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A GT3 is the only car I'd trade mine for too. A GT4 isn't that much different, and in fact I think the 3.4 engine feels better than the 3.8. No way it's worth the extra 50%/£25k to change.
A 991.1 GT3 at twice the price, including a chocolate engine, makes it a complete no-go. A 991.2 is the only option for me, but they're an eye watering price.
As you can see, I'm in it for the long haul with my CGTS unless the 718 GT4 blows me away once its finally announced!
A 991.1 GT3 at twice the price, including a chocolate engine, makes it a complete no-go. A 991.2 is the only option for me, but they're an eye watering price.
As you can see, I'm in it for the long haul with my CGTS unless the 718 GT4 blows me away once its finally announced!
Fully agree, not even sure if the 718 GT4 will be worth the upgrade.
It's so sad in a way, I have been trapped by the damn good capabilities of CGTS and now it's a struggle to update. Buckets and X73 make it a very focused road car and even cars with more power cant keep up with it in terms of engagement.
Clock is ticking and I would like to change it soon, hopefully GT4 will be out soon for me to decide...well assuming I get hold of an allocation...
It's so sad in a way, I have been trapped by the damn good capabilities of CGTS and now it's a struggle to update. Buckets and X73 make it a very focused road car and even cars with more power cant keep up with it in terms of engagement.
Clock is ticking and I would like to change it soon, hopefully GT4 will be out soon for me to decide...well assuming I get hold of an allocation...
I'd want a manual gearbox, and the 7-speed in the 991.1 GTS or S is not as good as the Cayman. As for a 911T, the turbos would be an issue for me.
The 718 GT4 has the awful interior vents and sports chrono clock location, a fat backside, ugly reflectors in the rear bumper and will have a restricted engine with GPFs. I want to like it enough to fight for an allocation slot, but I just can't get excited about it
The 718 GT4 has the awful interior vents and sports chrono clock location, a fat backside, ugly reflectors in the rear bumper and will have a restricted engine with GPFs. I want to like it enough to fight for an allocation slot, but I just can't get excited about it
RBT0 said:
That’s true, been trying to replace it for almost a year simply because I got bored after 4 year, but demonstration of how good it is, I haven’t managed to get it go because it’s very difficult to replace it, need at least a GT3.
Every time I drive it, it’s still a superb, nimble, so precise and communicating experience.
Very fking difficult to replace it indeed.
Driven a 992 2S with sports exhaust in Sport plus mode yesterday and...no comment, complete disaster, I wouldnt trade mine for it even at zero cost, felt lot disengaged from the road compared to mine. Need a GT3 indeed to move the game up. Or a McLaren.
I was twitching and decided to get a GT4 instead, but missed out of a few and took a side ways step instead with a race car. Its a cracking the GTS but now I've done it and experienced it I'd probably try something else when I came back to a fun road car. Every time I drive it, it’s still a superb, nimble, so precise and communicating experience.
Very fking difficult to replace it indeed.
Driven a 992 2S with sports exhaust in Sport plus mode yesterday and...no comment, complete disaster, I wouldnt trade mine for it even at zero cost, felt lot disengaged from the road compared to mine. Need a GT3 indeed to move the game up. Or a McLaren.
Edited by JayK12 on Tuesday 7th May 18:26
Difficult to know what for though Jay imo. Besides GT4/ Spyder i can't really see where you'd go next without spending a hell of a lot more and ending up with ridiculous running costs. The only reasonably priced alternative I could see right now is the exige S3 mules spending 20k more on GT4/Spyder. That said Beedubs z4 is for sale in the classifieds. It deserves a look. 500bhp with suspension and brakes to match. I think it'd be perfect for you.
jbaddeley said:
Difficult to know what for though Jay imo. Besides GT4/ Spyder i can't really see where you'd go next without spending a hell of a lot more and ending up with ridiculous running costs. The only reasonably priced alternative I could see right now is the exige S3 mules spending 20k more on GT4/Spyder. That said Beedubs z4 is for sale in the classifieds. It deserves a look. 500bhp with suspension and brakes to match. I think it'd be perfect for you.
R8 v10? Dropping in price and 570s will be 10 quid next week lol. Thats a mental spec Z4, but im not too botbered about a road sports/super car at the mo. I might look at a 360 Manual at some point for road. Modern cars for road fun are abit meh.
jbaddeley said:
Difficult to know what for though Jay imo. Besides GT4/ Spyder i can't really see where you'd go next without spending a hell of a lot more and ending up with ridiculous running costs. The only reasonably priced alternative I could see right now is the exige S3 mules spending 20k more on GT4/Spyder. That said Beedubs z4 is for sale in the classifieds. It deserves a look. 500bhp with suspension and brakes to match. I think it'd be perfect for you.
Why aren't you at least considering the Alpine A110 if you are thinking of a fun road car?bcr5784 said:
jbaddeley said:
Difficult to know what for though Jay imo. Besides GT4/ Spyder i can't really see where you'd go next without spending a hell of a lot more and ending up with ridiculous running costs. The only reasonably priced alternative I could see right now is the exige S3 mules spending 20k more on GT4/Spyder. That said Beedubs z4 is for sale in the classifieds. It deserves a look. 500bhp with suspension and brakes to match. I think it'd be perfect for you.
Why aren't you at least considering the Alpine A110 if you are thinking of a fun road car?Edited by TDT on Tuesday 7th May 18:47
Twinfan said:
Because of the badge, engine and gearbox all being wrong (for me anyway).
Just try one and you might find (as most of the motoring press have) that other factors transcend your (and mine too) natural preferences. Even if they don't transcend yours they might transcend his. And try to rationally argue that it is ACTUALLY expensive leaving out the badge.Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 7th May 18:47
981 GTS is tough act to follow as a one car to do it all.
You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
TDT said:
981 GTS is tough act to follow as a one car to do it all.
You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
+1You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
This for me, exactly.
TDT said:
981 GTS is tough act to follow as a one car to do it all.
You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
Fair point but some of us have come from 981s including CGSs (and 911s) and felt it was a good move to the A110 - don't you think you should just give it a try? What have you got to lose - apart from your prejudices? (I think you ought to try an Evora 400 too, it may surprize you if you haven't actually driven one - no turbo or auto gearbox issues to consider).You need to spend more to get a big enough step change, and then you start to think about whether or not it was really worth it at all or whether that money would have been better off in your bank or spend on a holiday etc...
Many of the cars mentioned here are worthy contenders - but they all are a step in one direction or another (daily liveability vs cost vs performance vs interaction/feedback vs image) if you have the 981 GTS as your sweet spot.
Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 7th May 18:56
Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 7th May 18:58
bcr5784 said:
Fair point but some of us have come from 981s including CGSs (and 911s) and felt it was a good move to the A110 - don't you think you should just give it a try? What have you got to lose - apart from your prejudices?
I personally would give an A110 a try - if i was in the market... it's a different formula vs the 981 GTS - I view the A110 like a mini 570S - which i have driven.As i mentioned before - if it had a manual option and was 10K cheaper ((just because of general badge perception, not mine, - Renault derivative - and materials) then i think it would totally clean up - as it is know that the chassis, drive and handling are class leading... at least on par with the Caysters - so the gearbox option and price would give it a clear edge.
TDT said:
I personally would give an A110 a try - if i was in the market... it's a different formula vs the 981 GTS - I view the A110 like a mini 570S - which i have driven.
As i mentioned before - if it had a manual option and was 10K cheaper ((just because of general badge perception, not mine, - Renault derivative - and materials) then i think it would totally clean up - as it is know that the chassis, drive and handling are class leading... at least on par with the Caysters - so the gearbox option and price would give it a clear edge.
Problem is that the A110 is (in engineering terms) a more premium product than either a Cayman or the new Supra - and more expensive to make as a result. The fact that the market may not perceive it that way is obviously a marketing obstacle. Ultimately if Renault are to establish Alpine as their premium brand it is an obstacle that they need to overcome.As i mentioned before - if it had a manual option and was 10K cheaper ((just because of general badge perception, not mine, - Renault derivative - and materials) then i think it would totally clean up - as it is know that the chassis, drive and handling are class leading... at least on par with the Caysters - so the gearbox option and price would give it a clear edge.
bcr5784 said:
Problem is that the A110 is (in engineering terms) a more premium product than either a Cayman or the new Supra - and more expensive to make as a result. The fact that the market may not perceive it that way is obviously a marketing obstacle. Ultimately if Renault are to establish Alpine as their premium brand it is an obstacle that they need to overcome.
Answer in bold. It a market perception… but that translates into units sold. Only other issue for the A110.… as a function of its size is lack of luggage/cargo space.
Cayman has the equivalent of a Focus… this is invaluable for a one car to do it all.
TDT said:
Answer in bold. It a market perception… but that translates into units sold.
Only other issue for the A110.… as a function of its size is lack of luggage/cargo space.
Cayman has the equivalent of a Focus… this is invaluable for a one car to do it all.
Don't disagree and certainly the Cayman trumps everything else in its class in terms of luggage space. That will be decisive for some However compared with most of the opposition the A110 is on a par - I've had no real trouble packing luggage for a 3 week holiday in mine.Only other issue for the A110.… as a function of its size is lack of luggage/cargo space.
Cayman has the equivalent of a Focus… this is invaluable for a one car to do it all.
JayK12 said:
jbaddeley said:
Difficult to know what for though Jay imo. Besides GT4/ Spyder i can't really see where you'd go next without spending a hell of a lot more and ending up with ridiculous running costs. The only reasonably priced alternative I could see right now is the exige S3 mules spending 20k more on GT4/Spyder. That said Beedubs z4 is for sale in the classifieds. It deserves a look. 500bhp with suspension and brakes to match. I think it'd be perfect for you.
R8 v10? Dropping in price and 570s will be 10 quid next week lol. Thats a mental spec Z4, but im not too botbered about a road sports/super car at the mo. I might look at a 360 Manual at some point for road. Modern cars for road fun are abit meh.
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