992 Turbo Cab or 992 Turbo S Cab?
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I think I'm missing a trick here Spinningwheel........ I wish I'd done similar.
I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take.
On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back.
I think you've done the right thing.
I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take.
On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back.
I think you've done the right thing.
Mulsanne-Speed said:
I think I'm missing a trick here Spinningwheel........ I wish I'd done similar.
I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take.
On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back.
I think you've done the right thing.
Tooo similar..I've had a new Range Rover on order for 8 months now (still not slotted), and I'm not sure how long this 911 is going to take.
On reflection, I should have put two deposits down with two dealers for each car and see which came in first. As you say, the others will always sell at a profit, at least for the next 6-12 months, worse case scenario, I'd always at least get my money back.
I think you've done the right thing.
I am also awaiting a new RR.
I put deposit down on launch day back in maybe October, but changed it to the plug in hybrid when that was announced in Feb.
No build slot yet but they seem very confident its coming in July.
Made a mess of that one as I should of kept my launch edition order and also ordered they hybrid as I may already of had it here, then sold / traded it against the plug in when it arrives.
The Porsche thing has made the DP my new best friend and I am twisting his arm for a 992.2 GT3 without having to buy Cayennes etc I have zero interest in.
BlackWidow13 said:
mhh said:
Would you climb Mt Everest and stop a few ledges short of the top and say “This’ll do. The view is almost the same. I’ll head back”? Get the Turbo S!
You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
Conversely, if you press on to the summit chances are you’ll say “Hmm. The view here is almost identical to what it was down there”. You don’t need to have centrelocks on your Turbo S. I’ve got bolts on mine - just arrived at Reading.
But you will have the bragging rights that come with summiting.
Wheelspinning said:
Tooo similar..
I am also awaiting a new RR.
I put deposit down on launch day back in maybe October, but changed it to the plug in hybrid when that was announced in Feb.
No build slot yet but they seem very confident its coming in July.
Made a mess of that one as I should of kept my launch edition order and also ordered they hybrid as I may already of had it here, then sold / traded it against the plug in when it arrives.
The Porsche thing has made the DP my new best friend and I am twisting his arm for a 992.2 GT3 without having to buy Cayennes etc I have zero interest in.
I can't believe you've said this!!!!!!!I am also awaiting a new RR.
I put deposit down on launch day back in maybe October, but changed it to the plug in hybrid when that was announced in Feb.
No build slot yet but they seem very confident its coming in July.
Made a mess of that one as I should of kept my launch edition order and also ordered they hybrid as I may already of had it here, then sold / traded it against the plug in when it arrives.
The Porsche thing has made the DP my new best friend and I am twisting his arm for a 992.2 GT3 without having to buy Cayennes etc I have zero interest in.
Far too similar!!!!!!!
I did exactly the same, changed my P530 Autobiography for a LWB P440e in February, because of the tax benefits of getting my company to pay for it.
Likewise, wish I'd simply placed another order, rather than switch the first one.
It’s great that money is no object and fair play for working hard etc. Quite honestly though, there are no bragging rights for an S over a turbo. It’s a way for Porsche to squeeze you slightly harder for things you really don’t need. Centre locks - will you be doing F1 style pit stops? Ceramic breaks - can you be arsed sorting this out when a stone gets caught and cracks them?
You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy!
You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy!
Grantstown said:
It’s great that money is no object and fair play for working hard etc. Quite honestly though, there are no bragging rights for an S over a turbo. It’s a way for Porsche to squeeze you slightly harder for things you really don’t need. Centre locks - will you be doing F1 style pit stops? Ceramic breaks - can you be arsed sorting this out when a stone gets caught and cracks them?
You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy!
Thanks for your comments Grantstown, some good points made.You don’t need to worry about resale values by the sound of it, so just get the one that has the shortest wait and crack on. Hang on, it’s summer already, just buy one that someone has run in with 1K miles and get it down to the South of France. Enjoy!
I wouldn't say money's no object, in fact I'm still very cautious, I've been completely broke in the past, so old habits die hard.
Interesting what you say though - So these Centre Locks (which I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the disadvantage is with them), are not on the standard Turbo model?
Ceramic Brakes, didn't know this about this - Aren't they expensive to replace if they crack?
Is a stone causing this damage a common occurrence - If so, certainly a consideration.
anonymous said:
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I didn't know this Nathan - Yes you're right, I did dismiss the GTS because I was worried that the suspension may be too firm, so I am slightly concerned at what you're telling me about the Turbo variants.Two questions Nathan:
You say "you can select the softer suspension with the 10mm higher ride height", are you referring to if PASM is selected as an option, or is this a standard adjustment that the car has without PASM?
Secondly, in your opinion, does the Carrera 4S have a softer suspension set up than the Turbo varaints?
Many thanks
Thanks for the information Nathan, I'll see if I can find out more - Although I am now slightly less concerned about suspension, as the majority of miles will be on the lovely smooth French Roads.
Thank you also to Robert, I won't be tracking the car, so hopefully less likely to occur.
Thank you also to Robert, I won't be tracking the car, so hopefully less likely to occur.
Several quick bitty replies/answers….
PCCBs work stunningly well when you ‘need’ them. It’s frightening that you need to get used to them…. No idea about brake fade as don’t have the balls to track mine!
No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth.
Our previous 911 got through several sets of pads per set of discs and we got through at least two sets of discs (maybe 3) in our ownership. 100k for the rather expensive PCCBs seems steep at first but not that bad considering. I’m happy with them and quite like knowing I don’t have a four corner bill every couple of years….. gulp!
Re the CL wheels - 3 piccys which tell a story:
Seems quite normal and EVERYBODY anywhere can change that wheel…..
Remember that number which translates to:
So that is approx 128 nm
Centre locks :
Look closely - 600 nm!!!
To be fair, most of us would just call Porsche assist but if half way to (eg) Lake Garda……
PCCBs work stunningly well when you ‘need’ them. It’s frightening that you need to get used to them…. No idea about brake fade as don’t have the balls to track mine!
No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth.
Our previous 911 got through several sets of pads per set of discs and we got through at least two sets of discs (maybe 3) in our ownership. 100k for the rather expensive PCCBs seems steep at first but not that bad considering. I’m happy with them and quite like knowing I don’t have a four corner bill every couple of years….. gulp!
Re the CL wheels - 3 piccys which tell a story:
Seems quite normal and EVERYBODY anywhere can change that wheel…..
Remember that number which translates to:
So that is approx 128 nm
Centre locks :
Look closely - 600 nm!!!
To be fair, most of us would just call Porsche assist but if half way to (eg) Lake Garda……
Hi Mulsanne-Speed
On the Centre locks you will need to carry various tools to be able to remove and refit the Centre lock wheels yourself or to ensure the tyre centre has the tools to do so. Once you realise what you need to carry that you can actually fit in the car. The importance in porsche or other recovery becomes apparent.
There are various utube videos on how to remove the centre locks so I'll leave you to look at them. I would also get your OPC service Centre to give you a demonstration if they will.
To remove and refit the wheel.
You will need a jack, a spreader clamp to apply the brakes if you don't have a passenger, either
1. a breaker bar with an electronic torque adapter, you may need 1/2"to3/4"socket adapter as well and an extension bar if you can't raise the required torque.
Or 2. a torque multiplier plus a torque wrench capable of adequate torque such as a teng 3492 (if you don't want to use this to undo then you will also need a breaker bar as in 1.)
Or 3. a norbar torque wrench or similar but these are over 1.2 metres long so not very practical to carry in the car.
Or 4. a renntorque centre lock removal tool and a torque wrench.
There are also some companies doing rechargeable battery torque guns but i don't know if they have been approved as yet.
Which ever way you choose to go you would also need the centre cap pin, the center cap socket, the paste, an alignment tool is a good idea also, several rags a chunk of wood for the multiplier and something to protect the seat if using the spreader.
You would also need a tyre repair and puncture kit with the air compressor if your going to attempt to plug the tyre.
Think that's about it, the renntorque way looks to be the easiest but it's by far the most expensive and the tool applies pressure to the wheel spoke which I wouldn't be happy with.
On the Centre locks you will need to carry various tools to be able to remove and refit the Centre lock wheels yourself or to ensure the tyre centre has the tools to do so. Once you realise what you need to carry that you can actually fit in the car. The importance in porsche or other recovery becomes apparent.
There are various utube videos on how to remove the centre locks so I'll leave you to look at them. I would also get your OPC service Centre to give you a demonstration if they will.
To remove and refit the wheel.
You will need a jack, a spreader clamp to apply the brakes if you don't have a passenger, either
1. a breaker bar with an electronic torque adapter, you may need 1/2"to3/4"socket adapter as well and an extension bar if you can't raise the required torque.
Or 2. a torque multiplier plus a torque wrench capable of adequate torque such as a teng 3492 (if you don't want to use this to undo then you will also need a breaker bar as in 1.)
Or 3. a norbar torque wrench or similar but these are over 1.2 metres long so not very practical to carry in the car.
Or 4. a renntorque centre lock removal tool and a torque wrench.
There are also some companies doing rechargeable battery torque guns but i don't know if they have been approved as yet.
Which ever way you choose to go you would also need the centre cap pin, the center cap socket, the paste, an alignment tool is a good idea also, several rags a chunk of wood for the multiplier and something to protect the seat if using the spreader.
You would also need a tyre repair and puncture kit with the air compressor if your going to attempt to plug the tyre.
Think that's about it, the renntorque way looks to be the easiest but it's by far the most expensive and the tool applies pressure to the wheel spoke which I wouldn't be happy with.
What a faff! It’s all a plot to make sure we give all our tyre business to an OPC. 
I’ve done 20,000 miles on the continent in my 991.2 with centrelocks and fortunately have never had a tyre issue. My choice in going for the Fuchs style wheel on my new 992 was driven by a styling preference but there’s a strong argument in favour of the 5 lug nuts if you intend to tour far and wide.
I’ve done 20,000 miles on the continent in my 991.2 with centrelocks and fortunately have never had a tyre issue. My choice in going for the Fuchs style wheel on my new 992 was driven by a styling preference but there’s a strong argument in favour of the 5 lug nuts if you intend to tour far and wide.
Agreed mhh - That does sound like a Faff.
Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful.
Can I just check, a couple of questions:
If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!)
Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit?
Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful.
Can I just check, a couple of questions:
If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!)
Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit?
Slaav said:
Several quick bitty replies/answers….
No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth.
Yeah, absolutely love the L322 Slaav - We covered just over 3,000 miles in it over the last few weeks, and it's still the most comfortable car we've ever owned.No evidence to me of dust at all. Our RR (L322 - spookily , we have an Autobiography 4.4TDV8 that is almost worthless but we love. Several trips across Europe and effortless) does always get through pads and occasionally (ahem) discs with PLENTY of dust and filth.
Essentially it is the same as yours, but ours is a 2007MY powered by the rare 4.4 naturally aspirated V8 petrol Jaguar engine, with 6 speed box. It's so quiet and so comfortable, I'll never part with it.
Seen here pre departure to Italy, and stopping off for the dogs while crossing the French Alps - All rear seats completely removed for maximum dog space. (We have to back on to the verge to enable the dogs to get in and out, I can't lift 60kg and 80kg dogs!).
Maybe a GTS Targa is worth considering ? It sits 10mm higher than the coupe, and has the roof top option when needed.
Oh, and in relation to the centre lock wheels, you could also look to purchase a separate torque multiplier tool which could be kept in the storage area, just in case. These can be bought for around £200.
Oh, and in relation to the centre lock wheels, you could also look to purchase a separate torque multiplier tool which could be kept in the storage area, just in case. These can be bought for around £200.
Edited by Hobo on Monday 30th May 08:21
Mulsanne-Speed said:
Agreed mhh - That does sound like a Faff.
Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful.
Can I just check, a couple of questions:
If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!)
Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit?
No spare wheel and you only get the repair kit if you select the option. The new car will come with 3 year European Porsche assistance.Thank you to both Slaav and Benelux for providing such detailed explanations, that's really useful.
Can I just check, a couple of questions:
If the car is still under warranty, I'm guessing that Porsche will come out and change it for you? (obviously you get shafted on the tyre price!)
Does the 911 Turbo and Turbo S carry a spare wheel, or just a repair kit?
Interesting comments above,
Based on my experience with the lower 10mm, I did think initially that this option on my 992 Turbo S made it seem to " Bouncy" at first, then as soon as the TPIs were set to 30/33 Cold it felt about perfect, Normal felt more compliant on roads than was I recall the same being on 991.2 tts, and the same for sports being a step up also. I had this -10mm option on 2 x 992 TurboS, and both 992 C2S Coupe and Cab, no problems what so ever with regards to harsh a ride as long as TPs are set to the above,
With regards to concerns about CCBDs needing replacing from Aug 13 Porsche moved onto the ceramic coated ones these last way longer than the ones prior. I have done over 200k road and track miles on cars with these CCBDs on over the past 9 years, I have only had to replace one Disc due to excessive stone chips on my Orange 991RS that did over 10k Track miles alone. Even then the disc was fine but it had chips that were outside the 111 Inspection range. With regards to Centre Locks i think comes down to personal choice i have always had this option were available on all my cars, only ever had one Puncture that was fixed with the sealant kit, all other matters like new tyres etc OPC sorts out.
Based on my experience with the lower 10mm, I did think initially that this option on my 992 Turbo S made it seem to " Bouncy" at first, then as soon as the TPIs were set to 30/33 Cold it felt about perfect, Normal felt more compliant on roads than was I recall the same being on 991.2 tts, and the same for sports being a step up also. I had this -10mm option on 2 x 992 TurboS, and both 992 C2S Coupe and Cab, no problems what so ever with regards to harsh a ride as long as TPs are set to the above,
With regards to concerns about CCBDs needing replacing from Aug 13 Porsche moved onto the ceramic coated ones these last way longer than the ones prior. I have done over 200k road and track miles on cars with these CCBDs on over the past 9 years, I have only had to replace one Disc due to excessive stone chips on my Orange 991RS that did over 10k Track miles alone. Even then the disc was fine but it had chips that were outside the 111 Inspection range. With regards to Centre Locks i think comes down to personal choice i have always had this option were available on all my cars, only ever had one Puncture that was fixed with the sealant kit, all other matters like new tyres etc OPC sorts out.
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