911 Carrera S (992) availability

911 Carrera S (992) availability

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Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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anonymous said:
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Having waited that long for mine but now got it I would like to tell you how wrong you are.

Pivo

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1,082 posts

35 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely specd 911 as a daily driver?

I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
If I can't have boxer-6-cyl motor, I would go back to inline-6-cyl motor.
Depreciation is heavy, but the car is a decent daily driver.

Jeremy-75qq8

1,022 posts

92 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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I have an allocation for June delivery and I can fully understand the frustrations. I was in the same position and called the dealer principal as I felt I was being given a line.

A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.

My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.

I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.

I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago

GT4RS

4,425 posts

197 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I have an allocation for June delivery and I can fully understand the frustrations. I was in the same position and called the dealer principal as I felt I was being given a line.

A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.

My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.

I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.

I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago
What you say is correct, they are currently focused on building higher value / higher profit cars.

They have been since covid.

rawenghey

483 posts

21 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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anonymous said:
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Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway.

GT4RS

4,425 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.

They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.

It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.

In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.

Why treat customers this way?


Trufit

73 posts

182 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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rawenghey said:
Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway.
The problem with buying a similarly spec’d used one is that, for the past few years, there has not been much of a difference in price. This may change but used prices are still quite strong so it’s a case of balancing the long wait against the cost saving - I’m quite patient and tight so I waited!

xxxx5

133 posts

57 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely spec'd 911 as a daily driver?

I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
Finmac, that's the main issue. I have always wanted a 911, and having had the experience of buying both my Cayman and Taycan new, I want the 911 experience of specing and having "my" car. I have had BMW's but the new styling is just odd for my liking. Dont like Merc, and had terrible customer service at Audi in the past so that would be a no. Its a first world issue, but I will probably just hang out there for another year for my allocation to pop up!. I did think about a Lotus but reliability worries me, plus my nearest dealer is 50+ miles away.

Jeremy-75qq8

1,022 posts

92 months

Monday 3rd April 2023
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GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.

They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.

It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.

In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.

Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable.

DMC2

1,834 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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Jeremy-75qq8 said:
GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.

They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.

It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.

In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.

Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable.
I also agree. I've dealt with sales people at three different OPCs over the past six months when I bought 3 different cars, and not one of them was a 'Porsche' person. None of them knew the cars, none of them had driven the cars I was buying. No historical knowledge, all had to go find out answers to basic spec questions. I don't know why but it really affects the purchasing experience as you now feel like you are being a VW Golf rather than a Porsche. But hey, where else would I go. Tried other brands and they are just as bad if not worse.

Joscal

2,078 posts

200 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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Alas it seems to be the way of the world my industry (materials handling) is exactly the same. Move metal, zero care for the staff, customer, dealer or suppliers.

I blame spreadsheets and accountants!

GT4RS

4,425 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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DMC2 said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.

They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.

It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.

In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.

Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable.
I also agree. I've dealt with sales people at three different OPCs over the past six months when I bought 3 different cars, and not one of them was a 'Porsche' person. None of them knew the cars, none of them had driven the cars I was buying. No historical knowledge, all had to go find out answers to basic spec questions. I don't know why but it really affects the purchasing experience as you now feel like you are being a VW Golf rather than a Porsche. But hey, where else would I go. Tried other brands and they are just as bad if not worse.
I guess we may need to look at the wider picture here, is it porsche Uk not interested in taking more allocations of 911 cars as they can make more money out of their suv range and elec cars or is it porsche Germany calling the shots and are they the ones reducing numbers of new 911 cars to create a ‘Rolex’ style Uk market place?

Jeremy-75qq8

1,022 posts

92 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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The cars a good bit to be frank not that good.

I like them. I had a 911 carrera sport coupe for 20years , boxter , Cayenne,992. I am not an expert but I know them.

They are good looking , quick , reliable and nice to drive. They are also ( or were ) pretty affordable when compared to Ferrari etc al.

As the price point goes up and up I think the dynamics will change. The dealerships and their dealers are not that special. You are just a slightly less mass market part of the vw group.

I am not knocking them at all. I have just dropped £110k on a 992 but they risk alienating their own market. some of the prices on their web site for new Cayenne with delivery miles are eye watering. The Cayenne is a jolly nice car - but not at over 911 money.




finmac

1,517 posts

238 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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xxxx5 said:
finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely spec'd 911 as a daily driver?

I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
Finmac, that's the main issue. I have always wanted a 911, and having had the experience of buying both my Cayman and Taycan new, I want the 911 experience of specing and having "my" car. I have had BMW's but the new styling is just odd for my liking. Dont like Merc, and had terrible customer service at Audi in the past so that would be a no. Its a first world issue, but I will probably just hang out there for another year for my allocation to pop up!. I did think about a Lotus but reliability worries me, plus my nearest dealer is 50+ miles away.
Big issue with BMW/Merc/Audi is the depreciation can be brutal on new cars. Have had a few Lotus including an Exige 410 in the garage just now. Love them, but it ain’t a daily driver for sure! And as I said before, there’s the rub, can’t think of another car as much an all rounder as a 911….

Pivo-T

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1,082 posts

35 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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911 is an icon, halo model, it needs a bit of mystique, exclusivity and scarcity… but 2-years waiting list is just stupid. It is turning enthusiasts away. It can’t be good for business.

Jeremy-75qq8

1,022 posts

92 months

Tuesday 4th April 2023
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My father was a lotus dealer and whilst they made nothing on sales the service business did us all right !

Would I buy one? Never. My dad drove a Mercedes sl !

Pivo-T

Original Poster:

1,082 posts

35 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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I read in the latest Car magazine (issue 731) that the 911 availability will improve from the end of the year. Porsche is moving 718 Boxster / Cayman production to Karmann plant in Osnabrück.

This will increase 911 capacity in Zuffenhausen by ~30%. Great news for the enthusiasts! Flippers, not so much.

Charlie_1

1,013 posts

92 months

Thursday 18th May 2023
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rawenghey said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway.
Dont agree I currently have a Boxster GTS 4.0 which I waited 10 months for point being I got exactly what I wanted and at that point price difference was pretty much nothing and spending that much I want to get what I want , also yes a 911 is special

franki68

10,397 posts

221 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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I was at opc yesterday ,when enquiring previously I was told circa 12 months for a gts or turbo .
Tested a car wasn’t for me and mysteriously they suddenly had 6 or 7 cars with july production still spec able if I wanted .
(Gts/turbo models) .

Pivo-T

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1,082 posts

35 months

Friday 19th May 2023
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I got a call from my OPC today that I have an allocation for my long awaited 992 C2S.

I replied that is awesome, but I am about to receive a 992 T and I want 992.2 as my next car, so I will skip this allocation.

It is clear that Porsche is increasing the 992 C2 and C2S allocations.