Boxster Spyder

[Fokker]

av185 said:

That's interesting F!

And personally I think there is zero possibility of these cars being unlimited despite being made on mainstream production lines this time.

Defo limited but its Porsche who as the masters of disguise,

Its why they limit the first run to say 3 or 5 cars per dealer. People all start panicking talking about a second run and if we'll get one.
Then dealer confirms another 5 cars which is actually 12 cars and more people get one. But then you have those who still didnt get one on here complaining making others think that they were actually in short supply when they kind of were but if you were smart, you should have had one ....

You could write a fu*king book on it. If Porsche said that they'll build as many as demand needed, they'd not sell as many. Half the buyers only want one as they're effectively free to own. Porsche need to maintain the illusion to sell as many as they can supply the UK and that will be a limited number, of sorts.

[ianMD]

I'm able to keep mine sub £80k (Spyder), now take my money!!!!!

https://www.porsche-code.com/PL5ECJZ1

[davidc1]

As a 981 spyder owner since new ,march 16. My initial thoughts are:

Plus points:
New car
Warranty
Will drive better . steering improved most probably.
Standard nav.


Minus points:
Doubtful it will sounds as good
Prefer the 981 back end with the ducktail and exhaust placement v tacky black diffuser and more horizontal spoiler.
Standard spec does not include bucket seats now.

Bhp/Speed is not a factor imo , 981/718 both plenty fast for the road.

718, Ride might be harder?
Cant get gold wheels!

Styling is different. Not better , not worse. New car fussier , but maybe more purposeful

Going to cost me 15k as a figure to swap , which I am not sure is value as an existing owner.

If you don’t have a 981spyder , then 80odd k on a 718spyder is good value.

so overall my gut feeling is not to contact my OPC.

[Fokker]

ianMD said:

I'm able to keep mine sub £80k (Spyder), now take my money!!!!!

https://www.porsche-code.com/PL5ECJZ1

Good to see you back in a Pork Ian!

[philnotts]

Sound clip at 29:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsXTYbjC5DI

Thoughts.....

[TB303]

philnotts said:

Sound clip at 29:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsXTYbjC5DI

Thoughts.....

The physics of it having more muffling means it'll never be as fruity sounding as the 981.... God knows how they got away with that. For many of us the 981 Spyder is one of the best sounding porches ever made (I appreciate it's not for everyone, but I love it on a good euro trip!).

Car looks great to me - they had to work around the usual emissions stuff. I'm not sure I'll bother upgrading, though.

The steering will have surely improved a notch, but I would assume the gear ratios are the same?

4.0L doesn't really interest me - I wouldn't mind if the 981 had a 3.4 really. Don't need more speed/power etc. I wonder how much heavier it is than the 981 in reality? They seem to be leading less with the lightweight thing this time?

Anyone who buys the 718 spyder is going to have a lot of fun - Porsche don't make a bad car, do they....

[Sandy59]

Fokker said:

Defo limited but its Porsche who as the masters of disguise,

Its why they limit the first run to say 3 or 5 cars per dealer. People all start panicking talking about a second run and if we'll get one.
Then dealer confirms another 5 cars which is actually 12 cars and more people get one. But then you have those who still didnt get one on here complaining making others think that they were actually in short supply when they kind of were but if you were smart, you should have had one ....

You could write a fu*king book on it. If Porsche said that they'll build as many as demand needed, they'd not sell as many. Half the buyers only want one as they're effectively free to own. Porsche need to maintain the illusion to sell as many as they can supply the UK and that will be a limited number, of sorts.

I think this is quite an accurate assessment of the reality.

[elisered]

davidc1 said:

As a 981 spyder owner since new ,march 16. My initial thoughts are:

Plus points:
New car
Warranty
Will drive better . steering improved most probably.
Standard nav.


Minus points:
Doubtful it will sounds as good
Prefer the 981 back end with the ducktail and exhaust placement v tacky black diffuser and more horizontal spoiler.
Standard spec does not include bucket seats now.

Bhp/Speed is not a factor imo , 981/718 both plenty fast for the road.

718, Ride might be harder?
Cant get gold wheels!

Styling is different. Not better , not worse. New car fussier , but maybe more purposeful

Going to cost me 15k as a figure to swap , which I am not sure is value as an existing owner.

If you don’t have a 981spyder , then 80odd k on a 718spyder is good value.

so overall my gut feeling is not to contact my OPC.

Strangely have same name initial as you and bought my car in Feb 2016 (I think yours is red too?)..I'm in the same camp i.e. not rushing to contact OPC - I was lucky enough to get a 1 owner car with the spec and colour I would have chosen anyway including full buckets, PCCB,PDLS+ etc etc.

The new one doesn't seem different enough to me - not really interested in more power and there's no acceleration change really either and of course theres the noise. Wondering what the suspension/ tyres/ PASM will do to the ride - assume this is the same as the GT4 now as they didn't want to develop 2 platforms this time round.

So no for me at the moment - lets see what the write ups are like and how the availability develops over the next 12 to 18 months.

I'm guessing they will let the Spyder run on for a while as they start to develop the next Boxster/ Cayman iteration which I reckon is at least 24 to 36 months away rather than being a run out version as in the past. Also lets see if they do bring out another NA version - though I am sceptical about that.

I'm not falling for the UK OPC hype either - there are a limited number of people who want to run a car with a manual gearbox/roof at this price point and once the initial furore dies down I believe it will be possible to buy a car even if you have to wait a while due to the low numbers per dealer. I'm afraid I'm old enough to remember waiting 18 months for my first 986 and 12 months for the S that followed.

[Fokker]

Are we not forgetting though that this could be the last petrol powered car of its kind?

[Joehow]

Having spoke to my dealer at length today my understanding is very much as above. Get through the people that are guaranteed a car and there should be a good possibility in the long run.

Theyve actively struck out anyone with no relationship at all with the OPC though which feels good to me.

[daro911]

ianMD said:

I'm able to keep mine sub £80k (Spyder), now take my money!!!!!

I think Porsche have already acknowledged due to the GPF the scream has gone and the need to be more PC their cars must be quieter once again

In many respects for every step forward on the 718 better tyres, hydraulic assisted clutch, PASM - their have been steps backwards ie CO.2 levels up from 230 to 249 and in the real world the step up in performance (probably due to GPF and PASM = extra weight 105kg!) resulting in 0-62mph of just 0.01 seconds quicker if you rev the 4l out to its new max rpm MPG down bucket seats no longer standard and probably no real production cap going forward so serious depreciation guaranteed IMO

Bottom line I bet its a real thrill to drive despite the extra weight which was once so critical to the cars feel every ounce saved was a pat on the back for designers and fodder for the marketing suits to hammer home to the punter less is so much more

The 981 version was the best ever bargain priced Porsche to date and to me the fatter newbie is the total opposite

My spec today ran out at a whopping £85k odd without my full leather buckets £997 in 2016 or PTS £2850 in 2016 fand at this price level a bargain it ain't

[Joehow]

i agree on price but is the difference here not that 981 figs were fanciful but those quoted on the 718 are probably closer to reality.

[Twinfan]

Yep, I think the weight figures are not comparing apples with oranges so you can pretty much discard them.

I think options have stayed pretty much the same so the main difference seems to be in the base price. Roughly £10k different, but for the Spyder you now get nav, DAB, and Sound Package Plus included which were about £4k from memory but you lose buckets at £2k? So £8k difference after the exchange rate bombing isn't all that bad IMHO.

[Joehow]

Twinfan said:

Yep, I think the weight figures are not comparing apples with oranges so you can pretty much discard them.

I think options have stayed pretty much the same so the main difference seems to be in the base price. Roughly £10k different, but for the Spyder you now get nav, DAB, and Sound Package Plus included which were about £4k from memory but you lose buckets at £2k? So £8k difference after the exchange rate bombing isn't all that bad IMHO.

I agree and its £8k thats going on a proper GT developed car

[Twinfan]

Yep - PASM this time, larger brakes, GT3 feint end etc. Plus I missed out the phone connection that you now get for free too.

Still have to spec and pay for climate though!

[ianMD]

daro911 said:

In many respects for every step forward on the 718 better tyres, hydraulic assisted clutch, PASM - their have been steps backwards ie CO.2 levels up from 230 to 249 and in the real world the step up in performance (probably due to GPF and PASM = extra weight 105kg!) resulting in 0-62mph of just 0.01 seconds quicker if you rev the 4l out to its new max rpm MPG down bucket seats no longer standard and probably no real production cap going forward so serious depreciation guaranteed IMO

Whilst I cannot confirm it, I suspect that with all the emissions changes, the new car is being tested for performance etc with a fully loaded options list, versus the lightest example of the 981. I cannot see 100KG being added otherwise.

Ignoring what came before, this still stands to be an exceptional car, with much want!!! However, the changes for the Spyder see more obvious than the GT4, and having owned a GT4, I'll make the switch this time; if Porsche allow!

[ianMD]

Fokker said:

Good to see you back in a Pork Ian!

We shall see pal! Pistonheads Saturday service at Oulton in September, you going?

[davidc1]

elisered said:

davidc1 said:

As a 981 spyder owner since new ,march 16. My initial thoughts are:

Plus points:
New car
Warranty
Will drive better . steering improved most probably.
Standard nav.


Minus points:
Doubtful it will sounds as good
Prefer the 981 back end with the ducktail and exhaust placement v tacky black diffuser and more horizontal spoiler.
Standard spec does not include bucket seats now.

Bhp/Speed is not a factor imo , 981/718 both plenty fast for the road.

718, Ride might be harder?
Cant get gold wheels!

Styling is different. Not better , not worse. New car fussier , but maybe more purposeful

Going to cost me 15k as a figure to swap , which I am not sure is value as an existing owner.

If you don’t have a 981spyder , then 80odd k on a 718spyder is good value.

so overall my gut feeling is not to contact my OPC.

Strangely have same name initial as you and bought my car in Feb 2016 (I think yours is red too?)..I'm in the same camp i.e. not rushing to contact OPC - I was lucky enough to get a 1 owner car with the spec and colour I would have chosen anyway including full buckets, PCCB,PDLS+ etc etc.

The new one doesn't seem different enough to me - not really interested in more power and there's no acceleration change really either and of course theres the noise. Wondering what the suspension/ tyres/ PASM will do to the ride - assume this is the same as the GT4 now as they didn't want to develop 2 platforms this time round.

So no for me at the moment - lets see what the write ups are like and how the availability develops over the next 12 to 18 months.

I'm guessing they will let the Spyder run on for a while as they start to develop the next Boxster/ Cayman iteration which I reckon is at least 24 to 36 months away rather than being a run out version as in the past. Also lets see if they do bring out another NA version - though I am sceptical about that.

I'm not falling for the UK OPC hype either - there are a limited number of people who want to run a car with a manual gearbox/roof at this price point and once the initial furore dies down I believe it will be possible to buy a car even if you have to wait a while due to the low numbers per dealer. I'm afraid I'm old enough to remember waiting 18 months for my first 986 and 12 months for the S that followed.

My car is white with black wheels.
I agree with how you feel on the car as well.
When you already have a 981spyder the deal is not so clear.

This time the gt4 looks better value v the spyder.

The launch spec spyder is also grim.white with silver wheel with basic seats. No one will spec this.does not show the car in a good way.

I would go gt silver .black rims and hood.and spyder red classic interior if I was speccing now.

[Bedlamater]

So is anyone in looking to hop into a 987 Spyder this summer, thought I’d offer it here before I head over to AT..

16000 miles
White
Manual
SS box
Buckets
PCCBs
Sports exhaust
Leather interior
No AC, No radio
Porsche Warranty until September 2019
FOPCSH
Last serviced Oct 2018 and done approx 100 miles since.

Please DM if interested.

[eyebeebe]

So it’s got the same power as a 996 Turbo cab, weighs 230kg less (probably more on a like for like basis) and is on cups, but is slower 0-60. Is that the AWD or higher gearing or something else? It’s also got a slightly higher p/w ratio than the original Exige V6 and is half a second lower to 60. Gearing again?