992 Turbo Cab or 992 Turbo S Cab?
Discussion
I'm sorry if this topic has been covered already, (although I couldn't find anything). I need to decide on which 911 Cab to buy and which will suit me best.
At present, my order is for a Carrera 4S Cab, as I knew I wanted AWD but hadn't really given much thought to the Turbo models. I knew I didn't want a GTS, as I don't want the firmer suspension set up and won't be tracking the car.
So, my spec for the 4S cab was around 145k, a Turbo Cab is coming out at around 169k, and 190k for the Turbo S.
I do prefer the more aggressive look of the Turbo variants, the question is, is the Turbo S worth the extra £££'s?
Also, as a longterm investment, will the standard Turbo be snubbed in the future, as it will be always seen as the lesser model, compared to the Turbo S?
Your thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
At present, my order is for a Carrera 4S Cab, as I knew I wanted AWD but hadn't really given much thought to the Turbo models. I knew I didn't want a GTS, as I don't want the firmer suspension set up and won't be tracking the car.
So, my spec for the 4S cab was around 145k, a Turbo Cab is coming out at around 169k, and 190k for the Turbo S.
I do prefer the more aggressive look of the Turbo variants, the question is, is the Turbo S worth the extra £££'s?
Also, as a longterm investment, will the standard Turbo be snubbed in the future, as it will be always seen as the lesser model, compared to the Turbo S?
Your thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by Mulsanne-Speed on Friday 27th May 21:20
If you have to ask……
Seriously though, I was looking for a low mileage, Cab and talked myself into a Turbo. The right car came up but was a Turbo S.
I’m now rather stupidly looking at used prices having bought a used car w 4K miles. Being a TS, I could potentially get out of it for quite a margin over a non S.
It got me thinking - if buying new, what would I go for?
Answer unfortunately is - go big!
It’s an illogical position from a performance POV as a GTS has more than enough….. a Turbo is insane! A TS is beyond any normal persons capability.
BUT - it’s the top of the tree. People want the ‘best’. Do it or you may always wish you did.
If buying new, would I compromise? Nope.
That may not be what you want to hear? But I think secretly, it is
Seriously though, I was looking for a low mileage, Cab and talked myself into a Turbo. The right car came up but was a Turbo S.
I’m now rather stupidly looking at used prices having bought a used car w 4K miles. Being a TS, I could potentially get out of it for quite a margin over a non S.
It got me thinking - if buying new, what would I go for?
Answer unfortunately is - go big!
It’s an illogical position from a performance POV as a GTS has more than enough….. a Turbo is insane! A TS is beyond any normal persons capability.
BUT - it’s the top of the tree. People want the ‘best’. Do it or you may always wish you did.
If buying new, would I compromise? Nope.
That may not be what you want to hear? But I think secretly, it is
Thanks for your comments Slaav.
TBH, I'm not going to be driving this car particularly hard, so maximum performance isn't everything. I just want some open top motoring for our holiday home in France, in a car which is smaller and more manageable than I'm used to.
If you look at the "My Garage" tab, you'll see that money really isn't the issue.
I feel that the Turbo is probably more than enough for me, so I was going that way, but I don't want to buy a model that will be considered undesirable at time of resale, because the Turbo S is the one that everyone wants.
Based on your thoughts, I think you've answered my question, and I think it probably does have to be the Turbo S.
Thanks for your help
TBH, I'm not going to be driving this car particularly hard, so maximum performance isn't everything. I just want some open top motoring for our holiday home in France, in a car which is smaller and more manageable than I'm used to.
If you look at the "My Garage" tab, you'll see that money really isn't the issue.
I feel that the Turbo is probably more than enough for me, so I was going that way, but I don't want to buy a model that will be considered undesirable at time of resale, because the Turbo S is the one that everyone wants.
Based on your thoughts, I think you've answered my question, and I think it probably does have to be the Turbo S.
Thanks for your help
Mine was a combination of financial considerations but also silly mission creep!
Budget was low £80s and went over 50% higher!
This may be a keeper - it’s insane and a true all rounder. We hope to get down to Cap Ferrat in it late August. It can be all things to all men (& women obvs)
If money is not the driver, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t go for the S to be honest.
Ps - to bring some sanity to the chat, I can also understand why they have soo many owners; I’ve considered whether even a Turbo is needed in this country but then I get in it and smile…. It’s a keeper!
Budget was low £80s and went over 50% higher!
This may be a keeper - it’s insane and a true all rounder. We hope to get down to Cap Ferrat in it late August. It can be all things to all men (& women obvs)
If money is not the driver, I’m not sure why you wouldn’t go for the S to be honest.
Ps - to bring some sanity to the chat, I can also understand why they have soo many owners; I’ve considered whether even a Turbo is needed in this country but then I get in it and smile…. It’s a keeper!
If you get the Turbo make sure you don't over tick the options and end up with a Turbo for Turbo S money. Keep the Turbo sans options and it makes a lot of sense. The one benefit of the Turbo over the TS is the former has five lug wheels whereas the latter has the pain in the butt centre locks.
You won't miss the extra oomph as the Turbo is already too powerful to fully exploit on public roads.
You won't miss the extra oomph as the Turbo is already too powerful to fully exploit on public roads.
Thanks Slaav
It's a really tricky one for me, while money isn't particularly tight, I'm still very much aware of it's value and I have to ask myself whether just short of £200k is too much for a sunny day holiday car.
One thing that does seem to be the case with Porsche though, is that they seem to hold their value better than almost any other premium brand, which is reassuring. Also, what I'm hearing from you, is that this really is a special car, so I'm going to go that way.
I doubt I'll be disappointed, and I suspect the extra paid at time of purchase over the standard Turbo, will likely still be there at time of resale.
Many thanks again.
It's a really tricky one for me, while money isn't particularly tight, I'm still very much aware of it's value and I have to ask myself whether just short of £200k is too much for a sunny day holiday car.
One thing that does seem to be the case with Porsche though, is that they seem to hold their value better than almost any other premium brand, which is reassuring. Also, what I'm hearing from you, is that this really is a special car, so I'm going to go that way.
I doubt I'll be disappointed, and I suspect the extra paid at time of purchase over the standard Turbo, will likely still be there at time of resale.
Many thanks again.
Thanks Taffy66 - I did notice while spec'ing the Turbo S, that some options were standard, which were at extra cost on the Turbo.
All in all, I think the difference on my builds is about £21k between the Turbo and Turbo S.
In terms of the wheel centre locks, I hear what you're saying, but isn't that only any issue when you're changing tyres? If so, as my miles will probably be quite low, I'm not sure it's a big issue, or am I missing something else?
Also, where do you stand on this Taffy - Would you go Turbo, or Turbo S?
Finally, I think I read that the 0-60 time between the two variants is 0.1 seconds - Therefore, is the Turbo S purely a case of oneupmanship, and if so, is the only real consideration here, longterm residual / resale values?
All in all, I think the difference on my builds is about £21k between the Turbo and Turbo S.
In terms of the wheel centre locks, I hear what you're saying, but isn't that only any issue when you're changing tyres? If so, as my miles will probably be quite low, I'm not sure it's a big issue, or am I missing something else?
Also, where do you stand on this Taffy - Would you go Turbo, or Turbo S?
Finally, I think I read that the 0-60 time between the two variants is 0.1 seconds - Therefore, is the Turbo S purely a case of oneupmanship, and if so, is the only real consideration here, longterm residual / resale values?
My decision would be based on expected delivery times. If there is no difference in timing I would always choose the Turbo S with no options as in complete contrast to other Porsches Its very well equipped as standard. Another thing I would avoid the Sports exhaust as I much prefer the look of the standard four quad tips.
I've still got quite a few options on the Turbo S, mainly things like Front Axle Lift and extra leather detail which I like to add to reduce the amount of plastic.
100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S.
100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S.
Mulsanne-Speed said:
I've still got quite a few options on the Turbo S, mainly things like Front Axle Lift and extra leather detail which I like to add to reduce the amount of plastic.
100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S.
The four quad is standard on the TS or it was last year in uk. You will not notice the extra power of the Turbo s in normal to spirited driving. Its only when you get the engines on full boost that you will notice the extra grunt. The car is that fast that you will find yourself having to lift off well before full power is reached in every day use. You will find yourself seeking out quiet roads and times.100% with you on the Sports Exhaust Taffy, although I prefer the four quad with silver tips, which unfortunately isn't an option on the Turbo S.
You will have a ball which ever one you choose. The wait is the hardest thing.
Thanks Benelux - The four quad pipe is standard on the Turbo S, but only in black, not silver as is the case with the Turbo S
Thanks also MHH, it's a good point about not compromising - I suppose ultimately for me though, because I won't track the car, neither will I really press on it too hard, comfort is going to be a deciding factor.
I noticed that PDCC is standard on the Turbo S, stating that it provides "an active roll stabilisation system with an ultra sporty setup", Therefore, does PDCC give a firmer ride?
Also, PASM -10mm..... Does this firm things up all the time, or is it adjustable?
In short, does PASM simply improve performance, or does it also provide a softer more comfortable drive than the standard set up - Or will the standard set up always provide the most comfortable ride?
Thanks again all for sharing your knowledge
Thanks also MHH, it's a good point about not compromising - I suppose ultimately for me though, because I won't track the car, neither will I really press on it too hard, comfort is going to be a deciding factor.
I noticed that PDCC is standard on the Turbo S, stating that it provides "an active roll stabilisation system with an ultra sporty setup", Therefore, does PDCC give a firmer ride?
Also, PASM -10mm..... Does this firm things up all the time, or is it adjustable?
In short, does PASM simply improve performance, or does it also provide a softer more comfortable drive than the standard set up - Or will the standard set up always provide the most comfortable ride?
Thanks again all for sharing your knowledge
Edited by Mulsanne-Speed on Saturday 28th May 09:12
mhh said:
Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S!
You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
I’ve got (what I assume is) the previous incarnation of these wheels on our TS.You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
I like the look of centre locks. We don’t do huge miles but do use it….
HOWEVER, as a leading Independent said to me - ‘you only need to be stranded once in the South of France with centre locks to know you shouldn’t have them’ or words to that effect.
The work around is a collapsible tool that you carry I believe but the SMALL chance of it going wrong with CL was enough for me.
And it’s nice to be slightly different sometimes? I think it’s a cost free option to change out? Could be wrong there.
Front axle lift is handy. Are you a multi function - aka rather busy - steering wheel sort of owner? It does allow heating but our car warms up pretty quickly!
Will have a look at spec and see what I would change/consider after having ours (and using it) for 18m.
Whatever you end up doing, they are bloody awesome!
It really is the closest thing to an every day ‘super car’ without the bling…… I take it to Waitrose and can get a full week’s shopping in with ‘normal’ mode. Docile as hell.
Popped out for ‘milk’ the other day (actually some steak from butchers) and went the ‘long way’ - may have got distracted and used Sport+ on occasion.
Wife just looked at me and smiled when I returned grinning - a bit like a mother would smile at a rather pathetic young child I hasten to add
Thanks for the info Slaav.
So from what I understand (unless I've misunderstood), changing a wheel on a 911 with CL wheels is not a straightforward process?
Front axle lift is £1,700 which seems a bit steep, but I guess the last thing I want is an expensive front paint / bodywork repair, or worse still, the pain I'd feel when hearing the scrape!!
I suppose the tricky bit is, looking at the road ahead and knowing whether:
A. The extra 4cm will save you
B. The extra 4cm is necessary to require the lift
So I guess if I'm not entirely sure when to use it, is there any point having it - A bit more thought needed on that one......
I would probably select the heated steering wheel, as it is a nice touch when cold, bit I try to avoid too much in terms of steering wheel functions and especially screens. My daily driver and the car I do the most miles in, is a 15 year old Range Rover, everything has a button and they work every time you may contact with them - The car's only worth about £5k but I love it!
"Will have a look at spec and see what I would change/consider after having ours (and using it) for 18m" - Thanks Slaav, would be good to know your thoughts on this.
Ultimately, it sounds like a great car either way, Turbo or Turbo S - and a good looking one at that!
So from what I understand (unless I've misunderstood), changing a wheel on a 911 with CL wheels is not a straightforward process?
Front axle lift is £1,700 which seems a bit steep, but I guess the last thing I want is an expensive front paint / bodywork repair, or worse still, the pain I'd feel when hearing the scrape!!
I suppose the tricky bit is, looking at the road ahead and knowing whether:
A. The extra 4cm will save you
B. The extra 4cm is necessary to require the lift
So I guess if I'm not entirely sure when to use it, is there any point having it - A bit more thought needed on that one......
I would probably select the heated steering wheel, as it is a nice touch when cold, bit I try to avoid too much in terms of steering wheel functions and especially screens. My daily driver and the car I do the most miles in, is a 15 year old Range Rover, everything has a button and they work every time you may contact with them - The car's only worth about £5k but I love it!
"Will have a look at spec and see what I would change/consider after having ours (and using it) for 18m" - Thanks Slaav, would be good to know your thoughts on this.
Ultimately, it sounds like a great car either way, Turbo or Turbo S - and a good looking one at that!
Interesting topic for myself.
I have ordered a C4s cab in crayon thats scheduled for Q2 next year, and upon speccing it realised that for a wee chunk more i am in turbo territory, and whilst in turbo territory you are as well speccing the S as it makes more sense than expensive options on the turbo.
I have a shark blue turbo s scheduled for q4 2023 which I shall just chop the 4s in for.
I havn't added lift, as it cannot be any lower than my McLaren and very seldom use lift on that.
To be honest, the s spec is pretty decent as is and havnt added many options; its current build price is £188k.
When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that.
I have ordered a C4s cab in crayon thats scheduled for Q2 next year, and upon speccing it realised that for a wee chunk more i am in turbo territory, and whilst in turbo territory you are as well speccing the S as it makes more sense than expensive options on the turbo.
I have a shark blue turbo s scheduled for q4 2023 which I shall just chop the 4s in for.
I havn't added lift, as it cannot be any lower than my McLaren and very seldom use lift on that.
To be honest, the s spec is pretty decent as is and havnt added many options; its current build price is £188k.
When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that.
Seems like you've been down exactly the same road as me wheelspinning 
Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer.
In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2?
Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer.
In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2?
mhh said:
Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S!
You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
Conversely, if you press on to the summit chances are you’ll say “Hmm. The view here is almost identical to what it was down there”. You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
But you will have the bragging rights that come with summiting.
Mulsanne-Speed said:
Seems like you've been down exactly the same road as me wheelspinning
Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer.
In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2?
Yup...very similar paths!Out of interest, when you say "When the turbo s arrives it should be a 992.2, so shall see what changes arrive with that", are you referring to the Shark Blue one, or if you decide to switch your C4S order - I've already been told that my order could be a 992 Gen 2, I've also been told that if I switch to Turbo S it may take slightly longer.
In short, do you think if we switch our C4S orders to Turbo S, we'll get 992 Gen 2?
I'm not sure when the 992.2 version arrives, but it was indicated to me the turbo s in Q4 2023 would definitely be gen 2.
I just kept the c4s cab order as they shall most likely still do strong prices so we can run about in it for 6mths and lose next to no money awaiting the turbo s cab.
Deposits were £5k and £10k.
I shall be putting a deposit down on another turbo s cab in October as that should arrive Q2 2024 and trade in again.
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