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pretty quiet over here!!
just saying hi from Pyraneans mountain (Spain side)
this car is just awesome (u guessed that haha)
feel light, nimble in twisty roads throttle response is quick, break is superb
enjoying it even at low speed thanks to its great feedback from ps4s, direction, bucket seats and sport chassis ie whole package!
when there is no one on the roads apart friends in Porsche, this car is really brillant especially in manual!
just saying hi from Pyraneans mountain (Spain side)
this car is just awesome (u guessed that haha)
feel light, nimble in twisty roads throttle response is quick, break is superb
enjoying it even at low speed thanks to its great feedback from ps4s, direction, bucket seats and sport chassis ie whole package!
when there is no one on the roads apart friends in Porsche, this car is really brillant especially in manual!
pete.g said:
I'm just going to use my Land Cruiser for the winter and look around for something in the Spring - it was a wrench letting it go, but it was the right thing for me to do just at the moment.
Hello Pete G - is that your car on display at the Porsche website at the moment? I'm looking to buy either a very good Cayman S or a GTS at the moment and will be posting on another thread soon to get advice from the forum as I am seriously torn between a very high spec'd Cayman S 2016 vs a 2016 GTS. Memnoch888 said:
Hello Pete G - is that your car on display at the Porsche website at the moment? I'm looking to buy either a very good Cayman S or a GTS at the moment and will be posting on another thread soon to get advice from the forum as I am seriously torn between a very high spec'd Cayman S 2016 vs a 2016 GTS.
My ex-GTS is indeed on the Porsche website - at £58,995 i think it would be a very good buy.The only thing it doesn't have that some people view as an essential is parking sensors, though I believe they can be retro-fitted.
I'd go GTS every time - slightly more power and a great sound from the PSE.
pete.g said:
My ex-GTS is indeed on the Porsche website - at £58,995 i think it would be a very good buy.
The only thing it doesn't have that some people view as an essential is parking sensors, though I believe they can be retro-fitted.
I'd go GTS every time - slightly more power and a great sound from the PSE.
Hello Pete GThe only thing it doesn't have that some people view as an essential is parking sensors, though I believe they can be retro-fitted.
I'd go GTS every time - slightly more power and a great sound from the PSE.
Ahh I thought it might have been! Good to know it is owned by a fellow forum member. Just a little bit of my background - I have not owned a Cayman before though a few of my friends have the 981 S and I've always wanted to have it. Been researching a lot more about the GTS. I test drove the 718 S last week and I'm afraid its just not for me - I love the way the 981 sounds and I hope to own one soon!
I've browsed the forums to educate myself on the GTS values and it seems the depreciation is closer to a 5% to 6% compared to the depreciation value of 10% - 12% on the Cayman S. I was just wondering if folks here had an opinion on this and why? I think its quite amazing that the GTS's can indeed hold their value. I know the Porsche Centre in Chiswick, London has one and it looks really really good! (Dark Blue)
Memnoch888 said:
Hello Pete G
Ahh I thought it might have been! Good to know it is owned by a fellow forum member. Just a little bit of my background - I have not owned a Cayman before though a few of my friends have the 981 S and I've always wanted to have it. Been researching a lot more about the GTS. I test drove the 718 S last week and I'm afraid its just not for me - I love the way the 981 sounds and I hope to own one soon!
I've browsed the forums to educate myself on the GTS values and it seems the depreciation is closer to a 5% to 6% compared to the depreciation value of 10% - 12% on the Cayman S. I was just wondering if folks here had an opinion on this and why? I think its quite amazing that the GTS's can indeed hold their value. I know the Porsche Centre in Chiswick, London has one and it looks really really good! (Dark Blue)
GTS all the time! Fab car and the noise is certainly the best I’ve heard from any car to date. FYI mine’s on sale with RPM - let me know if you have any questions. Ahh I thought it might have been! Good to know it is owned by a fellow forum member. Just a little bit of my background - I have not owned a Cayman before though a few of my friends have the 981 S and I've always wanted to have it. Been researching a lot more about the GTS. I test drove the 718 S last week and I'm afraid its just not for me - I love the way the 981 sounds and I hope to own one soon!
I've browsed the forums to educate myself on the GTS values and it seems the depreciation is closer to a 5% to 6% compared to the depreciation value of 10% - 12% on the Cayman S. I was just wondering if folks here had an opinion on this and why? I think its quite amazing that the GTS's can indeed hold their value. I know the Porsche Centre in Chiswick, London has one and it looks really really good! (Dark Blue)
Memnoch888 said:
I've browsed the forums to educate myself on the GTS values and it seems the depreciation is closer to a 5% to 6% compared to the depreciation value of 10% - 12% on the Cayman S. I was just wondering if folks here had an opinion on this and why? I think its quite amazing that the GTS's can indeed hold their value.
Top of the line models with good options as standard, model specific features e.g. alcantara, power levels, body styling etc, and in the case of the 981 it's the last of the naturally aspirated flat six models - what's not to love? No surprise they're holding their value well IMHO!Good luck in your hunt, they're stunning cars and well worth the price of asking.
If you're comparing from new, depreciation has been less on the GTS. Whether that pattern will continue for the next 3 years is hard to say, but you could probably expect the GTS to hold value better than an S.
All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
EDIT: After having a quick look on the OPC list it seems 'S' models are holding pretty strong too, topping out at £50k. I think all 981s are doing OK at the moment...
All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
EDIT: After having a quick look on the OPC list it seems 'S' models are holding pretty strong too, topping out at £50k. I think all 981s are doing OK at the moment...
Edited by Twinfan on Monday 30th April 13:47
Twinfan said:
If you're comparing from new, depreciation has been less on the GTS. Whether that pattern will continue for the next 3 years is hard to say, but you could probably expect the GTS to hold value better than an S.
All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
EDIT: After having a quick look on the OPC list it seems 'S' models are holding pretty strong too, topping out at £50k. I think all 981s are doing OK at the moment...
Noted and thank you Twinfan. Just looked at Porsche instead of Autotrader and I see what you mean. I agree and I think the 981's are holding out. I really, really wanted to like the 718 but for me personally the engine sound was a big factor. All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
EDIT: After having a quick look on the OPC list it seems 'S' models are holding pretty strong too, topping out at £50k. I think all 981s are doing OK at the moment...
Edited by Twinfan on Monday 30th April 13:47
Never tried the 718 GTS though..
The GTS engine/exhaust and general character won't be much different to the S if you've driven one of those. Depending on how you felt about the S you won't need to drive a GTS to decide if it's for you or not.
If you're after low depreciation, I would think a 981 will fare better than a 718 over the next few years but that's just one opinion.
If you're after low depreciation, I would think a 981 will fare better than a 718 over the next few years but that's just one opinion.
Porsche AUC prices are strong, but there doesn't seem to be much movement in their sales for the 981's at the moment - Indeed just seen another drop of 5% of a GTS today from last weeks price.
As ever, negotiation room is dependent on the dealer so it may be worthwhile making an offer and seeing if it will stick.
As a consumer you have time on your side, as I said on the other thread I believe the new 718 GT4 will depress current GT4 prices, which in turn will knock down the 981 GTS. The economy has stalled so dealers may be more willing to do deals in a few months for approved cars ( New will always be shielded by the target market wealth ) - Just my opinion though.
As ever, negotiation room is dependent on the dealer so it may be worthwhile making an offer and seeing if it will stick.
As a consumer you have time on your side, as I said on the other thread I believe the new 718 GT4 will depress current GT4 prices, which in turn will knock down the 981 GTS. The economy has stalled so dealers may be more willing to do deals in a few months for approved cars ( New will always be shielded by the target market wealth ) - Just my opinion though.
Twinfan said:
If you're comparing from new, depreciation has been less on the GTS. Whether that pattern will continue for the next 3 years is hard to say, but you could probably expect the GTS to hold value better than an S.
All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
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Be interesting to see how it plays out. If you look at the 991 this time last year I reckon there were maybe 15 991 GTS's across the variants for sale on the AUC site (before 991.2 GTS was launched). Currently there are 60 All costs are the same for either an S or a GTS - servicing, tyres, extended warranty, repairs etc so depreciation is the key difference in cost of ownership.
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A lot of 991.1's were traded in for 991.2 GTS's which owners love and I think the consensus is that it's the better car. There are now more 991 GTS's on the AUC site than there are of the base 991 Carrera's (42 cars currently listed) Cayman will be different I suspect mainly because a lot of people will keep the 981 because of the naturally aspirated engine but they sold 500 of them in the UK and they will be looking to sell at least as many 718 GTS's so it's now a mainstream model....so not sure GTS variants will keep the strong residuals they have relative to the rest of the range.
Yep, I think the engine switch in the Cayman is much more significant than in the 991. I personally think the 981 is peak Cayman, regardless of gearbox choice. Whether the market will agree is another matter.
Interestingly though, now the 718 GTS has been on a sale a little while and cars are arriving, I've not seen a significant increase in the number of 981 GTS models for sale.
Interestingly though, now the 718 GTS has been on a sale a little while and cars are arriving, I've not seen a significant increase in the number of 981 GTS models for sale.
Yes Twinfan - you are correct.
The idea of buying a car like this with a 2.0 or 2.5 litre engine seems like madness to me. The 981 Cayman S and GTS are 3.4 for gods sake!
That is more significant to me than the loss of two cylinders.
2.0 is not and never will be 'special' - its a shopping car engine size.
Brilliant marketing by Porsche though to get people to fall for it.
The idea of buying a car like this with a 2.0 or 2.5 litre engine seems like madness to me. The 981 Cayman S and GTS are 3.4 for gods sake!
That is more significant to me than the loss of two cylinders.
2.0 is not and never will be 'special' - its a shopping car engine size.
Brilliant marketing by Porsche though to get people to fall for it.
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