Cayman GTS

[Twinfan]

Thanks for the figures - far too much cash IMHO as you'd need to do the brakes too unless you have PCCBs already.

As for the "upgrade" to a GT4 I don't think that's worth £30k for road only use either. The GTS is a fantastic package for £55k - why pay more?

They're rarer than a GT4 too - even more so in manual form! (circa 145 UK cars)

[Slippydiff]

Twinfan said:

Thanks for the figures - far too much cash IMHO as you'd need to do the brakes too unless you have PCCBs already.

As for the "upgrade" to a GT4 I don't think that's worth £30k for road only use either. The GTS is a fantastic package for £55k - why pay more?

They're rarer than a GT4 too - even more so in manual form! (circa 145 UK cars)

As you've said, engine and brake upgrade to a GTS doesn't make a lot of sense, as once done it's getting rather too close for comfort value wise to a GT4, and come resale time you have car that's only going to appeal to a few, most of whom won't want to pay you anything like the original upgrade costs.

If you want to upgrade, you're far better off starting with a nicely specced S such as this "Unicorn" I viewed and test drove at Bristol OPC last October :



35k miles, GT silver, folding carbon buckets, PCCB's, Burmester, Bi Xenons etc etc. Asking price £42k IIRC

I'd planned to drop a 3.8 Gen 997 GTS Powerkit (408hp) engine into it. Jens said they came up reasonably frequently and were available for less than 10K euros. Fitting it and upgrading to circa 435hp (M&M exhaust manifolds, cats, exhaust system, cold air intake, decent air filter and remap along with lightweight flywheel, would've been another circa 10k euros.

So a properly braked with decent seats (and lit) 981 Cayman with 435 hp but without the OTT wings, splitters of the GT4 (and in a discrete colour) for £65k or a maybe bit less. Trouble is that left it on a par pricewise with a nice Mk1 or Mk2 996 GT3 ...... both of which would always have been worth intrinsically more come resale time. And whilst I might say I'd keep a 3.8 engined S forever, I know all too well that I get itchy feet and I would've sold it sooner or later ....

[bo duke]

If anyone is looking to sell their (manual) 981 GTS, I've been looking for about 2 months, and have cash waiting for your next adventure!
e.g. those GT4s now dipping under £80k (e.g. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Ideal spec below, but appreciate I'm probably not going to find that, so if you have a manual GTS in the right colour, Id love to hear from you (before I compromise on buying something entirely unsuitable!):
- Agate Grey, GT Silver or Carmine Red
- Manual
- Porsche Torque Vectoring
- Ceramic Brakes
- Bucket Seats

Or maybe even a 981S like the above - that's LOVELY!

[dreamcar]

Twinfan said:

For anyone interested, I've done some Googling and swapping the front brakes to the 6-pot 340mm setup from the 991.1 Carrera S is a dead simple bolt on job. No master cylinder upgrade is needed and the parts required are:

99135140301 Left Front Brake Disc (340mm x 34mm)
99135140401 Right Front Brake Disc (340mm x 34mm)
99135142313 Left Front Brake Caliper (6 piston red)
99135142413 Right Front Brake Caliper (6 piston red)
99135558103 Brake Pipe Left
99135558203 Brake Pipe Right
99160917100 Brake Pad Wear Indicator Left & Right
99906705309 Front Caliper Mounting Bolt (M12 x 1.5 x 85)
99135194902 Front Brake Pad Set

The rear is the issue. The Carrera S calipers won't fit the Cayman uprights and the existing front calipers don't work on the rear due to the different piston thickness required. The best option for swapping both front and rear calipers is to use the Porsche PCCB calipers and fit aftermarket steel discs and pads along with the PCCB braking software.

A bit of shame it's not as simple as I hoped, but there are still a good couple of options.

I might be wrong here, but on PCCB equipped cars someone told me the rear calipers are the same as the front on standard braked cars?

[Twinfan]

dreamcar said:

I might be wrong here, but on PCCB equipped cars someone told me the rear calipers are the same as the front on standard braked cars?

That's what I thought but read otherwise elsewhere on the web. Size is the same but the caliper is different.

[Fizzbomb]

Venisonpie said:

Hi Folks, I'm helping a friend buy a GTS and whilst having owned a new 981 a few years ago I've never bought a used Porsche. Any pointers as to what to look for would be greatly appreciated including opinions on spec. It won't go near a track and will be London based.

I have owned 4 CGTS and currently own a BGTS, try and look for one with the GTS interior package and carbon bucket seats...

[Fizzbomb]

bo duke said:

If anyone is looking to sell their (manual) 981 GTS, I've been looking for about 2 months, and have cash waiting for your next adventure!
e.g. those GT4s now dipping under £80k (e.g. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Ideal spec below, but appreciate I'm probably not going to find that, so if you have a manual GTS in the right colour, Id love to hear from you (before I compromise on buying something entirely unsuitable!):
- Agate Grey, GT Silver or Carmine Red
- Manual
- Porsche Torque Vectoring
- Ceramic Brakes
- Bucket Seats

Or maybe even a 981S like the above - that's LOVELY!

I have owned 78 981 series examples, trust me the above listed demands will make the ultimate 981, but finding one will be a real challenge, I have owned 78 examples and it was unobtainable for me.

[Twinfan]

In my opinion folding buckets sit you too high in the cabin so I'd rather have sports seats plus. PCCBs are overkill unless you're tracking the car but replacement then gets very expensive.

If you HAVE to have that spec then be prepared for a very long wait until you find a car with it all.

[edo]

bcr5784 said:

JasonSteel said:

what exactly happens warranty wise if non N rated tires are fitted?

If you sell it via the dealer he will want you to pay the cost of N rated tyres (he can't sell it with warranty otherwise) and if you want warranty work which is any way related to the suspension they could prove iffy.

Only on the renewal warranty - not the original 3 year. I'd love to see Porsche prove a non N rated tyre caused damage to the car.

Clearly they can have whatever terms they want on their extended warranty.

[Prestonese]

Fizzbomb said:

I have owned 78 981 series examples, trust me the above listed demands will make the ultimate 981, but finding one will be a real challenge, I have owned 78 examples and it was unobtainable for me.

Hi Fizzbomb. Still in the market for GTSs these days? Have you had any others since we last spoke?

[edo]

Slippydiff said:

Twinfan said:

Thanks for the figures - far too much cash IMHO as you'd need to do the brakes too unless you have PCCBs already.

As for the "upgrade" to a GT4 I don't think that's worth £30k for road only use either. The GTS is a fantastic package for £55k - why pay more?

They're rarer than a GT4 too - even more so in manual form! (circa 145 UK cars)

As you've said, engine and brake upgrade to a GTS doesn't make a lot of sense, as once done it's getting rather too close for comfort value wise to a GT4, and come resale time you have car that's only going to appeal to a few, most of whom won't want to pay you anything like the original upgrade costs.

If you want to upgrade, you're far better off starting with a nicely specced S such as this "Unicorn" I viewed and test drove at Bristol OPC last October :



35k miles, GT silver, folding carbon buckets, PCCB's, Burmester, Bi Xenons etc etc. Asking price £42k IIRC

I'd planned to drop a 3.8 Gen 997 GTS Powerkit (408hp) engine into it. Jens said they came up reasonably frequently and were available for less than 10K euros. Fitting it and upgrading to circa 435hp (M&M exhaust manifolds, cats, exhaust system, cold air intake, decent air filter and remap along with lightweight flywheel, would've been another circa 10k euros.

So a properly braked with decent seats (and lit) 981 Cayman with 435 hp but without the OTT wings, splitters of the GT4 (and in a discrete colour) for £65k or a maybe bit less. Trouble is that left it on a par pricewise with a nice Mk1 or Mk2 996 GT3 ...... both of which would always have been worth intrinsically more come resale time. And whilst I might say I'd keep a 3.8 engined S forever, I know all too well that I get itchy feet and I would've sold it sooner or later ....

Fekcing hell. Burmester, PCCB and Carbon seats, I'd agree there cant be many of those about!

[bo duke]

Twinfan said:

In my opinion folding buckets sit you too high in the cabin so I'd rather have sports seats plus. PCCBs are overkill unless you're tracking the car but replacement then gets very expensive.

If you HAVE to have that spec then be prepared for a very long wait until you find a car with it all.

I'd be happy to find a manual car in the right colour at the mo, but no harm in dreaming, right?!
PJLarge's car was pretty much perfect for me, and is still out there somewhere, and I saw a couple of suitable cars while I was selling my 996T (to fund the GTS).

[Fizzbomb]

Prestonese said:

Hi Fizzbomb. Still in the market for GTSs these days? Have you had any others since we last spoke?

Hi there,
I actually bought my first BGTS in Racing yellow, somehow, it does not compare to a CGTS, however it does make the Boxster S look useless...

[Fizzbomb]

Fizzbomb said:

Hi there,
I actually bought my first BGTS in Racing yellow, somehow, it does not compare to a CGTS, however it does make the Boxster S look useless...

[Fizzbomb]

Fizzbomb said:

I might keep this for another month, then might consider a Spyder in Racing yellow.

[JayK12]

I have been umming and arring but I am going to put my Boxster GTS Manual for sale as I really need to focus on a project i am working on and need the funds for it. Its a shame because I love it, hopefully in a year I will be back.

[daz05]

Fizzbomb said:

Hi there,
I actually bought my first BGTS in Racing yellow, somehow, it does not compare to a CGTS, however it does make the Boxster S look useless...

Not with those wheels it doesn't.

[JayK12]

What are everyone's thoughts on depreciation on the GTS line, Boxster and Cayman (981) over the next 3 years? Last year a 1500 mile high spec GTS was 60K, now a high spec GTS with 5K miles is 60K plus .....this is for Boxsters.

So in 3 years time with 25K miles cars will be 5 years old....what do we think the price will be?

[jonttt]

Whoever can answer that can put my lottery ticket on for me

[JayK12]

What do we think....means what's everyone's thoughts and opinions.....

Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 2nd August 09:57