel. I had to do 30 miles on the M25 and found it fine on comfort and noise, has plenty of torque so you don't need to row the gears constantly and that noise when you give it some welly
In summary, I am nowhere near a good enough driver for this car, but I'm looking forward to trying to become one.
And I'd even bought a cover second hand in advance. Have spent months sorting the garage just for this moment.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
You mean the one I bought Dan? Had a good history and decent options list, 7 former keepers. Was there another one?
Yes, I think yours was a good buy. Pretty good history, but not full or really well documented. I know some of the work had been done by the previous owner but it did have a lot of Porsche history prior etc. was a nice clean car. The owner had done the coffin arms etc. the underseal put me off a little that he had done, made it difficult to spot a potential leaky rms and the guy couldn’t be arsed to drive it to someone for an inspection, wanted them to come out to him. He sent it to JZM after that on SOR and they sold it twice since. PGNSagaris said:
Gary Woodland said:
Who would you recommend for a pre purchase inspection?
Go straight to RPM Technik. Very, very thorough- JZM
- Nine Excellence
- Fearnsport
- Sports & Classic
philcerb said:
Jefferson do not take to much notice of dan your car has a FULL HISTORY and a good spec dan must mean not buckets or c/s. Dan knows that he spent 3 hours looking at the car and 2 hours looking at the paper work ? In the end i got sick of being messed about by fools i sold my car on SOR through jzm for a much better price than dan wanted to pay. Most people know dan could write a book on how to try and wear some one down but not succeed. thanks phil.
Jefferson i was the keeper of your car for about five years in that time it had anything it needed(coil packs,coffin arms,disks pads handbrake shoes spring kit and bolts all genuine porsche) I think dan must be confused what car it is, the car is NOT UNDERSEALED but all plastics dropped floors and wings cleaned and a light coat of clear waxoil. As for getting the car inspected think you have to agree a price and pay a deposit first . thanks phil
philcerb said:
Jefferson do not take to much notice of dan your car has a FULL HISTORY and a good spec dan must mean not buckets or c/s. Dan knows that he spent 3 hours looking at the car and 2 hours looking at the paper work ? In the end i got sick of being messed about by fools i sold my car on SOR through jzm for a much better price than dan wanted to pay. Most people know dan could write a book on how to try and wear some one down but not succeed. thanks phil.
Imagine selling Porsches for a living. You'd need the patience of a saint if the threads on here are anything to go by.Porsche seems to attract a great deal of people who think GT3’s should never be used, can never have had any paint (or this means they’ve been a a massive shunt) and should only be serviced by Porsche.
These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
4pot said:
Porsche seems to attract a great deal of people who think GT3’s should never be used, can never have had any paint (or this means they’ve been a a massive shunt) and should only be serviced by Porsche.
These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
too right!These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
I bought mine new in ‘07, did loads of track days, 30k miles in 2 years, put it into the armco and moved on to the next one!
4pot said:
Porsche seems to attract a great deal of people who think GT3’s should never be used, can never have had any paint (or this means they’ve been a a massive shunt) and should only be serviced by Porsche.
These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
too right!These cars are made for driving. They were never intended to be museum pieces, never being used, never climbing the higher echelons of the rev range!
FairPlay if certain people want to clean and admire them, but by the same token, for those, like me, who drive, enjoy, cover the underside in waxoil and have fun, it doesn’t have to mean the car is worthless.
I bought mine new in ‘07, did loads of track days, 30k miles in 2 years, put it into the armco and moved on to the next one!
IbanezDan said:
Yes, I think yours was a good buy. Pretty good history, but not full or really well documented. I know some of the work had been done by the previous owner but it did have a lot of Porsche history prior etc. was a nice clean car. The owner had done the coffin arms etc. the underseal put me off a little that he had done, made it difficult to spot a potential leaky rms and the guy couldn’t be arsed to drive it to someone for an inspection, wanted them to come out to him. He sent it to JZM after that on SOR and they sold it twice since.
I'm curious, what makes you think underseal would mask an RMS leak? I did my car myself using Bilt Hamber dynax UB (widely known as the biz and tested for several years myself on my daily). It leaves a dark brown matte coat to the underside.RMS surely would show as oil dripping from the usual engine catch? (since lowest point below gearbox/engine mating surface)
Personally I see underseal as value added for potential purchases, but then again I am used to purchasing the odd 20yr+ jap car which are a bit light on underseal. I would recommend any GT3 owner considers doing the same, they are very light on underseal compared to the likes of the Turbo, I caught many places with surface rust where paint had thinned around spot welds etc...If left it would get difficult to resolve.
Edited by shantybeater on Saturday 11th March 15:05
shantybeater said:
I'm curious, what makes you think underseal would mask an RMS leak? I did my car myself using Bilt Hamber dynax UB (widely known as the biz and tested for several years myself on my daily). It leaves a dark brown matte coat to the underside.
RMS surely would show as oil dripping from the usual engine catch? (since lowest point below gearbox/engine mating surface)
Personally I see underseal as value added for potential purchases, but then again I am used to purchasing the odd 20yr+ jap car which are a bit light on underseal. I would recommend any GT3 owner considers doing the same, they are very light on underseal compared to the likes of the Turbo, I caught many places with surface rust where paint had thinned around spot welds etc...If left it would get difficult to resolve.
It looked like very dark underseal. And was drip shaped but I’m sure it was probably nothing. RMS surely would show as oil dripping from the usual engine catch? (since lowest point below gearbox/engine mating surface)
Personally I see underseal as value added for potential purchases, but then again I am used to purchasing the odd 20yr+ jap car which are a bit light on underseal. I would recommend any GT3 owner considers doing the same, they are very light on underseal compared to the likes of the Turbo, I caught many places with surface rust where paint had thinned around spot welds etc...If left it would get difficult to resolve.
Edited by shantybeater on Saturday 11th March 15:05
Like Phil said, in the end we couldn’t agree a price and he sold it on.
I do worry sometimes about the underside of mine m, as has been said they aren’t well protected and I think it is good preventative maintenance to do something like that.
shantybeater said:
I'm curious, what makes you think underseal would mask an RMS leak? I did my car myself using Bilt Hamber dynax UB (widely known as the biz and tested for several years myself on my daily). It leaves a dark brown matte coat to the underside.
RMS surely would show as oil dripping from the usual engine catch? (since lowest point below gearbox/engine mating surface)
Personally I see underseal as value added for potential purchases, but then again I am used to purchasing the odd 20yr+ jap car which are a bit light on underseal. I would recommend any GT3 owner considers doing the same, they are very light on underseal compared to the likes of the Turbo, I caught many places with surface rust where paint had thinned around spot welds etc...If left it would get difficult to resolve.
The Bilt Hamber Dynax underseal is excellent, and highly recommended. I’ve applied it to many cars, and provides a lot of additional protection. Buying a used car that has been cared for in this way, and had additional protection to the underside would more likely influence me to buy it. Can’t quite fathom why you’d walk away from a car that’s been clearly looked after..!RMS surely would show as oil dripping from the usual engine catch? (since lowest point below gearbox/engine mating surface)
Personally I see underseal as value added for potential purchases, but then again I am used to purchasing the odd 20yr+ jap car which are a bit light on underseal. I would recommend any GT3 owner considers doing the same, they are very light on underseal compared to the likes of the Turbo, I caught many places with surface rust where paint had thinned around spot welds etc...If left it would get difficult to resolve.
Edited by shantybeater on Saturday 11th March 15:05
IREvans said:
The Bilt Hamber Dynax underseal is excellent, and highly recommended. I’ve applied it to many cars, and provides a lot of additional protection. Buying a used car that has been cared for in this way, and had additional protection to the underside would more likely influence me to buy it. Can’t quite fathom why you’d walk away from a car that’s been clearly looked after..!
Simple really, it was a nice car (though I wasn’t the only one to walk away btw). But for me it wasn’t exactly what I wanted, I really wanted a clubsport. So few of them were up for sale when I was looking that I almost bought this but deep down I knew I couldn’t pay what the owner wanted for a car I didn’t exactly want. I know clubsports aren’t for everyone, likewise neither are comfort spec cars for others. I got a clubsport in the end.I’m glad my car purchase has attracted so much attention, sadly it appears to have been confused with another car that had underseal everywhere, a rubbish spec and ropey history.
I can confirm it’s wonderfully clean underneath, a bit of waxoil in the right areas and that’s it. I’m looking forward to driving it an awful lot this summer. Peace out.
I can confirm it’s wonderfully clean underneath, a bit of waxoil in the right areas and that’s it. I’m looking forward to driving it an awful lot this summer. Peace out.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I’m glad my car purchase has attracted so much attention, sadly it appears to have been confused with another car that had underseal everywhere, a rubbish spec and ropey history.
I can confirm it’s wonderfully clean underneath, a bit of waxoil in the right areas and that’s it. I’m looking forward to driving it an awful lot this summer. Peace out.
I’m sorry if I have come across as insulting you or your car, that was not my intention. No GT3 is a rubbish spec. Your car didn’t look ropey to me, I even commended the PO when i viewed it that it had clearly been well looked after. The PPF was a nice addition, and it had great bodywork. I can confirm it’s wonderfully clean underneath, a bit of waxoil in the right areas and that’s it. I’m looking forward to driving it an awful lot this summer. Peace out.
IbanezDan said:
It looked like very dark underseal. And was drip shaped but I’m sure it was probably nothing.
Like Phil said, in the end we couldn’t agree a price and he sold it on.
I do worry sometimes about the underside of mine m, as has been said they aren’t well protected and I think it is good preventative maintenance to do something like that.
Would highly recommend. My 996 Turbo 4 years older had next to zero surface rust thanks to the caked on extra layers of underseal. As mentioned on my GT3 with less miles (and suspect spent more time garaged) the paint had thinned in quite a few areas. I spent several months painting & under sealing every part of the chassis I could reach. On my 140,000 miler S2000 it’s held up well through snow/salt etc and they are very prone to rust. Like Phil said, in the end we couldn’t agree a price and he sold it on.
I do worry sometimes about the underside of mine m, as has been said they aren’t well protected and I think it is good preventative maintenance to do something like that.
When my GT3 went i to my mates body shop it was specifically for the stone chips on the lower rear part of the front wheel arch. It was only while doing this that my mate called me after he’d looked closer. It was only by coincidence I’d seen Roro had also had to do a full underseal on his.
Done right, it’s worry free for another 5-10 years.
Done right, it’s worry free for another 5-10 years.
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