Boxster Spyder
Discussion
SWGT3 said:
After posting on here a little while ago that I had decided to get back in to a Spyder after chopping my last one in for the GT3, I finally picked the car up and took it for a proper drive last week. If I’m honest I was a little subdued on collection day - I wondered if I was being a little frivolous buying a second ‘fun’ car and began to doubt whether this was really necessary or the best use of funds. That feeling stayed with me until I drove it. It all came flooding back and I remembered how much I love the 981 Spyder. I’m not ashamed to say I think I love it more than my 991.2 GT3, in an everyday smiles per mile sense. Possibly not a great time of year to collect such a car.... but hey ho. I’m very happy to have this beauty (and the incredible sound it makes) back in my life.
Completely agree with you - both great fun but the Spyder is a great road car.
Taffy66 said:
And there was i thinking you were only joking when you said you missed it when i bought your old one.I took my wife out Saturday in mine for lunch and we agreed one of the most enjoyable fun car i've owned..I told her that i think i preferred it to my GT3, then took my GT3 out yesterday and i enjoyed it equally albeit different reasons.
It looks just like mine except from the white roll hoops which is a nice touch..We'll have to meet up sometime for a Spyder reunion..Depending on what comes next i think these will hold on to their values, when you take into account that only 229 were registered in the UK.
Once a Spyder came up in our OPC’s network with that spec I just couldn’t resist. Happy to meet up some time, hopefully if we get some winter days that are sympathetic to open top motoring! Would love to see my old car again, lots of great memories in that car.It looks just like mine except from the white roll hoops which is a nice touch..We'll have to meet up sometime for a Spyder reunion..Depending on what comes next i think these will hold on to their values, when you take into account that only 229 were registered in the UK.
jimmy p said:
Took my 987 spyder to work yesterday due to last of the summer sun.
Terrific drive home in the dark, roof off 18 degrees, glorious sound of engine and pse seemed amplified in the dark, possibly last roof off night drive of the year!!
Don’t say things like that I only just picked mine up! Terrific drive home in the dark, roof off 18 degrees, glorious sound of engine and pse seemed amplified in the dark, possibly last roof off night drive of the year!!
The problem with degreasers. They can remove any protective coatings applied at the factory for corrosion resistance. And although it will look nice at first it could actually speed up corrosion.
I have a first hand experience with this, because I manually corrosion coated some new coilovers for my other car. They were all looking as good as new a year later until I degreased one of the arches, the following corrosion on that corner was noticeably more than the other 3 corners.
I mean this could have just been coincidence, or it could be that the anti corrosion wax/oil I used is different to factory stuff, but I'm just making the point to note :-)
I have a first hand experience with this, because I manually corrosion coated some new coilovers for my other car. They were all looking as good as new a year later until I degreased one of the arches, the following corrosion on that corner was noticeably more than the other 3 corners.
I mean this could have just been coincidence, or it could be that the anti corrosion wax/oil I used is different to factory stuff, but I'm just making the point to note :-)
V800MJH said:
The problem with degreasers. They can remove any protective coatings applied at the factory for corrosion resistance. And although it will look nice at first it could actually speed up corrosion.
I have a first hand experience with this, because I manually corrosion coated some new coilovers for my other car. They were all looking as good as new a year later until I degreased one of the arches, the following corrosion on that corner was noticeably more than the other 3 corners.
I mean this could have just been coincidence, or it could be that the anti corrosion wax/oil I used is different to factory stuff, but I'm just making the point to note :-)
mines all sprayed with protection also after. some aircraft stuff my mates uses on classics so all good.I have a first hand experience with this, because I manually corrosion coated some new coilovers for my other car. They were all looking as good as new a year later until I degreased one of the arches, the following corrosion on that corner was noticeably more than the other 3 corners.
I mean this could have just been coincidence, or it could be that the anti corrosion wax/oil I used is different to factory stuff, but I'm just making the point to note :-)
key to stopping corrosion is noticing paint chips and on a clean car any chips can be sorted as you can see them.
my cars a fair weather car so it looks cleaner than most cars which have been though just 1 winter !
MrD - grab a couple of tissues. Video for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpdiPw_y5nw
Phooey said:
MrD - grab a couple of tissues. Video for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpdiPw_y5nw
Sounds like MrD wrote the script!! However imagine how happy they would of been if the car had the carbon bucket seats!!Looking at replacing my 2015 Boxster GTS (manual) with a 2016 Boxster Spyder which has covered just 3,000 miles - but have a few concerns:
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Edited by JamesBGTS on Sunday 21st October 16:51
JamesBGTS said:
Looking at replacing my 2015 Boxster GTS (manual) with a 2016 Boxster Spyder which has covered just 3,000 miles - but have a few concerns:
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
No PCM means the car needs to be cheap IMHO, will be difficult to sell. > Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Edited by JamesBGTS on Sunday 21st October 16:51
IF the next Spyder is a 4.0 NA (personally I am sceptical) I think it’ll be at a different price point to the 981 as it's a much more expensive engine and it’ll be a highly sort after car. So don’t think it’ll impact 981 prices. If the 718 is a Turbo motor 981 prices will firm up.
Cheib said:
JamesBGTS said:
Looking at replacing my 2015 Boxster GTS (manual) with a 2016 Boxster Spyder which has covered just 3,000 miles - but have a few concerns:
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
No PCM means the car needs to be cheap IMHO, will be difficult to sell. > Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Edited by JamesBGTS on Sunday 21st October 16:51
IF the next Spyder is a 4.0 NA (personally I am sceptical) I think it’ll be at a different price point to the 981 as it's a much more expensive engine and it’ll be a highly sort after car. So don’t think it’ll impact 981 prices. If the 718 is a Turbo motor 981 prices will firm up.
JamesBGTS said:
Looking at replacing my 2015 Boxster GTS (manual) with a 2016 Boxster Spyder which has covered just 3,000 miles - but have a few concerns:
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Spec on all 3 cars is king and these cars are very spec sensitive.> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Edited by JamesBGTS on Sunday 21st October 16:51
The Spyder needs pcm(as Cheib points out) and buckets. Cars without sell for considerably less. The folding buckets were a no cost option new and heaters are desirable I would not consider a convertible without. Other desirable options are extended leather with coloured stitching and carbon. Same comments for the GT4 and Carrera T.
Chrono was standard on the Spyder but an option on the GT4 and T. Not a deal breaker.
'Manuel' air con was also available on the Spyder and GT4. I have it on mine and it works perfectly although climate was c £500 option and some buyers demand this.
Some specced ceramic brakes but most buyers of these cars at this price point do not demand this expensive c £6k option on these cars but if you want them they are consequently a bargain as price not reflected in cost.
Some specced cage clubsport on the GT4 but these cages can be noisy furthermore they add weight on an otherwise nicely balanced car.
In terms of driving the 3 cars the GT4 is the least usable. Absence of front lift and restricted clearance similar to GT3 is an issue to some.
The reasonably hardcore GT4 is a great package at the money and provides superb involving road car driving with a great clutch and gearbox although many find the lack of GT engine a major let down for a Porsche GT especially on track.
The Spyder is also a great package and is favoured by many, including myself, over GT4. It has no pretensions at GT car status unlike the GT4. Sounds better than the GT4 too although the synthetic exhaust in sport plus mode is ott whereas the GT4 is true sound although more subdued.
Chances are the 718 Spyder and GT4 will have the n.a. C2S powerkit engine and not the detuned 4.0 GT3. The new Spyder will be priced above the GT4 unlike the 981.
Also the 718 Spyder will have a manuel roof unlike the part electric 981 which only takes a bit longer to put down than your GTS.
Economy on both the Spyder and GT4 is fairly poor mainly due to strangled engines. Economy on the T is excellent.
The Carrera T is a fantastic beautifully balanced package which has been derided by many (the usual armchair experts!) as a parts bin special who have no experience of the car. Reminds me of a 997.1 Carrera S...sounds almost identical too. Probably the last of the narrow bodied Carreras the T could well be quite collectable on a back to basics Carrera basis but again spec is key to the ethos of the car...but keep it basic so PDK pan roof and imo rws are unecessary and expensive add ins in terms of both price and more crucially added weight.
Mine has 'manuel' and T pack and sat nav. Specify lightweight glass perhaps no rear seats and ensure it has dab radio (a number of cars came without).
The decision probably comes down to whether you must have a 911. The fact that the T is turbo does not detract from the car as a package and I speak as a n.a. diehard!
Good luck and let us know how you get on!
Edited by av185 on Sunday 21st October 18:48
Edited by av185 on Sunday 21st October 18:53
JamesBGTS said:
Looking at replacing my 2015 Boxster GTS (manual) with a 2016 Boxster Spyder which has covered just 3,000 miles - but have a few concerns:
> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
FWIW - I had a GT4 and a Spyder (also at the time a 991RS and now a 991.2 GT3) I thought the Spyder was a far better road car than the GT4 (GT4 better as a track toy) - I also picked the keys up to the Spyder far more than the RS and thats saying something - I thought the spyder was an absolute sweet spot in the modern Porsche line up - absolutly loved mine.> Paying £78K for a used car which cost £65K new. Looking at the other Spyder models for sale at the moment, the £78K seems reasonable, but I am wondering if premium-price bubble will burst, especially if the new 718 Spyder will have a NA 4.0 litre engine.
> This Spyder has been fitted with CDR-32 (?) radio only, no PCM. This will be my daily car, with no ability to connect phone via Bluetooth. I wondered if the lack of PCM will cause a resale problem later (as it's making me think twice now)?
> Less likely to put the roof down on the Spyder because of the faff involved compared to my GTS.
The alternates to the Spyder I am considering are: 2016 Cayman GT4 or 2018 Carrera T, both for similar money.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated.
Edited by JamesBGTS on Sunday 21st October 16:51
BTW the roof is an absolute doddle - takes 10 seconds (upon or down) once you learn how to do it properly - if you get one, PM me and I'll send you a video of how to do it. - Good luck
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