Cayman GTS v Cayman R
Discussion
Comparisons between old and new boxsters and Caymans are ten a penny, it is interesting to see how many of the differences between old R/Spyders and 981's hold up.
Vastly better interior, better electronics, lighter, longer wheelbase, wider track, bigger inside, more fuel efficient.
Is a new Cayman S lighter and more powerful than an old R? I don't know.
It's the interior that's the biggie for me. A 981 interior really looks and feels like the same quality as a £100k+ 911 and I don't think you can say that about an R or Spyder.
Vastly better interior, better electronics, lighter, longer wheelbase, wider track, bigger inside, more fuel efficient.
Is a new Cayman S lighter and more powerful than an old R? I don't know.
It's the interior that's the biggie for me. A 981 interior really looks and feels like the same quality as a £100k+ 911 and I don't think you can say that about an R or Spyder.
Edited by paralla on Sunday 27th April 22:00
The GTS looks far too much like the 911 at the back for me to ever consider buying one. The rear end of the 987.1 was the reason why I love the car. As a new-ish owner I would say that the standard 987 S (perhaps with a power tweak if I get too used to the current power available) is all that is required. That is my view and I understand that many others are lovers of 911's and may rather like the less curvy rear.
I have never said it before but since the new 981 Cayman has come out, it is just is a poor mans 911 now.
the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman(or should I say a Cayman is now very 911) just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman(or should I say a Cayman is now very 911) just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 28th April 09:53
mrdemon said:
I have never said it before but since the new 981 Cayman has come out, it is just is a poor mans 911 now.
the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
I agree with mr d on this I would rather have a991 than a 981 .imho a porsche as always looked spartan in the cabin and that is what I like but now it looks to Audi.the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
I would take the R over a Gts IMHO it's the purer porsche and better looking
Well for me status, kudos and stigma aren't part of the decision. If I wanted a 911 I'd buy one of those.
For me its the 6 speed manual, mid engined layout and drop dead gorgeous exterior. I don't think that everyone always thought and continues to think that a cayman is a gesture from Porsche for people who can't afford a 911. Anyone who thinks a 911 is better than a Cayman because of a name/badge or because of how it's perceived is a wally.
For me its the 6 speed manual, mid engined layout and drop dead gorgeous exterior. I don't think that everyone always thought and continues to think that a cayman is a gesture from Porsche for people who can't afford a 911. Anyone who thinks a 911 is better than a Cayman because of a name/badge or because of how it's perceived is a wally.
mrdemon said:
I have never said it before but since the new 981 Cayman has come out, it is just is a poor mans 911 now.
the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
991 is still rear engined.the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
The 981 does not look more like a 991 than the 987 did like a 997. If anything, I think the new Cayman is more differentiated from the 911 than was the case for the previous generation.
I like my 987.2 in part because it shares its curvy shape with the 997 (which I also like). The 981 is a lot more angular than any 911.
I agree re the centre console/tunnel on the 981. It is a very strange addition. I find the cabin a bit cluttered and "modern", too.
On a bit of a tangent, I test drove a Mazda 3 this weekend and loved its slighly old-school unfussy cabin (without loads of stupid lights and buttons). I think Porsche has so far done OK (but no better than OK) at avoiding becoming all tech-obsessed and glittery (like an Audi or Ford), but there has definitely been a move that way between the 987 and the 981.
For what it is worth, I am pretty sure that ALL of the major weight-saving steps, suspension tweaks and the power bump from the Cayman R are now in (as standard or as options) in the 981. You can have a 981 in Cayman R flavour if you want, apart from silly things like the little door pulls (which are extremely naff in a car that still weighs 1300kg or so!)
I like my 987.2 in part because it shares its curvy shape with the 997 (which I also like). The 981 is a lot more angular than any 911.
I agree re the centre console/tunnel on the 981. It is a very strange addition. I find the cabin a bit cluttered and "modern", too.
On a bit of a tangent, I test drove a Mazda 3 this weekend and loved its slighly old-school unfussy cabin (without loads of stupid lights and buttons). I think Porsche has so far done OK (but no better than OK) at avoiding becoming all tech-obsessed and glittery (like an Audi or Ford), but there has definitely been a move that way between the 987 and the 981.
For what it is worth, I am pretty sure that ALL of the major weight-saving steps, suspension tweaks and the power bump from the Cayman R are now in (as standard or as options) in the 981. You can have a 981 in Cayman R flavour if you want, apart from silly things like the little door pulls (which are extremely naff in a car that still weighs 1300kg or so!)
Kawasicki said:
mrdemon said:
I have never said it before but since the new 981 Cayman has come out, it is just is a poor mans 911 now.
the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
991 is still rear engined.the cars always held it's own before, but now, it's just a cheaper slower 911 all be it an expensive one lol.
I am not a fan of the big centre tunnel either on a RWD car, the nice point about RWD is no tunnel and more room.
really not sure why people are so excited about the 981 range esp in Cayman form
I used to pride myself choosing a Cayman over a 997 now I think I would have to make the jump to the base model 991, the 991 is not a rear engine car anymore so you may as well get a real 350BHp.
people always harp on about "if only the Cayman Had more power) but now the 991 is a Cayman just buy that sub 10 second 100mph car.
even the 991 size is not much bigger now, only 7mm wider.
I guess that's always the issue when a Company want to make them look all the same, the cheaper ones then are poor mans versions.
mrdemon said:
what's a 458 then ?
Porsche keep bringing that engine forward and keep widening that front track so help turn it, it's nothing like a 911 these days only in name.
458 would be mid-engined.Porsche keep bringing that engine forward and keep widening that front track so help turn it, it's nothing like a 911 these days only in name.
Think the 911 engine is still far enough back to be rear engined. The lump would be where the seats are if mid engined.
mrdemon said:
Kawasicki said:
991 is still rear engined.
what's a 458 then ?Porsche keep bringing that engine forward and keep widening that front track so help turn it, it's nothing like a 911 these days only in name.
mrdemon said:
both are 42 front 58 rear on the weight split :-)
Porsche are not daft true rear engine layout was dead years ago.
Weight distribution doesn't equal handling.Porsche are not daft true rear engine layout was dead years ago.
Cars are always being optimised...here is some gumpf about the '69 911 B series
"In 1969 the B-series offered a better solution to improve the 911's behaviour. The rear wheels were moved 57 mm backwards, changing the fore /aft weight distribution from 41.5 / 58.5 to 43 / 57. This meant the 911 became more stable"
There is nothing unusual about a rear engined car with 42/58 weight dist.
Mr D is conflating rear-engined and rear-heavy. Plenty of FR cars have about a 50/50 split: the weight distribution does not tell you much about the layout.
The 911 is still rear-engined because the engine is above and/or bit behind the rear axle, rather than being located within the wheel base (like the Cayman or any other mid-engined car). Simple, really...
The 911 is still rear-engined because the engine is above and/or bit behind the rear axle, rather than being located within the wheel base (like the Cayman or any other mid-engined car). Simple, really...
ORD said:
Mr D is conflating rear-engined and rear-heavy. Plenty of FR cars have about a 50/50 split: the weight distribution does not tell you much about the layout.
The 911 is still rear-engined because the engine is above and/or bit behind the rear axle, rather than being located within the wheel base (like the Cayman or any other mid-engined car). Simple, really...
and you think with all the electrics going on the layman can tell a Cayman from a 991 when driving.The 911 is still rear-engined because the engine is above and/or bit behind the rear axle, rather than being located within the wheel base (like the Cayman or any other mid-engined car). Simple, really...
a 964 from a few years back had over 60% weight at the rear, Porsche keep bringing it in :-)
my CSL had a front engine with 50/50 split so agree it does not say much about layout , but the new Cayman and 991 are so close now its getting a mute point imo
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 28th April 14:01
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