911 Carrera S (992) availability
Discussion
finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely specd 911 as a daily driver?
I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
If I can't have boxer-6-cyl motor, I would go back to inline-6-cyl motor.I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
Depreciation is heavy, but the car is a decent daily driver.
I have an allocation for June delivery and I can fully understand the frustrations. I was in the same position and called the dealer principal as I felt I was being given a line.
A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.
My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.
I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.
I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago
A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.
My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.
I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.
I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I have an allocation for June delivery and I can fully understand the frustrations. I was in the same position and called the dealer principal as I felt I was being given a line.
A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.
My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.
I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.
I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago
What you say is correct, they are currently focused on building higher value / higher profit cars. A long wait list is ok if it is real. When you punters think it is not it works against you.
My view is that sales should be have nothing to do with allocations. You should just be put on a list with Porsche U.K. and when you are up your car arrives.
I can’t see how the complex system of dealer allocations works for anyone. The dealer ends up with pissed off customers. The dealer is also limited by their allocations as Opposed to their ability to sell. Everyone seems to loose.
I do know from my discussion with the dealer principal that they make more of the high value cars as to be blunt they make more money. I was offered 2 x gts by Porsche Reading ( not my dealer - I just got my car serviced there ) in a 3 week period. I wanted a cab and did not want to spend gts money but if I had I could have had it some months ago
They have been since covid.
anonymous said:
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Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway. In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.
They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
rawenghey said:
Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway.
The problem with buying a similarly spec’d used one is that, for the past few years, there has not been much of a difference in price. This may change but used prices are still quite strong so it’s a case of balancing the long wait against the cost saving - I’m quite patient and tight so I waited!finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely spec'd 911 as a daily driver?
I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
Finmac, that's the main issue. I have always wanted a 911, and having had the experience of buying both my Cayman and Taycan new, I want the 911 experience of specing and having "my" car. I have had BMW's but the new styling is just odd for my liking. Dont like Merc, and had terrible customer service at Audi in the past so that would be a no. Its a first world issue, but I will probably just hang out there for another year for my allocation to pop up!. I did think about a Lotus but reliability worries me, plus my nearest dealer is 50+ miles away. I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.
They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable. They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.
They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable. They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
DMC2 said:
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
GT4RS said:
In my opinion our porsche dealerships have sadly change over the last 15 years. They are becoming like a bmw or merc sales operation, it’s all about volume car sales now. SUV vehicles and electric Tycan are what they are most concerned with, oh and selling finance pcp packages at 11 % with every deal.
They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
I agree. It is miserable. They probably sell more than 3 times the amount of Cayennes than 911 nowadays and the cayman could now be their lowest volume car.
It’s a business and moving forward they will concentrate heavy on what ever makes them the most money.
In my opinion being made to wait 1.5 to 2 years for a new 911 is very poor customer service and will end up being bad for business.
Why treat customers this way?
The cars a good bit to be frank not that good.
I like them. I had a 911 carrera sport coupe for 20years , boxter , Cayenne,992. I am not an expert but I know them.
They are good looking , quick , reliable and nice to drive. They are also ( or were ) pretty affordable when compared to Ferrari etc al.
As the price point goes up and up I think the dynamics will change. The dealerships and their dealers are not that special. You are just a slightly less mass market part of the vw group.
I am not knocking them at all. I have just dropped £110k on a 992 but they risk alienating their own market. some of the prices on their web site for new Cayenne with delivery miles are eye watering. The Cayenne is a jolly nice car - but not at over 911 money.
I like them. I had a 911 carrera sport coupe for 20years , boxter , Cayenne,992. I am not an expert but I know them.
They are good looking , quick , reliable and nice to drive. They are also ( or were ) pretty affordable when compared to Ferrari etc al.
As the price point goes up and up I think the dynamics will change. The dealerships and their dealers are not that special. You are just a slightly less mass market part of the vw group.
I am not knocking them at all. I have just dropped £110k on a 992 but they risk alienating their own market. some of the prices on their web site for new Cayenne with delivery miles are eye watering. The Cayenne is a jolly nice car - but not at over 911 money.
xxxx5 said:
finmac said:
There’s the rub with the massive 911 waits. Genuinely interested in What other brands/cars would you look at/are direct replacement for a nicely spec'd 911 as a daily driver?
I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
Finmac, that's the main issue. I have always wanted a 911, and having had the experience of buying both my Cayman and Taycan new, I want the 911 experience of specing and having "my" car. I have had BMW's but the new styling is just odd for my liking. Dont like Merc, and had terrible customer service at Audi in the past so that would be a no. Its a first world issue, but I will probably just hang out there for another year for my allocation to pop up!. I did think about a Lotus but reliability worries me, plus my nearest dealer is 50+ miles away. I mean In terms of use ability/performance/running costs and depreciation.
I read in the latest Car magazine (issue 731) that the 911 availability will improve from the end of the year. Porsche is moving 718 Boxster / Cayman production to Karmann plant in Osnabrück.
This will increase 911 capacity in Zuffenhausen by ~30%. Great news for the enthusiasts! Flippers, not so much.
This will increase 911 capacity in Zuffenhausen by ~30%. Great news for the enthusiasts! Flippers, not so much.
rawenghey said:
anonymous said:
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Agreed. 1.5 years of your life waiting for a car. Unless you've got a garage full of other interesting stuff fair enough, but a lot of people here seem to be genuinely waiting. F that. I'd buy a decent enough used one. They're almost always speced within an inch of each other anyway. Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff