992 allocations to the dealers

992 allocations to the dealers

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Docmem

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174 posts

226 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Can anyone explains how does the allocation works for 911. Does Porsche issues certain numbers of each model to each dealer every month/couple of months/quarter. And do the dealers always go by the waiting list or bump the people they know? Just looking to get some insight into this. Thanks

EvoSid

1,067 posts

45 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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As I understand it a dealer is allocated a certain number of cars er model. Each car can then be specced by the customer as they wish.
Other than that it is pot luck as my local dealer got a shed load of cars this quarter and the promise of more next year but who knows

Schuey_911

497 posts

54 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Docmem said:
Can anyone explains how does the allocation works for 911. Does Porsche issues certain numbers of each model to each dealer every month/couple of months/quarter. And do the dealers always go by the waiting list or bump the people they know? Just looking to get some insight into this. Thanks
It's a frustrating process and really tests ones patience. But to answer your questions, and as far as I know:

1) Does Porsche issue certain numbers of each model to each dealer every month/couple of months/quarter?

Answer: YES

2) Do the dealers always go by the waiting list or bump the people they know?

Answer: This is the frustrating part in my opinion and not fair. Once dealers get their allocation from Porsche AG, it is entirely up to the dealer who they give the allocations to. My Dealer Principle has absolutely assured me that they work to the date a signed order form was received by them, so allocations are given in date order which seems right and fair. Unfortunately, not all dealers work like this and depends on how transparent they are with you. With many dealers if not most, if you're a customer who purchases 5 Porsche's a year and you are a regular returning customer, then some dealers will give them preferential treatment and bump them up the list.

Cheib

21,513 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2021
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Dealers don't just get an allocation for say a 992 Carrera. It will be an allocation for a 992 Carrera 4 S...or 992 Carrera GTS. They can sometimes go months without an allocation for a specific model.

They have an idea of how many of a certain model they will get in a calendar year but it's a lottery how many they actually get in a specific quarter. They normally get details of allocations/build slots about six weeks before the quarter starts. So they'll have had allocations for Q1 '22 mid November.

Pivo

274 posts

17 months

Thursday 23rd December 2021
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Few points to note:
1. all dealers have sales targets to meet, I.e. overall number of cars sold.
2. Porsche GB gets an allocation from Porsche AG and matches the dealer orders with the allocated build slots.
3. If the dealer does not have sufficient number of orders to meet the target, they will be issued spare slots that have not been secured by other dealers
4. I have no reason to suspect that some people are getting pref treatment, as I have seen footballers name after mine biggrin

Docmem

Original Poster:

174 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th December 2021
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My dealer told me that they have not received any allocation for 992 C2 in last few months. They are expecting allocations in January for March built.

Pivo

274 posts

17 months

Sunday 26th December 2021
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Docmem said:
My dealer told me that they have not received any allocation for 992 C2 in last few months. They are expecting allocations in January for March built.
Please update us if/when you get a build slot.

I am told that Porsche GB have already sold-out the planned allocation of 911 for 2022, and pre-allocated to dealers who have the customer’s orders with deposits.
I have put down deposit in Dec 2021 and I am promised build slot in 2023.

Jeremy-75qq8

552 posts

74 months

Sunday 26th December 2021
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I placed an order 4 weeks ago for 992 cab.

I am told to expect the car q1/2 2023

Friend has just ordered a 992 turbo and told to expect end 2022

Docmem

Original Poster:

174 posts

226 months

Sunday 26th December 2021
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I ordered in May 2021 and was told end of December. I am allegedly number 1 on the list according to my dealer, so I should get the next C2 dealer gets allocated. Time will tell. Not sure if they say the same to all.

Pivo

274 posts

17 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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It is good business to have unsaturated demand, with production pre-sold a year in advance.

I suspect that Porsche AG has severe supply chain disruptions, as I saw a build-to-promise chart at the OPC (issued by Porsche GB) with diff derivatives of the 911 promised in diff quarters. E.g. if you place deposit in Dec-21, you should have new Carrera delivered in 3Q2023; Carrera S was 4Q2023; Carrera GTS was 2Q2023.

EC2

1,249 posts

235 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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Pivo said:
It is good business to have unsaturated demand, with production pre-sold a year in advance.

I suspect that Porsche AG has severe supply chain disruptions, as I saw a build-to-promise chart at the OPC (issued by Porsche GB) with diff derivatives of the 911 promised in diff quarters. E.g. if you place deposit in Dec-21, you should have new Carrera delivered in 3Q2023; Carrera S was 4Q2023; Carrera GTS was 2Q2023.
It will not be just supply constraints but also intentional rationing of ICE cars to match CO2 targets and fines.

flyer911

162 posts

204 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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Of course the system is very different for GT cars, i.e. GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, GT4RS. If you are a special customer, you might have a chance of getting a car. If you are a normal punter who maybe orders a Porsche every 2 years or so you will be added to the list but you will never get a car as the special customers will always jump the queue and therefore always be ahead of you. Special customers are people who buy a lot of Porsches, famous people and probably above all, those who have a very close relationship with the dealer principal. The situation is not helped by the fact that GT cars are produced in limited numbers.

av185

16,339 posts

109 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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flyer911 said:
Of course the system is very different for GT cars, i.e. GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, GT4RS. If you are a special customer, you might have a chance of getting a car. If you are a normal punter who maybe orders a Porsche every 2 years or so you will be added to the list but you will never get a car as the special customers will always jump the queue and therefore always be ahead of you. Special customers are people who buy a lot of Porsches, famous people and probably above all, those who have a very close relationship with the dealer principal. The situation is not helped by the fact that GT cars are produced in limited numbers.
Especially the GT2.....

Pivo

274 posts

17 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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flyer911 said:
Of course the system is very different for GT cars, i.e. GT2, GT2RS, GT3, GT3RS, GT4RS. If you are a special customer, you might have a chance of getting a car. If you are a normal punter who maybe orders a Porsche every 2 years or so you will be added to the list but you will never get a car as the special customers will always jump the queue and therefore always be ahead of you. Special customers are people who buy a lot of Porsches, famous people and probably above all, those who have a very close relationship with the dealer principal. The situation is not helped by the fact that GT cars are produced in limited numbers.
Fair point, the DP list for GT cars is a different story. Few Illuminati know how it works biggrin

Panamax

1,683 posts

16 months

Monday 27th December 2021
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Dealers don't only sell new cars, they sell used cars as well - and used cars can be highly profitable. The manufacturer makes nothing from the sale of used cars but will want a high priced used market to protect the high selling price of new cars. Making and selling cars is a big machine with many interacting parts.

The manufacturer doesn't usually care who new cars are sold to; it just wants them sold. However, they want an orderly market so will lean on dealers in subtle ways to ensure they're not, for instance, auctioning build slots.

Some customers are "regulars" who want a new car every two years so will always have at least one order in the pipeline.

The world is full of Porsches. If you want one, buy one.
If you want a brand new one of a sought-after model, be prepared to wait.

Pivo

274 posts

17 months

Tuesday 28th December 2021
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Panamax said:
Dealers don't only sell new cars, they sell used cars as well - and used cars can be highly profitable. The manufacturer makes nothing from the sale of used cars but will want a high priced used market to protect the high selling price of new cars. Making and selling cars is a big machine with many interacting parts.

The manufacturer doesn't usually care who new cars are sold to; it just wants them sold. However, they want an orderly market so will lean on dealers in subtle ways to ensure they're not, for instance, auctioning build slots.

Some customers are "regulars" who want a new car every two years so will always have at least one order in the pipeline.

The world is full of Porsches. If you want one, buy one.
If you want a brand new one of a sought-after model, be prepared to wait.
Well said @Panamax , in addition many vehicle manufacturers make more money on Parts & Accessories, than on new cars. I suspect Porsche is one of those OEMs, as they have a large fleet of cars on the road that need to be maintained. And it is incredible that one can buy parts from Porsche for a +50-year old car. That in turn supports the resale value, as you know that you can keep it running for the rest of your natural life, if you wanted to.

Davidkn

436 posts

86 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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Docmem said:
My dealer told me that they have not received any allocation for 992 C2 in last few months. They are expecting allocations in January for March built.
not sure they are telling you the truth there, the allocations for march build were sorted in November, January will be for May build and June delivery.

arcamalpha

1,020 posts

146 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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I think it varies. I know people who had a build slot confirmed just two mo the before the actual build is done. I think it depends on how quickly the dealer gets their allocation and how quickly they work through their customers.

Docmem

Original Poster:

174 posts

226 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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Davidkn said:
Docmem said:
My dealer told me that they have not received any allocation for 992 C2 in last few months. They are expecting allocations in January for March built.
not sure they are telling you the truth there, the allocations for march build were sorted in November, January will be for May build and June delivery.
This is the last email from my dealer hence I asked the question here..

(My apologies for not getting back to you, we have received some of q1 allocation however as of yet we have not received any Carrera 2 slots, with this in mind the earliest that we will now receive your build slot will be March and if this is the case the vehicle will be delivered in April)

I suppose time will tell.

undred orse

819 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th December 2021
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I’m also waiting on an allocation - for a gts 2 cab. I ordered in September and was told to expect a car in q2. I’ve had no further news save for an indication that nothing had changed in December. If delivery were to take place in may or June when would be the last time to expect an allocation by? What is the usual lockdown of spec before build?

Thanks in advance. I’ve had a few Boxster in the past and never had to wait for an allocation so it’s all a bit new and to be honest I’m a bit worried about whether it’ll happen as promised. Very excited at the same time by the car.