991.1 GT3 - Advice on purchase
Discussion
Morning all,
I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in.
I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine.
Some questions:
1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ?
2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !!
3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ...
4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ?
Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ?
The car will live outside all year round.
Any and all advice gratefully received.
Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!!
Thanks in advance.
I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in.
I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine.
Some questions:
1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ?
2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !!
3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ...
4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ?
Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ?
The car will live outside all year round.
Any and all advice gratefully received.
Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!!
Thanks in advance.
1) Yes, in theory any engine fitted to a 991.1, even when updated, could fail. Each series of engines post the E1 has improvements to reduce the likelihood of a failure but they are band aids. If you get the car warrantied by the main dealer you shouldn't have a concern until it reaches 15 years, beyond then I hear rumours some goodwill may be achievable should something go pop
2) I expect not. My take is that if an engine has stayed together for 10 years and you avoid heavy track work it's likely to continue as such, I think future buyers will recognise this. The inflation of everything around a 991.1 will likely help soften any depreciation, regardless, you'll be having enough fun not to care
3) I use mine during the summer for commuting and anything else that makes sense, it's absolutely fine in my view
4) A little, but they are still quite average width. Much smaller than say an F Type
HTH
2) I expect not. My take is that if an engine has stayed together for 10 years and you avoid heavy track work it's likely to continue as such, I think future buyers will recognise this. The inflation of everything around a 991.1 will likely help soften any depreciation, regardless, you'll be having enough fun not to care
3) I use mine during the summer for commuting and anything else that makes sense, it's absolutely fine in my view
4) A little, but they are still quite average width. Much smaller than say an F Type
HTH
Great cars, warranty as above, can be extended.
Easy commute and distance driver. I did 3,500km in 5 days in mine, with 1,100 km in one go, no worries at all very capable. Could even listen to (and hear!) an audio book whilst driving at 140kmph on the peage. Think I even managed 27-28mpg as well!
Looks like the one you have linked has heated seats looking at the buttons on the console.
Seem to have risen in value, mine (very similar spec) 8k miles was £96k in Jan 2020.
Lift is a must IMO.
They are pretty loud as standard but really come alive with a Center bypass
Easy commute and distance driver. I did 3,500km in 5 days in mine, with 1,100 km in one go, no worries at all very capable. Could even listen to (and hear!) an audio book whilst driving at 140kmph on the peage. Think I even managed 27-28mpg as well!
Looks like the one you have linked has heated seats looking at the buttons on the console.
Seem to have risen in value, mine (very similar spec) 8k miles was £96k in Jan 2020.
Lift is a must IMO.
They are pretty loud as standard but really come alive with a Center bypass
Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice.
Hi there
1. Warranty can be extended upto 15 years but buy one with an OPC warranty and extend it before it runs out, keeps it hassle free.
2. Original engines are E, then F and then G0. Replacement engines are G series. My car has an E series still and around 17,500 miles now but it’s done hardly any track work. It’s got 2yr OPC warranty so I never worry about it anyway.
3. Fine as a daily driver just such a great all round car.
4. Had a 997 and the 991 is a little larger but does not feel it to me.
Get one they are absolutely cracking cars that do everything do well.
1. Warranty can be extended upto 15 years but buy one with an OPC warranty and extend it before it runs out, keeps it hassle free.
2. Original engines are E, then F and then G0. Replacement engines are G series. My car has an E series still and around 17,500 miles now but it’s done hardly any track work. It’s got 2yr OPC warranty so I never worry about it anyway.
3. Fine as a daily driver just such a great all round car.
4. Had a 997 and the 991 is a little larger but does not feel it to me.
Get one they are absolutely cracking cars that do everything do well.
dibblecorse said:
Morning all,
I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in.
I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine.
Some questions:
1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ?
2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !!
3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ...
4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ?
Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ?
The car will live outside all year round.
Any and all advice gratefully received.
Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!!
Thanks in advance.
I’d strongly advise finding one with folding bucket seats.I've had my 997.2 GTS just over 2 years now and am considering what next, I did for a little while consider a California T as i do like a convertible but I'm not sure its robust enough to live outside and put 8-10000 miles a year in.
I keep coming back to the 991.1 GT3 as I am not after a car with forced induction and much prefer an NA engine.
Some questions:
1. I have read about the engine issues early one and the 10 year engine warranty, which for many engines is now expiring in the next 12 months or so, have these cars been sorted out by this point or are they all still grenades waiting to go off ?
2. Will values rapidly decline once these are out of warranty, I expect to lose some money but would rather not risk a huge bath !!
3. How are these as semi daily drivers, it would be a PDK and would be used from everything from trips into London and blasts out in the country plus weekends away etc ...
4. Do these feel noticeably bigger on the road than the 997 (fro those that have experience of both generations of car) ?
Something like this seems to be the sweet spot in regards what I would be looking for and is at the top of my budget, closer to 100k the better.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
My only must have on spec is heated seats for the wife !! Not sure the above one has ... were they readily available ?
The car will live outside all year round.
Any and all advice gratefully received.
Its all a long way from my first Porsche, Bluebell the Boxster that was the start of the Poverty Pork thread when I bought her for 3k !!!!
Thanks in advance.
Grantstown said:
Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice.
Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?!Picture for encouragement!
Edited by Mankers on Friday 26th August 21:48
Grantstown said:
Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice.
Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?!Picture for encouragement!
Edited by Mankers on Saturday 27th August 07:43
Do it.
I bought one earlier this year on a bit of a whim after a year in a Boxster Spyder. Whilst the Spyder was very very good the GT3 is on a different level.
I simply love driving it. Even at normal speeds it is engaging but can also cruise around with ease. When you do open it up and start to lean om tje chassis it's impossible not to smile. To top it off, my wife much prefers driving the GT3 to the Spyder.
I didn't worry too much about spec, engine concerns etc. Just bought the one that seemed best value in the OPC network and have the peace of mind of the approved pre-owned warranty.
I am sure the 991.2 is a better and more modern car but I struggle to see how the £40k price difference is justified so for me the 991.1 is something of a relative bargain (in the world of fully fledged sports cars).
The only thing I would like to be different is the colour. As one of the earlier cars it is in the rather predictable white. Whilst it does have some motorsport connotations I would much prefer a Miami Blue or Python Green - maybe one for the future if I can get a 992 allocation!
I bought one earlier this year on a bit of a whim after a year in a Boxster Spyder. Whilst the Spyder was very very good the GT3 is on a different level.
I simply love driving it. Even at normal speeds it is engaging but can also cruise around with ease. When you do open it up and start to lean om tje chassis it's impossible not to smile. To top it off, my wife much prefers driving the GT3 to the Spyder.
I didn't worry too much about spec, engine concerns etc. Just bought the one that seemed best value in the OPC network and have the peace of mind of the approved pre-owned warranty.
I am sure the 991.2 is a better and more modern car but I struggle to see how the £40k price difference is justified so for me the 991.1 is something of a relative bargain (in the world of fully fledged sports cars).
The only thing I would like to be different is the colour. As one of the earlier cars it is in the rather predictable white. Whilst it does have some motorsport connotations I would much prefer a Miami Blue or Python Green - maybe one for the future if I can get a 992 allocation!
Mankers said:
Grantstown said:
Maybe it's best to wait until after the 10 year mark and if prices drop a good bit they may be a bargain for such a great car. You could still go with the Porsche warranty system, or have the car looked after by independents in the knowledge that the engine could let you down. Porsche would go down the new engine route, but surely some the indies with a large experience of rebuilding Porsche engines would be able to do a great job at a much lower cost. Maybe a 4.0L conversion for example. Just thoughts, not gospel. You could always ask Ninemeister or Hartech what they think. I would have thought they'd be happy to offer a bit of informal advice.
Just do it, life’s too short to wait for if, buts or maybe’s. If you lose money on the car, so what, that’s normal right?!Picture for encouragement!
Edited by Mankers on Friday 26th August 21:48
Deansfield said:
I’d recommend looking for one that has the latest G6 engine,
OPC warranty and it’s an amazing car and raw so maybe try one first
+1 to this. OPC warranty and it’s an amazing car and raw so maybe try one first
Tread carefully and definitely make sure it has the later replacement engine and official extended porsche warranty, be careful on the number of owners. If you ever decide to sell a low owner, latest engine with a warranty will massively go in your favour. You may not get more money for it but it will be a lot less hassle to shift.
There seems to be a regular supply of these popping up for sale now, I’m sure you will find a great car at a sensible price.
I can only concur that the 991.1 gt3 is a great car. Whether it’s a great “road” car to do 8-10k miles a year mostly commuting is debatable. Now preparing to be blasted by the gt3 worshipers!!!… but…I suggest you test drive both 991.1 gt3 and 991.2 gts before deciding. You've already experienced the 997 gts product and expect you understand the design philosophy of gts cars…. Everyday useable , enhanced spec and aesthetics with a good turn of speed over the standard or S models of the same range. I own a 991.2 gts as a daily (occasionally tracked) and have driven in a 991.1 gt3 both on track and road and think the gts is by far the better daily . Yes , on track the gt3 is (far) superior , especially in braking/handling . Cornering on track in the gt3 feels like a race car whereas the gts in comparison is ever so slightly soft and squidgy . Surprisingly ,on track acceleration out of slow corners the gts can distance itself from the gt3 by means of its low down torque and it’s only when approaching three figs the gt3 wins out. I’m not looking for who’s best here only giving thoughts on my experience. If it’s out and out speed you want the gt3 wins outright, no question . However to get outright speed from a gt3 you have to keep the revs up and in the power band . This to ensure instant urge/acceleration when requested and can get slightly trying as a daily. . On the road the gts is a bit more relaxed ,no matter the revs a simple push of the manenetto button gives max power/acceleration instantly , brilliant for snap overtaking. For me the car with the best road habits is the gts .Along with the spec enhancements over the standard car and the extra urge from the turbo engine make the gts a very attractive car thats more than fast enough for todays roads . That it’s (much) cheaper than an equivalent gt3 makes it a bit of a bargain in comparison. Only my twopence worth but reading your post thought I’d give a bit of input. Good luck with whatever your choice. Regards. Ian
Sorry but a GTS and GT3 is not even a comparison.
GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking.
GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness.
A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive.
It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques.
GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking.
GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness.
A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive.
It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques.
Gibbo205 said:
Sorry but a GTS and GT3 is not even a comparison.
GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking.
GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness.
A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive.
It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques.
I totally agree with you Andrew…the gt3 has little to beat it , especially at its price point. As a keen fast driver I’m only giving my opinion of the options the op may not have considered. We all love fast cars , my mate has a 450F type , it’s brilliant and a great fast drivers car but not for us . as you know when you’ve got the Porsche bug it’s hard to drop and change allegiance . My post was to give my thoughts on how to go fast in a Porsche at maybe a more economic and comfortable cost…as I already said for pure speed the GT3 is unbeatable but… as a daily there are others that can be considered …cheers. Ian GTS is a Carrera is bits stuck on and some software tweaking.
GT3 proper motorsport car with an engine from the gods it’s just in another league of specialness.
A Turbo S is way faster than a GT3 even on track but those who get and understand a GT3 will understand nothing else in the Porsche range can even come close to comparing how special and amazing a GT3 is to own and drive.
It’s not about numbers or comfort or use ability it’s also about that motor and how special the GT3 is and after all the GT3 is a car that people consider against other supercars from other marques.
66 991 GT3s for sale on PH versus 170 991 Carreras. That’s less than a 1:3 ratio and a lot of these have 4-7 owners already. I think it’s therefore clear that these cars aren’t for everybody, so worth making sure it’s for you and not ending up trying to sell an 8 owner car next year.
Grantstown said:
66 991 GT3s for sale on PH versus 170 991 Carreras. That’s less than a 1:3 ratio and a lot of these have 4-7 owners already. I think it’s therefore clear that these cars aren’t for everybody, so worth making sure it’s for you and not ending up trying to sell an 8 owner car next year.
Spot on Grantstown, some of these older GT cars have a massive amount of owners, many in a short period of time. I’m lead to believe an OPC can only sell a used car if it has a certain amount of owners. I personally wouldn’t consider a car with a high number of owners, one or two owners is the max for me personally.
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