Cayman GTS

[Jonny08]

PhantomPH said:

Sorry if this has already been covered, but what kind of life are people seeing from their P-Zeros?

I use my car for commuting and occasional spirited drives, but I suffer terrible tyre paranoia (always have) and I'm stating to wonder if I need new boots in time for winter.

14K miles on my rears (I bought the car with 9K miles,I'm assuming they were original). I've got 18K on my fronts, just coming down to 3mm now.

Out of interest, anybody heard from Samantha yet? I bet the poor girl is in and dated with emails complaining about cracks

[Malo]

Jonny08 said:

Out of interest, anybody heard from Samantha yet? I bet the poor girl is in and dated with emails complaining about cracks

Yes. Taken just a day to get to the point of them arranging an engineer to come and look at my tyres.

[AndyCGTS]

Malo said:

nsm3 said:

Just checked my N0s on 63 plate car. 1 rear and 1 front at c.15k plus 1 front and 1 rear at c.6k, no such cracking visible on any of them.

My car spends most of its time in the garage, so I wonder if the affected cars are kept outdoors and this is a UV deterioration problem?

Mine overnights in the garage, but is used daily, done 10k and has the cracking. Make of that what you will.
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Mine lives in the garage most of the time and its never really gets used in the rain.

[NBTBRV8]

PhantomPH said:

Sorry if this has already been covered, but what kind of life are people seeing from their P-Zeros?

I use my car for commuting and occasional spirited drives, but I suffer terrible tyre paranoia (always have) and I'm stating to wonder if I need new boots in time for winter.

My rears did 17,500kms and were just about had it. I had a screw in one so I decided to replace the lot. I might have got another 3000kms out of the fronts, but that would have been it.

[DJMC]

On my TTS, the GY F1 A2s had done 10k miles all round when it was due its first MOT. MOT report shows tread had worn 1-2mm after that mileage.

My 981 GYs have done 15k miles. Fronts are down to 6mm, rears 5mm. (8mm start). I'm not hard on my tyres and most of the mileage is motorway so not much turning wear.

Having said that my last set of Conti SC5s lasted only 15k miles at the rear in the same circumstances. SC2s & 3s would do 30-35k on the rear of my E46 330ci.

[PhantomPH]

Tyre paranoia for me then! Based on the above I should have a while left on them yet! Will still get them checked for the cracking tho as that could become a safety issue.

[PhantomPH]

I have noticed a few people commenting on the lack of torque from the F6 and I have decided they are right...but I'm not really bothered.

On Friday I made one of those mistakes that I imagine most people do from time-to-time - start to overtake, realise you are being a little too lazy about it and then have to start grabbing gears and increasing in panic...whilst looking like a wker in the process.

The scenario went something like this:
- Overtaking opportunity on-coming traffic in the far distance)
- Indicate and pull out, staying in 6th...nice and lazy.
- Oops, not really making as much progress as I need...more gas.
- Repeat of the above.
- Oops! Grab 4th and more gas.
- Christ this is quickly getting iffy!
- Grab 3rd and plant it. Scream the last part of the overtake right up in the rev band.
- Look a wker.

All my own fault and leaning on a combination of time, toque and laziness thinking I had all the time in the world to make the move, but grabbing a couple of gears to then make up the deficit I had caused for myself really reminded me that I don't have as much low-down torque as a 3.4ltr sounds like it should.

No real reason for this tale - just thoughts on torque and the CGTS.

[Bennachie]

'A' road overtakes? second; always. Quick, decisive and a lovely sound from the F6

[PhantomPH]

Bennachie said:

'A' road overtakes? second; always. Quick, decisive and a lovely sound from the F6

The above scenario took about 2 seconds to complete and was entirely my own fault. I think when just getting about your daily commute, the 'ripping past traffic' is the reserve of the Civic Type R brigade. I go for the slightly less cock-like smooth pass. I just nutted it up that time and had the lack of low-down torque make itself very known!

[Mario149]

PhantomPH said:

All my own fault and leaning on a combination of time, toque and laziness thinking I had all the time in the world to make the move, but grabbing a couple of gears to then make up the deficit I had caused for myself really reminded me that I don't have as much low-down torque as a 3.4ltr sounds like it should.

I think this is where you're mistaken. The engine has plenty of torque, 230lbft or more at about 2500rpm - a 996 3.4 only produces about 215lbft or so at that point, and my Wayne Schofield mapped 993 NVR with a 3.6 litre engine (producing 296bhp at 6500rpm) is only producing about 190lbft at 2500rpm.

The GTS 3.4 just doesn't feel like it has a lot as the torque curve is so plump at low/med revs that there isn't, compared to older engines, as much of a "crescendo" as you work up to the power band (my 997 GTS really "suffers" from this, the power kit gives you such a walloping mid range for an NA engine with 107bhp/litre it almost feels too much). Add to that the fact that many of us may also DD a petrol/diesel turbo hatchback/saloon etc with a thunking FI produced mid range, and our bum dyno baselines are all screwed!

[bcr5784]

Mario149 said:

I think this is where you're mistaken. The engine has plenty of torque, 230lbft or more at about 2500rpm - a 996 3.4 only produces about 215lbft or so at that point, and my Wayne Schofield mapped 993 NVR with a 3.6 litre engine (producing 296bhp at 6500rpm) is only producing about 190lbft at 2500rpm.

The GTS 3.4 just doesn't feel like it has a lot as the torque curve is so plump at low/med revs that there isn't, compared to older engines, as much of a "crescendo" as you work up to the power band (my 997 GTS really "suffers" from this, the power kit gives you such a walloping mid range for an NA engine with 107bhp/litre it almost feels too much). Add to that the fact that many of us may also DD a petrol/diesel turbo hatchback/saloon etc with a thunking FI produced mid range, and our bum dyno baselines are all screwed!

Torque is good at 2500 which leads you to expect it to better at 3000 or 3500 - but actually it falls off so subjectively the engine feels flat until it comes alive again at 4000. If torque gradually built up from 2500 to the peak at 4500 it would be a much nicer engine to drive at 6/7 tenths. As it is it's fine when toodling, great at 8 tenths + - but a bit frustrating in between. Notice that the 991 engine is definitely more progressive.

[nsm3]

Out of interest, does that 981 include PSE? Just wondering if it makes any difference? Without any further knowledge, I assume it 'reduces' the pipe work route in noisy mode? Maybe it adversely affects the torque curve, be good to know?

[bcr5784]

nsm3 said:

Out of interest, does that 981 include PSE? Just wondering if it makes any difference? Without any further knowledge, I assume it 'reduces' the pipe work route in noisy mode? Maybe it adversely affects the torque curve, be good to know?

I assumed not - but can't honestly say. I don't have PSE on my 981S but the torque curve very much mirrors my subjective impression. Obviously in the case of the GTS it is with the PSE exhaust - since it is standard- but whether it is ON or not I can't be sure. You'll find these graphs in old Porsche brochures, with no mention of PSE so, as I say I expect it's off.

Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 18th July 15:17

[nsm3]

Can't verify this graph, but if anywhere near correct, it doesn't appear there is much between the S/GTS until about 5k rpm, so exhaust not having much effect either way then?

718 'curves' tell plenty about why they are so rapid, but that some people find them incredibly dull?

[PhantomPH]

Think I am just going to start telling people that the 'S' on my 'GTS' badge is actually a '5'.

[Jonny08]

I'm still keeping an eye out for my perfect GTS (Sapphire Blue, Ideally buckets, GTS Interior Pack, Bose, etc. NO rear wiper(!!))

Geek talk. I've noticed a bit of an interesting one, a Carmine Red one that took my fancy back in May has popped back up. Bizarrely someone bought it, drove 250 miles and flogged it. I was wondering if it was a dealer trade between Lovett's and Sytner, but I don't think traders would count as an additional owner. Interesting to see the pricing too

date	model	price	mileage	owners	location
2017-04-14	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-15	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-16	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-17	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-18	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-19	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-20	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-21	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-22	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-23	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-24	Porsche Cayman GTS	65850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-25	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-26	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-27	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-28	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-29	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-04-30	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-01	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-02	Porsche Cayman GTS	64850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-03	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-04	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-05	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-06	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-07	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-08	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-05-09	Porsche Cayman GTS	62850	8301	1	Swindon
2017-07-01	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-02	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-03	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-04	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-05	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-06	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-09	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-10	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-11	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-12	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-13	Porsche Cayman GTS	69500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-14	Porsche Cayman GTS	67500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-15	Porsche Cayman GTS	67500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-16	Porsche Cayman GTS	67500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-17	Porsche Cayman GTS	67500	8588	2	Mid Sussex
2017-07-18	Porsche Cayman GTS	67500	8588	2	Mid Sussex

[ClarkeyDiem]

Disturbing to hear the PZero saga above.

Without it being too much "self interest" I have a full car set of MPSS for a C/BGTS with 6mm on if anyone is interested. £380.

I removed them from my CGTS when I partexed it (they are not N rated as most will know): however they are a cracking all round tyre.

[cast.roses]

ClarkeyDiem said:

Disturbing to hear the PZero saga above.

Without it being too much "self interest" I have a full car set of MPSS for a C/BGTS with 6mm on if anyone is interested. £380.

I removed them from my CGTS when I partexed it (they are not N rated as most will know): however they are a CRACKING all round tyre.

Let's hope not!!!! ;-)

[JasonSteel]

what exactly happens warranty wise if non N rated tires are fitted?

[bcr5784]

JasonSteel said:

what exactly happens warranty wise if non N rated tires are fitted?

If you sell it via the dealer he will want you to pay the cost of N rated tyres (he can't sell it with warranty otherwise) and if you want warranty work which is any way related to the suspension they could prove iffy.