911 Carrera S (992) availability

[GT4P]

IMHO the speculators will soon be withdrawing their orders as there will be no profit to be had and the waiting lists will shorten!

[RevHappy]

jdwoodbury said:

I ordered my 992 C2S in August 2020 and it was delivered in Nov 2020, wow how times have changed!

That’s when OPC had orders pre booked and allowed customers to adjust the order before the freeze date. Those days are long gone…

[Davidkn]

we should be thankful we dont live in America, with their dealer markup on new cars, some dealers are selling GT3s as $100k over list, and GTS's with a $50k markup on new cars, thats daylight robbery. Thankfully thats not allowed here, the best they can do is sell it to a regular customer, who sells it back to them and then they can then sell it at a markup as a second hand car.

[Pivo]

Davidkn said:

we should be thankful we dont live in America, with their dealer markup on new cars, some dealers are selling GT3s as $100k over list, and GTS's with a $50k markup on new cars, thats daylight robbery. Thankfully thats not allowed here, the best they can do is sell it to a regular customer, who sells it back to them and then they can then sell it at a markup as a second hand car.

I have heard of a-merican mark-ups, but that is insane and this bubble has to pop. We need to keep our heads cool and keep the powder dry.

[Pivo]

I had a call with Porsche GB today and opportunistically I asked about my order for C2S. The lady did see the order on the system and offered to talk to the allocation team. I later got an email with a forecast for end of 2023.

That is rather underwhelming as when I placed an order in Dec 2021, the forecast was 9 months, I thought that was doable and I waited. Today, that is 8 months later, the forecast is ~24 months. All the excuses aside, that is uncool!

[Docmem]

Pivo said:

I had a call with Porsche GB today and opportunistically I asked about my order for C2S. The lady did see the order on the system and offered to talk to the allocation team. I later got an email with a forecast for end of 2023.

That is rather underwhelming as when I placed an order in Dec 2021, the forecast was 9 months, I thought that was doable and I waited. Today, that is 8 months later, the forecast is ~24 months. All the excuses aside, that is uncool!

That’s too bad, I really thought that wait is two years for new customers but it’s for everyone. I booked in May 2021 and was told that I will very likely get the car by December 21 or at the latest in the first quarter of 2022. Now my car is moved down to November. That’s 18 months wait already. It is too long but what can one do !

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Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:43

[Pivo]

Docmem said:

That’s too bad, I really thought that wait is two years for new customers but it’s for everyone. I booked in May 2021 and was told that I will very likely get the car by December 21 or at the latest in the first quarter of 2022. Now my car is moved down to November. That’s 18 months wait already. It is too long but what can one do !

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Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:43

Within this context EV’s are becoming more attractive proposition… I am wondering if that is not some kind of dr Evil masterplan [tin-hat off]

[EC2]

Pivo said:

Docmem said:

That’s too bad, I really thought that wait is two years for new customers but it’s for everyone. I booked in May 2021 and was told that I will very likely get the car by December 21 or at the latest in the first quarter of 2022. Now my car is moved down to November. That’s 18 months wait already. It is too long but what can one do !

Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:42

Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:43

Within this context EV’s are becoming more attractive proposition… I am wondering if that is not some kind of dr Evil masterplan [tin-hat off]

I do wonder this from both a Porsche perspective and mine. I ordered a base coupe a year ago with no date yet (not digging at dealer) and I’m now wondering whether it is worth it. The standard cars are still expensive, the Taycan can give you the same experience (?) with more seats and has less chance of being viewed as obsolete on a 5-10 year view. The world is changing fast and a base car can be viewed as quite slow compared with the new ranges of EVs. Anyway GPFs make them sound sad compared to cars of old.

[jimbo761]

EC2 said:

Pivo said:

Docmem said:

That’s too bad, I really thought that wait is two years for new customers but it’s for everyone. I booked in May 2021 and was told that I will very likely get the car by December 21 or at the latest in the first quarter of 2022. Now my car is moved down to November. That’s 18 months wait already. It is too long but what can one do !

Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:42

Edited by Docmem on Thursday 18th August 00:43

Within this context EV’s are becoming more attractive proposition… I am wondering if that is not some kind of dr Evil masterplan [tin-hat off]

I do wonder this from both a Porsche perspective and mine. I ordered a base coupe a year ago with no date yet (not digging at dealer) and I’m now wondering whether it is worth it. The standard cars are still expensive, the Taycan can give you the same experience (?) with more seats and has less chance of being viewed as obsolete on a 5-10 year view. The world is changing fast and a base car can be viewed as quite slow compared with the new ranges of EVs. Anyway GPFs make them sound sad compared to cars of old.

Taycans can certainly be quite tax efficient. I looked at one via a company salary sacrifice scheme but the real world range is awful, I can currently get 500 miles out of my base 718 vs maybe around 200+ out of the Taycan which just didn't work for me.

[jdwoodbury]

I don't really think the Taycan offers the same experience as the 992, yes its quick but its also almost a ton heavier! The 992 had always been designed support a hybrid powertrain so I expect we will see that in the future (maybe 992.2). That said I am sure many will loose their appetite for ICE sports cars the closer we get to 2030, and I expect the market to alter quickly in the next few years to recover lost revenue. I think it could be dark days for the sports car market until consumers are assured on the real future beyond 2030 (synthetic fuels, fossil fuel production, EV infrastructure etc.)

JD

[EC2]

jdwoodbury said:

I don't really think the Taycan offers the same experience as the 992, yes its quick but its also almost a ton heavier! The 992 had always been designed support a hybrid powertrain so I expect we will see that in the future (maybe 992.2). That said I am sure many will loose their appetite for ICE sports cars the closer we get to 2030, and I expect the market to alter quickly in the next few years to recover lost revenue. I think it could be dark days for the sports car market until consumers are assured on the real future beyond 2030 (synthetic fuels, fossil fuel production, EV infrastructure etc.)

JD

I thought that at first but it is about half the weight premium you say. I don’t really want a Taycan and don’t have a company car and actually a 200 mile range works for me for the 911 as I take a large SUV whenever I go further. I do wonder if more and more people will be happy with how well, say, the electric Macan handles/accelerates/costs/travels in an increasingly electronically controlled world that the 911 might become irrelevant other than for the special models.

Edited by EC2 on Thursday 18th August 18:13

[manx100red]

I ordered a base 992 in October 2021 and it arrives at the dealers next week.
Dont know if it was coincidence but by May 2022 i did not have a slot and i rang the dealer to switch deposit to a Taycan, the next day they rang to let me know i had a slot for the 992 !

[Docmem]

manx100red said:

I ordered a base 992 in October 2021 and it arrives at the dealers next week.
Dont know if it was coincidence but by May 2022 i did not have a slot and i rang the dealer to switch deposit to a Taycan, the next day they rang to let me know i had a slot for the 992 !

This is a very fast delivery. Which dealer you ordered with? Somehow looks like you have been fast tracked

[ClubsportStr]

Docmem said:

manx100red said:

I ordered a base 992 in October 2021 and it arrives at the dealers next week.
Dont know if it was coincidence but by May 2022 i did not have a slot and i rang the dealer to switch deposit to a Taycan, the next day they rang to let me know i had a slot for the 992 !

This is a very fast delivery. Which dealer you ordered with? Somehow looks like you have been fast tracked

I put deposit down on C2 last August and delivery is September this year .
Taycans are being quoted 2 year delivery if you order now so not worth jumping ship !

[manx100red]

Docmem said:

This is a very fast delivery. Which dealer you ordered with? Somehow looks like you have been fast tracked

Teesside

[MK911]

I must say that there is just something not right about Porsche and the allocations for building these cars. To be ordering a car in Oct21 and having it delivered next month, when some of us ordered in Q1 2021 and still haven’t had notification of their cars being built - is just wrong!
Some have now been pushed out further to Nov this year also!

[ClubsportStr]

MK911 said:

I must say that there is just something not right about Porsche and the allocations for building these cars. To be ordering a car in Oct21 and having it delivered next month, when some of us ordered in Q1 2021 and still haven’t had notification of their cars being built - is just wrong!
Some have now been pushed out further to Nov this year also!

Each OPC get there own allocation of each model to manage themselves and it depends how many deposit they have in the que to how long you wait and if someone drops out you get moved up the list . also if you ring round other OPC they mostly tell you they only want to sell locally to maintain relationships and get ongoing service and other business from you. If you are dealing with a big dealership they get more allocation of each model than a small dealership. We can complain all we like but they are not going to change their business models until they are struggling to sell cars which isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

[politeperson]

manx100red said:

I ordered a base 992 in October 2021 and it arrives at the dealers next week.
Dont know if it was coincidence but by May 2022 i did not have a slot and i rang the dealer to switch deposit to a Taycan, the next day they rang to let me know i had a slot for the 992 !

Exciting times for you my friend, that is a great car, just done 40,000 in mine, it about perfect for me.

[Pivo]

ClubsportStr said:

I put deposit down on C2 last August and delivery is September this year .

Some guys have all the luck… well played, sir.

[ClubsportStr]

Pivo said:

ClubsportStr said:

I put deposit down on C2 last August and delivery is September this year .

Some guys have all the luck… well played, sir.

Cheers.

You always need some luck. I wasn’t lucky enough to get a GT4 or Spyder allocation. So glad I’m soon to be back in a Porsche.

After my PEC day I think that the standard C2 is fast enough for UK roads , pity it’s not a manual, but let’s see if it delivers enough involvement with the PDK!