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AndyCGTS said:
EnS said:
Very nice looking CGTS Andy, don't see many in white with PCCB.Thinking of upgrading my CS to CGTS or BGTS.
Thank you.She has the full works with regards to driver add-on's, Buckets, PCCB's, X73 and PTV.
Nice spec. Manual or PDK?
CitySlicker said:
I am thinking of taking the plunge on my first Porsche and the Cayman GTS seems to fit my needs. Is it worth waiting for the 718 GTS or buying a used previous generation GTS?
The GTS are not / unlikely to be very different from the S in either case, its a few extra horse power and a nicer trim provided in a good value package. Try the 981S and 982/718S and you should be able to work out which is / would be for you.CitySlicker said:
I am thinking of taking the plunge on my first Porsche and the Cayman GTS seems to fit my needs. Is it worth waiting for the 718 GTS or buying a used previous generation GTS?
If you have to ask, you probably don't care about the engine difference. As suggested above, try the 981 and 982 S models and see which you prefer...CitySlicker said:
Where do people see the prices for the 981 CGTS over the next couple of years?
In the toilet. 10%p.a. depreciation until you can buy one for a fiver.Unless it has 17 miles on in which case it will be priced at £534,897.
(Joking aside, I cannot imagine the 718CGTS being as 'iconic' - for want of a better word - as the 981CGTS. So make of that what you will)
CitySlicker said:
Oh but I do, however the price points are so close that the extra power over the previous generation might offset the dull engine note. Where do people see the prices for the 981 CGTS over the next couple of years?
And are you really going to feel/use that extra 10/20 hp on the road?It's not about offsetting a 'dull engine note' - it's about offsetting 2 fewer cylinders inside the engine! AND the very essence of what has defined Porsche sport cars for decades - A FLAT SIX!
Not everyone is wedded to flat sixes, including Porsche who have produced a lot of 4s in the past.
Personally it's the lag more than the noise that puts me off the 718. However l can see the appeal of the extra torque ANY 718 (even the base car) has over any 981 and I could certainly use it.
I don't see the need of the outright power of the 718 S let alone the GTS.
Trying a 718 and a 981s or GTS should tell you what you would prefer.
Personally it's the lag more than the noise that puts me off the 718. However l can see the appeal of the extra torque ANY 718 (even the base car) has over any 981 and I could certainly use it.
I don't see the need of the outright power of the 718 S let alone the GTS.
Trying a 718 and a 981s or GTS should tell you what you would prefer.
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 10th August 07:34
I was talking to a Porsche tech at the weekend who had just been driving a 991.2 GTS. He was blown away by the car but at one point he did say, "I did think it sounded a bit 'flat' compared to what I was expecting...". So there is a guy in £110k's worth of car who's one hesitance about the experience was the sound the car made. It didn't ruin his experience by any stretch, but it was something which registered in his mind. So sound DOES matter to people, even if it's only to match their inner-child's expectations.
We then had a conversation about the 991.2 being more and more like a GT car these days than a sportscar and as such perhaps being a little less shouty even in Sport Plus mode etc.
On the same day I saw (and heard) my very first 718 Cayman S in the flesh. I completely understand what people are saying about the sound. I don't think it's a bad sound - it just doesn't suit the car at all. If it was an Audi S3 or a Focus RS that sounded that way, it would be fine...and I think that's what's wrong for me. It sounds like a hot hatch and not an expensive sportscar...let alone a Porsche.
By way of contrast, I was followed by a guy in a 964 gen 911 and when we stopped I had not even turned my engine off when there was a knock on my window. I shut the car down and opened the door to the driver of the 964 sporting a huge grin who said, "That thing sounds amazing!".
But it's all about personal choice and experience, so who am I to tell people what they should buy? It's your money - enjoy every penny of it!
We then had a conversation about the 991.2 being more and more like a GT car these days than a sportscar and as such perhaps being a little less shouty even in Sport Plus mode etc.
On the same day I saw (and heard) my very first 718 Cayman S in the flesh. I completely understand what people are saying about the sound. I don't think it's a bad sound - it just doesn't suit the car at all. If it was an Audi S3 or a Focus RS that sounded that way, it would be fine...and I think that's what's wrong for me. It sounds like a hot hatch and not an expensive sportscar...let alone a Porsche.
By way of contrast, I was followed by a guy in a 964 gen 911 and when we stopped I had not even turned my engine off when there was a knock on my window. I shut the car down and opened the door to the driver of the 964 sporting a huge grin who said, "That thing sounds amazing!".
But it's all about personal choice and experience, so who am I to tell people what they should buy? It's your money - enjoy every penny of it!
Edited by PhantomPH on Thursday 10th August 09:53
My thoughts on the GT4 vs the GTS after my PEC session today 
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
PhantomPH said:
We then had a conversation about the 991.2 being more and more like a GT car these days than a sportscar and as such perhaps being a little less shouty even in Sport Plus mode etc.
I remember being told with complete seriousness on this Porsche section back in 2009 that my manual 996 C4S coupe was a GT car and not a sports car 
A quick observation on the market right now:
1. Currently there are 14 CGTSs on the OPC locator versus 22 GT4s. This is down from 20+ GTSs only a few weeks ago.
2. 3 year PCP deals coming to and end may have flooded the market temporarily?
3. Pricing is highly variable, mileage is the major factor then overall spec (as you might expect).
4. PDK models are selling much faster than manuals and in greater quantities.
5. These cars get used Some of the mileages are very healthy.
Looking at manual models specifically:
1. There are 4 for sale right now and they have been there for a couple of months.
2. If you want a manual car, prepare to heavily compromise on your ideal spec. Very few come up for sale (I've only seen 6 or 7 in the OPC network in the last 12 months) and they vary considerably in spec level.
3. Being rarer doesn't make them worth a fortune. It seems most people don't really want the Spanish gearbox, they want PDK.
Bottom line - if you have a well specced manual car hang on to it! If you sell it and then want to replace it you'll have a very hard time doing so.
1. Currently there are 14 CGTSs on the OPC locator versus 22 GT4s. This is down from 20+ GTSs only a few weeks ago.
2. 3 year PCP deals coming to and end may have flooded the market temporarily?
3. Pricing is highly variable, mileage is the major factor then overall spec (as you might expect).
4. PDK models are selling much faster than manuals and in greater quantities.
5. These cars get used
Some of the mileages are very healthy.Looking at manual models specifically:
1. There are 4 for sale right now and they have been there for a couple of months.
2. If you want a manual car, prepare to heavily compromise on your ideal spec. Very few come up for sale (I've only seen 6 or 7 in the OPC network in the last 12 months) and they vary considerably in spec level.
3. Being rarer doesn't make them worth a fortune. It seems most people don't really want the Spanish gearbox, they want PDK.
Bottom line - if you have a well specced manual car hang on to it! If you sell it and then want to replace it you'll have a very hard time doing so.
Twinfan said:
3. Pricing is highly variable, mileage is the major factor then overall spec (as you might expect).
is mileage the biggest factor though? or is it spec? or age? or maybe it's the condition of the car (which rarely gets mentioned)? or what they think they can get away with?in the end likely a combination of all these factors, hence the variations is price.
for example there's a 30k mile car (the highest mile car currently on the OPC network) priced at £58,900 with a decent but not outstanding spec. it's one of the oldest too...
and then there's a - pretty stunning looking actually - yellow manual with 8k miles and a basic spec @ £68k. Or a 5k grey manual with decent spec also @ around £68k...
i don't think there are many 'rules' that come from looking at what's on offer and like you say, there are pretty big, often inexplicable variations in price.
I think that 30k car is too expensive, it should be in the low £50k price bracket. Prices are generally mileage dependent unless the spec is odd, like the silver GTS with tan leather interior that was up for sale for a while.
Asking prices are very varied, but I think there's a slight correction going on as GT4 prices fall and the 718 GTS starts to appear on the horizon. I'm curious to see what prices will look like in around 6 months when the 718 GTS has been announced at the 718 GT4 may be breaking cover.
Asking prices are very varied, but I think there's a slight correction going on as GT4 prices fall and the 718 GTS starts to appear on the horizon. I'm curious to see what prices will look like in around 6 months when the 718 GTS has been announced at the 718 GT4 may be breaking cover.
My car is already the slowest depreciating (*modern) car I have ever owned, so it's all gravy as far as I'm concerned. even if it starts to depreciate like a normal car, I will still be a happy boy!
- Obvs I cannot include classics that have gone up in value over the course of my ownership, but I'm inclined to think they are an unfair comparison.
Same for me too, and I couldn't care if it started to sink like a stone. I'm highly unlikely to ever sell it as there's nothing I would want to replace it with unless I win the lottery!
As I've said before the Cayman R at £40k-plus is going to keep a good GTS in £50k-plus bracket for the moment. I can't see them ever dropping below the price of the CR unless there's a sudden mad rush for the 987 model, which I think is probably unlikely.
As I've said before the Cayman R at £40k-plus is going to keep a good GTS in £50k-plus bracket for the moment. I can't see them ever dropping below the price of the CR unless there's a sudden mad rush for the 987 model, which I think is probably unlikely.
Come on Twin don't leave us BGTS owners out. 
lol.
7 BGTS in the OPC network. 1 Manual which is the most expensive and has PCCBs etc.
Finding a BGTS is quite tough, especially manual. I fell lucky when finding mine with the spec I wanted.
They are holding money well, but very spec sensitive.
lol.7 BGTS in the OPC network. 1 Manual which is the most expensive and has PCCBs etc.
Finding a BGTS is quite tough, especially manual. I fell lucky when finding mine with the spec I wanted.
They are holding money well, but very spec sensitive.
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