Cayman GTS

[drcarrera]

shiggy said:

philnotts said:

OPC Nottingham has a Carmine Red CGTS i think...

has turbo alloys. thanks though

Get them to swap the wheels as part of the deal. That's what I did when I bought mine (I'm with you in your dislike of the turbo alloys).

[Prestonese]

shiggy said:

if it wasnt yellow it would have been sold by now....

Nah. It's definitely because it's PDK :-)

[shiggy]

need paddles...

dont buy into the manual hype (controversial statement)...

[Porsche911R]

shiggy said:

need paddles...

dont buy into the manual hype (controversial statement)...

I would agree don't buy a manual in the 981 it don't suit the engine and 20" wheels.

PDK is a far better match in the 981 cars.

It's not about manual VS PDK , you have to look at the bigger picture.

I would not go near a 987.2 PDK, but to the same note I would not go near a 981 manual 3.4.

[Twinfan]

Gearing in 987.2 and 981 is pretty similar if I recall - 70ish max in second versus 75ish.

PDK vs manual in both 987 and 981 is just a personal choice as to what suits you best.

[testdrive]

Porsche911R said:

I would agree don't buy a manual in the 981 it don't suit the engine and 20" wheels.

PDK is a far better match in the 981 cars.

It's not about manual VS PDK , you have to look at the bigger picture.

I would not go near a 987.2 PDK, but to the same note I would not go near a 981 manual 3.4.

He's right.

[testdrive]

Yellow does look good, very good in fact, but, committing to it, that's the problem.

[bcr5784]

Twinfan said:

Gearing in 987.2 and 981 is pretty similar if I recall - 70ish max in second versus 75ish.

PDK vs manual in both 987 and 981 is just a personal choice as to what suits you best.

It would be that simple if the gearing was the same - but it isn't. 981 is 84 ish in second - manual vs 70 ish in PDK. 100 in 3rd pdk vs 115 manual. That for some will be a decider. In reality at (vaguely) legal speeds to keep the engine on the boil you will only have a choice of second or (not always) third in a manual. If you like changing gear you won't have a lot of options with a manual when pressing on - you'll do more with PDK.

[Twinfan]

Sorry, I was comparing manual 987.2 vs manual 981.

PDK is a little bit shorter on both I think as you say.

[TDT]

PDK in the 981 (3.4) makes it an absolute weapon.

When I specced my 981 CGTS from new, I did back to back of Manual and PDK. I didn’t like the manual at that time for some reason.
PDK is so fast, the ratios are pretty sweet and you can have a lot of fun with it… the car is fast.

I always thought of my Cayman GTS as a mini 458.

Manual in the GT4 works because you have more torque to carry the ratios, but even then some want for even shorter… which would make it a tricky car… so it actually needs completely revised custom ratios to make it perfectly suited for road, or to make it as fast as it could possibly be, but then threatening the 911.
As it is, it’s a slight compromise, but it carries it well enough.

[Twinfan]

So by the same logic, PDK is the best gearing choice for the 987.2 and 997.2 as well?

[JasonSteel]

TDT said:

you can have a lot of fun with it…

my thoughts exactly... re manual box

i found PDK to be a bit boring to use and not much fun at all. yes the manual gearing is too long and PDK changes are pretty much perfect, but i still wouldn't want PDK over a lever and pedal.

each to their own and all that.

[TDT]

The issue with the 9x7 gen is that PDK is Gen1 as pretty much dim-witted and slow, compared to 9x1.

It was reason enough for me to sell my PDK 997.2 911 Carrera GTS and move to the 981 Cayman GTS.

After I tried the new gearbox, the Carrera GTS was ruined for me… had to drive around in sport mode all the time to get a similar response to normal mode in the 981, and then it was still unnatural.

As soon are you introduce technology into the equation… the latest is always the best… in which case sometimes the beat way forward is backward.

That’s why manuals will always have a place.
And car interiors without massive tablets for infotainment will stand the test of time.

Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th February 21:03

[shiggy]

for everyday, i find a pdk more suited to what i need. had a manual previously and honestly got somewhat tired of constantly being on and off a clutch..

i have no intention to track it or profess to be a heel'n'toe behind chris harris...

pull up..push down..

[Twinfan]

For a road car I personally want more involvement, so manual is the only choice for me. My car isn't a daily, so on-off clutch in traffic isn't an issue. No car is perfect, so you choose what's important and go with it. I'll live with the longer gearing for the benefit of using one of the the best manual gearboxes around.

Horses for courses, you pays yer money and takes yer choice blah blah. Same with suspension options, seat and colour choice etc.

[bungle]

bcr5784 said:

I981 is 84 ish in second - manual vs 70 ish in PDK. 100 in 3rd pdk vs 115 manual. That for some will be a decider. In reality at (vaguely) legal speeds to keep the engine on the boil you will only have a choice of second or (not always) third in a manual. If you like changing gear you won't have a lot of options with a manual when pressing on - you'll do more with PDK.

Gosh, is it really that bad (long)?

I haven't driven a manual Cayman for about 10 years (so 987 I guess), and I remember the gearing feeling too long, but I don't remember it being that bad (long).

Has the gearing got even longer over the various iterations?!

[JayK12]

testdrive said:

Porsche911R said:

I would agree don't buy a manual in the 981 it don't suit the engine and 20" wheels.

PDK is a far better match in the 981 cars.

It's not about manual VS PDK , you have to look at the bigger picture.

I would not go near a 987.2 PDK, but to the same note I would not go near a 981 manual 3.4.

He's right.

No he is not. He made a personal opinion which i find laughable.

I drove them back to back, the PDK has closer ratio's and some people will prefer this, some people will prefer just paddles. Others like myself will find them dull as fk, and want a manual to make the drive more involving even though the gearing is longer.

Its all a personal opinion, there is no right or wrong, anyone who says there is needs to get off there fking high horse.

Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th February 09:22

[bungle]

ps. (sorry off-topic as not 981 GTS, but carries on the gearing theme) ... has the 718 also carried over the long gearing?

[Twinfan]

My understanding is that the 987, 981 and 718 manuals all have the same (or as near as dammit) gearbox. So the 'problem' has been there for all iterations of the Cayman.

[Geoff39GL]

JayK12 said:

testdrive said:

Porsche911R said:

I would agree don't buy a manual in the 981 it don't suit the engine and 20" wheels.

PDK is a far better match in the 981 cars.

It's not about manual VS PDK , you have to look at the bigger picture.

I would not go near a 987.2 PDK, but to the same note I would not go near a 981 manual 3.4.

He's right.

No he is not. He made a personal opinion which i find laughable.

I drove them back to back, the PDK has closer ratio's and some people will prefer this, some people will prefer just paddles. Others like myself will find them dull as fk, and want a manual to make the drive more involving even though the gearing is longer.

Its all a personal opinion, there is no right or wrong, anyone who says there is needs to get off there fking high horse.

Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th February 09:22

I agree it is personal opinion, my 981 GTS was a manual and was fully loaded it was a lovely car and the manual box gave the involvement, yes the ratios were long but it was still preferable for me.
As a matter of fact when I exchanged it for the GT4, David (911R) enquired about purchasing it and if I had not been given such a good trade in he may have bought it. If I knew where it was now (somewhere on the south coast) I would buy it back, at the time I could not afford 2 Porsches but it would be the ideal Summer sports car.