Cayman GTS

[Mario149]

FocusRS3 said:

It's a catch 22 as if you want to use the car on track the standard brakes I don't feel are up to the job but then ceramics for track use are far from ideal .

...only if you're Walter Rohl IMO The average (even experienced) track dayer is not going to get out of a 981 GTS on steels and think it's under braked. I never managed to cook the brakes on my 981 BGTS even on Bedford GT! I managed to there once on my 993 C2 mind, scared the bejesus out of myself

[JasonSteel]

Twinfan said:

Buckets are overrated on non-GT cars IMHO, especially the sit-you-higher-in-the-cabin non-lowering folding GT2-type which are the only ones you can get

i recently drove the 718S and a GT4 at a Silverstone PEC day. both had fully adjustable seats and i can't say i felt any lower in them, even at their lowest setting.

i certainly wouldn't swap them for my lowly 2 way buckets

[Twinfan]

Each to their own of course!

[Trgasy]

Twinfan said:

Agreed. GTS is not a track car IMHO. Specced for road use it's ace, leave the track to the GT4

I went to LeMans Bugatti circuit few days ago... the GTS is a joy to use on track, especially with sport chassis/bucket seats despite not being a track car. Honestly it does the job very well. I could overtake much faster cars (991 turbo, gt3, 997 gt3 rs etc...) thanks to fast cornering (helped by PTV). And i have lots of room to improve (turning just under 2min per lap)



Gt4 is a notch better in every area except bumps, however price does not justify this IMHO.

[JayK12]

Trgasy said:

Twinfan said:

Agreed. GTS is not a track car IMHO. Specced for road use it's ace, leave the track to the GT4

I went to LeMans Bugatti circuit few days ago... the GTS is a joy to use on track, especially with sport chassis/bucket seats despite not being a track car. Honestly it does the job very well. I could overtake much faster cars (991 turbo, gt3, 997 gt3 rs etc...) thanks to fast cornering (helped by PTV). And i have lots of room to improve (turning just under 2min per lap)



Gt4 is a notch better in every area except bumps, however price does not justify this IMHO.

The GTS is a car that can be used on track no problem, its a very capable car on track, its a sports car right. A GT4 is still a sports car but a better track car no doubt, but still no race car.

[Twinfan]

Trgasy said:

GT4 is a notch better in every area except bumps, however price does not justify this IMHO.

Totally agree, except I think the engine in the GTS is better - it's sweeter sounding and revs more freely with a really nice top end

[Trgasy]

JayK12 said:

The GTS is a car that can be used on track no problem, its a very capable car on track, its a sports car right. A GT4 is still a sports car but a better track car no doubt, but still no race car.

GT4 is a track car, certainly not a race car... It deserve a proper engine not a detuned carrera! Made the Gods of Pork hear me, a gt3 engine detuned in a cayman gt4 with proper aero!!

in the meantime, the Gts is sweet on track and practical on roads...

btw, any idea of sudden fall in prices ? is it gt4 related?

[Twinfan]

Trgasy said:

GT4 is a track car, certainly not a race car... It deserve a proper engine not a detuned carrera! Made the Gods of Pork hear me, a gt3 engine detuned in a cayman gt4 with proper aero!!

If they use that motor it'll have to be so detuned it'll be rubbish IMHO.

Tragsy said:

btw, any idea of sudden fall in prices ? is it gt4 related?

Yep. GTS prices will track underneath GT4 prices until they start to get squeezed from below by Cayman R prices. Both 981 series cars are bottoming out I think.

[Twinfan]

This is interesting:

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...

It's up for sale at £62,995 with 5473 miles.

Base car: £55397
Carmine Red paint: £1595
Sport Classic wheels: £729
Park assist front and rear: £599
Folding mirrors: £203
Heated seats: £284
Phone prep: £446
PCM nav: £2141
Sound Package Plus: £396

Total: £61790

So it's up for sale at a price above its original list price, and it doesn't have the supposed "holy grail" spec of buckets and X73 suspension plus the 718 GTS has been announced (as an F4 turbo, as expected).

Pricing certainly still seems strong on the 981 GTS...

[FocusRS3]

Twinfan said:

This is interesting:

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...

It's up for sale at £62,995 with 5473 miles.

Base car: £55397
Carmine Red paint: £1595
Sport Classic wheels: £729
Park assist front and rear: £599
Folding mirrors: £203
Heated seats: £284
Phone prep: £446
PCM nav: £2141
Sound Package Plus: £396

Total: £61790

So it's up for sale at a price above its original list price, and it doesn't have the supposed "holy grail" spec of buckets and X73 suspension plus the 718 GTS has been announced (as an F4 turbo, as expected).

Pricing certainly still seems strong on the 981 GTS...

Seems horrendously overpriced to me but then its uber low mileage

[Twinfan]

It's lower than mine which is going some! I'm on 5800 for an April 2016 car.

It has some sensible options, without going overboard, and it's low miles. Still asking one seriously strong price. It would put mine roughly another £1000 more expensive than that.

[shiggy]

on the look for a GTS but being my first foray i am amazed at some of the pricing.

looking at the GTS in Solihull Porsche and JZM...

age apart i am staggered how little movement there appears to be on pricing..

[shiggy]

also does anyone have brochure for the GTS so that i can workout original prices...

[Twinfan]

The prices have hardly moved from new - they're a very desirable car being the top of line and last of the NA flat six versions, and there aren't usually many in the OPC network.

Options prices aren't listed in the brochure so that won't really help you. If you need specific pricing for anything post them up here and myself or someone else will help you out

[pete.g]

shiggy said:

on the look for a GTS but being my first foray i am amazed at some of the pricing.

looking at the GTS in Solihull Porsche and JZM...

age apart i am staggered how little movement there appears to be on pricing..

My previous car is for sale at OPC Belfast for a realistic price - about £5k below list price for June 2016 car, 7200 miles.

[bcr5784]

Give serious thought to whether you really want a GTS and why. S models with very similar specs are much cheaper. A rational argument would say an S is much better value and drives every bit as well - but given that the GTS has (for reasons quite beyond me) more kudos and hence retained value, the financial argument is less clear cut than it might be.

[Twinfan]

The problem can be finding an S with the extra bits - PSE, PASM or X73, Sports Seats Plus or folding buckets, Sports Chrono etc. The GTS was the only non-GT Cayman with a full alcantara interior too.

I agree though, being sure you want a GTS is a key choice. For me it was a GTS or nothing

[pete.g]

bcr5784 said:

Give serious thought to whether you really want a GTS and why. S models with very similar specs are much cheaper. A rational argument would say an S is much better value and drives every bit as well - but given that the GTS has (for reasons quite beyond me) more kudos and hence retained value, the financial argument is less clear cut than it might be.

I don't think many S buyers specified their cars to GTS standard, besides which the exhaust is bespoke, the extra power (which I noticed, even if others don't) could not be added, the exterior could be added, though you see very few, but the interior could not. There really isn't a financial argument - if you afford the cost of buying, the depreciation will be less with a GTS and the in to out cost of ownership will be lower.

We hear a lot from owners of S and GT4 claiming not to understand the appeal of the GTS, but it's the only 981 I'd have again.

[daz05]

bcr5784 said:

Give serious thought to whether you really want a GTS and why. S models with very similar specs are much cheaper. A rational argument would say an S is much better value and drives every bit as well - but given that the GTS has (for reasons quite beyond me) more kudos and hence retained value, the financial argument is less clear cut than it might be.

Very true. A similarly specified S should depreciate now at a similar rate and you can put the spare change towards another toy.

[gtsralph]

pete.g said:

I don't think many S buyers specified their cars to GTS standard, besides which the exhaust is bespoke, the extra power (which I noticed, even if others don't) could not be added, the exterior could be added, though you see very few, but the interior could not. There really isn't a financial argument - if you afford the cost of buying, the depreciation will be less with a GTS and the in to out cost of ownership will be lower.

We hear a lot from owners of S and GT4 claiming not to understand the appeal of the GTS, but it's the only 981 I'd have again.

GTS models are really nice, I liked my Carerra GTS which had different engine internals. On the 981, power is just a different throttle body map for 15PS which some people added to S models in 2014 and no different exhaust per the PET. As often with Porsche, several small changes plus interior make for a different car.