Boxster Spyder

[Alpinestars]

GregorFuk said:

Alpinestars said:

Fokker said:

Chill children...

It felt a lot slower then a V8 M3!

I was just having fun with you David, you're very defensive!
It handles very well though...

Pretty much the same straight line performance.

I’ve moved into a 987 Spyder from an M3 CSL and if it’s a slower car then it must be marginally so because I can’t feel any difference. This makes it more than fast enough for the road in my book. I’d say the Spyder is the better handler of the two too.

Edited by GregorFuk on Friday 2nd November 18:39

I have a 92 competition, and there’s nothing between that and my Spyder.

[GregorFuk]

Alpinestars said:

GregorFuk said:

Alpinestars said:

Fokker said:

Chill children...

It felt a lot slower then a V8 M3!

I was just having fun with you David, you're very defensive!
It handles very well though...

Pretty much the same straight line performance.

I’ve moved into a 987 Spyder from an M3 CSL and if it’s a slower car then it must be marginally so because I can’t feel any difference. This makes it more than fast enough for the road in my book. I’d say the Spyder is the better handler of the two too.

Edited by GregorFuk on Friday 2nd November 18:39

I have a 92 competition, and there’s nothing between that and my Spyder.

My butt dyno must be pretty accurate then. So in conclusion. Not a slow car.

[gpgts]

Put a deposit on next generation gt4 2 years ago when I traded in my current sports car for 981 Cayman GTS. I’ve had Caymsn for 2 years (and loved every minute of it - what a car) - but always having owned convertible sports cars I just missed driving one so switched reserve from the 718 GT4 to the 718 Spyder. I don’t drive the Cayman in winter so instead of having it just sit in garage all winter my porsche dealer took it in as trade on the Spyder. FWIW my SA just got back from Porsche in a Germany and he said he is hearing the engine in next GT4/Spyder will be from 2016 911 GTS with 430 HP (also mentioned tweaked to a 4.0 litre engine). No idea if it has any merit but hp numbers and torque make sense to distance itself from last generation and current. I am hoping it gets revealed at LA ....

[daro911]

gpgts said:

Put a deposit on next generation gt4 2 years ago when I traded in my current sports car for 981 Cayman GTS. I’ve had Caymsn for 2 years (and loved every minute of it - what a car) - but always having owned convertible sports cars I just missed driving one so switched reserve from the 718 GT4 to the 718 Spyder. I don’t drive the Cayman in winter so instead of having it just sit in garage all winter my porsche dealer took it in as trade on the Spyder. FWIW my SA just got back from Porsche in a Germany and he said he is hearing the engine in next GT4/Spyder will be from 2016 911 GTS with 430 HP (also mentioned tweaked to a 4.0 litre engine). No idea if it has any merit but hp numbers and torque make sense to distance itself from last generation and current. I am hoping it gets revealed at LA ....

LA is the launch show for the 992 so pencil in Geneva March 2019 for the Spyder / GT4 launches so patience will be needed thfough the coming winter months

I am surprised an OPC will take a deposit on a car that officially doesn't exist and one they can offer zero information on not to mention what if they went out of business between now and then

[eyebeebe]

Just been told I can sign the pre-contract for a Boxster Spyder. Contract says GTS on it, but we will cross that out and write Spyder on it.

Confirmed as a GT3 engine with 420-430ps.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[dreamcar]

eyebeebe said:

Just been told I can sign the pre-contract for a Boxster Spyder. Contract says GTS on it, but we will cross that out and write Spyder on it.

Confirmed as a GT3 engine with 420-430ps.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

IF (and I still think it’s a big if) the Spyder has the GT3 engine the price will soar to way north of £100k. Can’t see it. In any event rumours of what engine GT4 and Spyder will have a pure guesswork at this stage, it won’t be “confirmed” until Porsche themselves announce the car

Edited by dreamcar on Saturday 3rd November 09:42

[Fokker]

With the info I’ve supplied and hearing a few times now about this 991.1 powerkitted unit, I suppose it’s quite likely that they’ve used the same engineering to power kit the old 3.8 and add 200cc for marketing purposes.

The different in red line chasing compared to the 991.1 power kit and 981 GT4 was very noticeable. If the new unit revs more freely then thank you lord!

... although I’m still sceptical ))

[TDT]

The meaning of 'GT3 engine' is going to be diluted and have the life sapped out of it by the marketing folks...just like Motorsport once stood for something or the M Badge or AMG. It's all just marketing and trim levels now. Just should just call it a new GT4/Spyder engine...
also so what.. the GT2 RS only has remapped Turbo S engine in it.. so non Motorsport... you don't hear anyone crowing about that... hogwash.

[av185]

dreamcar said:

IF (and I still think it’s a big if) the Spyder has the GT3 engine the price will soar to way north of £100k. Can’t see it. In any event rumours of what engine GT4 and Spyder will have a pure guesswork at this stage, it won’t be “confirmed” until Porsche themselves announce the car

Edited by dreamcar on Saturday 3rd November 09:42

GT4 will be early £70ks. Spyder slightly more.

These are not £100k cars new...until flipped.

[eyebeebe]

If it has a high revving N/A engine making 420-430ps in it, they can call it what they want. If it turns out to be a turbo they can have their slot back.

The best price guide he could give me was between GBP 80-85k, bearing in mind that a Boxster GTS is approx. GBP 75k here.

[gpgts]

eyebeebe said:

If it has a high revving N/A engine making 420-430ps in it, they can call it what they want. If it turns out to be a turbo they can have their slot back.

Told my SA same - not interested in turbo

[daro911]

eyebeebe said:

Confirmed as a GT3 engine with 420-430ps.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

From PCGB website

John Tecce posted this about installing a GT3 engine in a Cayman..

"As for the whole 'why aren't we getting a 4.0L GT3 motor' question, you have to noodle over the following:

You can't slam a GT3 motor in a 981 because of several fitment reasons, the biggest being the oil sump tank. (requires re-engineering of the motor and/or unibody for a car that is really a 2nd generation of a previous model)

The Siemens SDI 9.1 used to run all 991s/981s will not spin over 8160. The ECU architecture doesn't allow it. (requires re-engineering of the ECU platform)

Look at the outright engine costs - a 991.1 GT3 motor is $75K to buy new; a 4.0L 991.1 911R motor is $98K and a GT4 motor is $45K. (the car’s price point would land at GT3 levels, which is not wanted by people on either side of the table.)

I don’t doubt that a 4.0L GT3 motor found its way into a 981 in Weissach at one point or another and while there's no doubt that the resources are there to execute everything listed above in a nanosecond, sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately you cant just Mr. Potato Head that motor in that car like you can with a lot of other things. It's for this very reason that we convert the existing motors to 4.0L from 3.8L in the exact same fashion that the factory did via a stroke conversion. I know of 1 person on here currently attempting to do this but if you look at the cost to do a project like this, it would be the world's most expensive Cayman on the road ever."

[Fokker]

eyebeebe said:

If it has a high revving N/A engine making 420-430ps in it, they can call it what they want. If it turns out to be a turbo they can have their slot back.

The best price guide he could give me was between GBP 80-85k, bearing in mind that a Boxster GTS is approx. GBP 75k here.

We need to talk base price as all ppl spec their cars differently. Boxster GTS is £64721 base inv vat. A GT4 will be just over £70k base if you ask me.

[eyebeebe]

Fokker said:

We need to talk base price as all ppl spec their cars differently. Boxster GTS is £64721 base inv vat. A GT4 will be just over £70k base if you ask me.

That is base price. I've converted it into £ from Swiss Francs with the GTS as a comparison.

[Fokker]

eyebeebe said:

Fokker said:

We need to talk base price as all ppl spec their cars differently. Boxster GTS is £64721 base inv vat. A GT4 will be just over £70k base if you ask me.

That is base price. I've converted it into £ from Swiss Francs with the GTS as a comparison.

Ah ok well 70k ish here in UK then. Don’t bank on a high revving engine though!

[dreamcar]

av185 said:

GT4 will be early £70ks. Spyder slightly more.

These are not £100k cars new...until flipped.

At that price (which seems realistic) there is no way GT4 and Spyder will have a GT3 engine, even detuned. Cost prohibitive.

[gpgts]

Agree - but would you rather have a strangled 4.0 or upturned 3.8. I get it - nothing like a 9000 RPM high revving engine but you not getting one at that price - how much will the speedster be? For me I think Spyder looks better anyway.

[davidc1]

I took my 981 spyder out today . A nice drive from kent to surrey and back to collect my son from my brothers after a sleepover. Top down , hat and heated seat on .
Really enjoyable . A tonic for a busy man!
Makes all the hard work and sacrifice to buy the car worth it.
I have had my car from new and would be able to get the new one but i think i might be changing just for the sake of it. Lets see what motor it gets....

[dreamcar]

gpgts said:

Agree - but would you rather have a strangled 4.0 or upturned 3.8. I get it - nothing like a 9000 RPM high revving engine but you not getting one at that price - how much will the speedster be? For me I think Spyder looks better anyway.

Of course I’d much rather have the high revving GT3 engine than the vin ordinare 981 / 991 engine, as good as that engine is (compared with the flat four which my OPC still believes is a possibility) I just don’t believe it is any more than a pipe dream sadly.

[Geoffrey 321]

Cannot see the car having the GT3 engine in it