Future Values of 987 Spyder
Discussion
Im getting 370-380 Maha-measured HP from some tuning headers exhaust tb etc later this year, but thats beside the point.
Power is not relevant, its all about the feel.
If you want A-B pace, get a TT RS cab. Nothing short of a stage 2 GTR is gonna see that off at public roads....
What I love about my cayman R is Analogue steering, Passive suspension and the last of the 997-gen feel.
Ive tried both 991 and 981, and its too audi/VAGesque for me - this is where I get off - for people wanting great GT daily drivers they are fantastic cars though.
Power is not relevant, its all about the feel.
If you want A-B pace, get a TT RS cab. Nothing short of a stage 2 GTR is gonna see that off at public roads....
What I love about my cayman R is Analogue steering, Passive suspension and the last of the 997-gen feel.
Ive tried both 991 and 981, and its too audi/VAGesque for me - this is where I get off - for people wanting great GT daily drivers they are fantastic cars though.
981 spyder is it a marketing exercise on the back of the gt4?hence why it was released after!
the problem with the 981gt4/spyder is the 981.2s cars will have 375/385hp albeit turbo but still have the same electric steering and long wheelbase etc whereas the 987 spyder/r are the last of the proper cars or am i talking b||*ks.but the more i think about it the 987 is the better car as a keeper
the problem with the 981gt4/spyder is the 981.2s cars will have 375/385hp albeit turbo but still have the same electric steering and long wheelbase etc whereas the 987 spyder/r are the last of the proper cars or am i talking b||*ks.but the more i think about it the 987 is the better car as a keeper
I wise person once said that the best cars porsche makes are not the super special RS editions with front lips who start writing checks every speed bump, but rather the allround models who can do many things, alp blasts rough roads some track work daily driving etc. this is what porsche is really about.
Im 30, the cayman R is my only car, I drive it year around and the suspension is a tad hard on rough roads but mostly its spot on!
manual gearbox, passive suspension, great NA engine, 1290 kiloes, 2 bucket seats. Im like a pig in sh.it. litterarily NOTHING else does it for me.
a GT3 has no underseal protection, is way too hard, jumps around on poor norwegian roads, bumpers are ruined first drive due to rough roads, way too low....
Turbo is a mega-GT, 997 .2 manual possibly but even then it has the PASM... nope, Ive arrived.
Car for life this
Im 30, the cayman R is my only car, I drive it year around and the suspension is a tad hard on rough roads but mostly its spot on!
manual gearbox, passive suspension, great NA engine, 1290 kiloes, 2 bucket seats. Im like a pig in sh.it. litterarily NOTHING else does it for me.
a GT3 has no underseal protection, is way too hard, jumps around on poor norwegian roads, bumpers are ruined first drive due to rough roads, way too low....
Turbo is a mega-GT, 997 .2 manual possibly but even then it has the PASM... nope, Ive arrived.
Car for life this
Axel987 said:
I wise person once said that the best cars porsche makes are not the super special RS editions with front lips who start writing checks every speed bump, but rather the allround models who can do many things, alp blasts rough roads some track work daily driving etc. this is what porsche is really about.
Im 30, the cayman R is my only car, I drive it year around and the suspension is a tad hard on rough roads but mostly its spot on!
manual gearbox, passive suspension, great NA engine, 1290 kiloes, 2 bucket seats. Im like a pig in sh.it. litterarily NOTHING else does it for me.
a GT3 has no underseal protection, is way too hard, jumps around on poor norwegian roads, bumpers are ruined first drive due to rough roads, way too low....
Turbo is a mega-GT, 997 .2 manual possibly but even then it has the PASM... nope, Ive arrived.
Car for life this
but the 987 spyder betters it because you can have the roof down on those sunny days!Im 30, the cayman R is my only car, I drive it year around and the suspension is a tad hard on rough roads but mostly its spot on!
manual gearbox, passive suspension, great NA engine, 1290 kiloes, 2 bucket seats. Im like a pig in sh.it. litterarily NOTHING else does it for me.
a GT3 has no underseal protection, is way too hard, jumps around on poor norwegian roads, bumpers are ruined first drive due to rough roads, way too low....
Turbo is a mega-GT, 997 .2 manual possibly but even then it has the PASM... nope, Ive arrived.
Car for life this
The 981 Spyder "only" has a 9% better torque to weight ratio than the 987.
Rumours are that the new Boxster/Cayman S engines will get 350 PS with 520 Nm torque or more, so they will feel (and be) vastly faster in everyday use.
The question is how much power are you willing to give up for a car that still feels "alive". I don't own a 987 or 981 yet but I've test driven them extensively and came to the conclusion that the "base" 981S is the better car as a daily driver but the 987S feels much more like a sportscar.
As such I'd pick the older version over the newer version, just like I would pick a 190 PS '73 911S over a 300 PS '93 993 C2 or what have you.
The question is how many people feel the same way... all I know is that the whole current lineup from VAG feels polished to the point where they feel lifeless. It started with VWs and it's slowly creeping into the other brands... hell even the new Lamborghini suffers from Audi's terminal understeer. I doubt cars will get more raw from here on out...
Rumours are that the new Boxster/Cayman S engines will get 350 PS with 520 Nm torque or more, so they will feel (and be) vastly faster in everyday use.
The question is how much power are you willing to give up for a car that still feels "alive". I don't own a 987 or 981 yet but I've test driven them extensively and came to the conclusion that the "base" 981S is the better car as a daily driver but the 987S feels much more like a sportscar.
As such I'd pick the older version over the newer version, just like I would pick a 190 PS '73 911S over a 300 PS '93 993 C2 or what have you.
The question is how many people feel the same way... all I know is that the whole current lineup from VAG feels polished to the point where they feel lifeless. It started with VWs and it's slowly creeping into the other brands... hell even the new Lamborghini suffers from Audi's terminal understeer. I doubt cars will get more raw from here on out...
anonymous said:
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Hate the looks of the 986 really, also 2.5 wouldnt be able to fight its way out of a wet paper bag. additionally, The engine is a piece of junk, one of the worst engines in history - a sports car begins and ends with its engine for me, its the throbbing heart.Im not that fond of the design either, the cabin is horrible the seats are ugly and dont get me started on the vile M96 engine.
9A1 engine , great great chassis ( leagues ahead of the 986), manual stick, glorious carbonfibre buckets..... GREAT looks.
A fellow enthusiast commented in the mirror my car looked like a Carrera GT, high praise indeed
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You could, the Gen 1 cars are producing engine failures like its going out of fashion and has for years now. The DFI engine has been successfully raced for nigh-on 200.000 miles in the states now, HARD - and they are solid engines. Comparing the M96/M97 engines with the 9A1 engines and saying "well the latter will probably start failing soon too" is ridicilous, the engine has proved itself for almost 7 years now. Its design has also been used with success in both the GT3 AND the turbo, they all share the same 9A1 architecture. As you well know, 996 and 997 Turbo/ GT3s didnt.
Im not saying the DFI engine is the best thing since sliced bread or the worlds greatest engine. What I will say is that Porsche did what they never managed to do with the M96 and M97, namely design a solid and robust base engine. Thats all.
And I aint askin for more
I will admit the M96 and M97 engine do sound a bit sweeter, however the tradeoff is a tad rich
Also, I know that the smaller 2.5 and 2.7 ARE less prone to scoring etc, they are more solid its true. HOWEVER they still are known to, and do - fail from time to time. Would it keep me up at night? Well maybe, it does cost a packet to fix and its a sour thing indeed to fork out your hard-earned because porsche couldnt keep a engine from lunching itself. Its not the cars fault per se but rather Porsches lack of effort to make good on the owners.
Anyhow, Im sure its a sweeter drive ultimately, but then again a Lotus Elise is that much sweeter again , and a caterham even more so.
We all choose our cut-off points for how much we want to compromise for the sake of "the ultimate thrill", and I guess for some the shove in your back aint that important - but my good can that 3.4 DFI engine shift! Goes like stink. Mighty push in the back from 3.000 RPM all the way to the 7600 rpm redline!
Also, I know that the smaller 2.5 and 2.7 ARE less prone to scoring etc, they are more solid its true. HOWEVER they still are known to, and do - fail from time to time. Would it keep me up at night? Well maybe, it does cost a packet to fix and its a sour thing indeed to fork out your hard-earned because porsche couldnt keep a engine from lunching itself. Its not the cars fault per se but rather Porsches lack of effort to make good on the owners.
Anyhow, Im sure its a sweeter drive ultimately, but then again a Lotus Elise is that much sweeter again , and a caterham even more so.
We all choose our cut-off points for how much we want to compromise for the sake of "the ultimate thrill", and I guess for some the shove in your back aint that important - but my good can that 3.4 DFI engine shift! Goes like stink. Mighty push in the back from 3.000 RPM all the way to the 7600 rpm redline!
the 987/2 Spyder is a modern day classic now, there are only a few that achieve this status so early in life and this is one that does. one of the big factors the affect the future values is milage and another is spec. these Spyders are usualy weekend toys, second or even third cars so many do not usualy even see rain.
as for spec, well there is colour, carrera white was the launch colour and would appear to be the most popular, i think red and silver also look good and the blue is very unusual but looks super, that brings us to black, too high maintence for me but can look good when super polished. then there is the old argument manual v PDK, well i am not going there.
it would appear there are some esential requirements of spider ownership, Spyder wheels and sports exhaust. there are some desireable options also like short shift on manual cars and sports chrono. that brings us to seats, well for me it has to be CF buckets but some do not like them but every one to their own. some options can be sought after but not for me, one being air con, i think no open top car used in UK need it but again that is just me. PCCB, very expensive optional extra. full leather interior (i would love to have had that on my car but again not many cars with that on)
these cars are realy super cars to own and drive, people look at them and dont even think it is a Boxster. they could display one in an art gallery and woul not look out of place
these cars will always do well with their future values but will be efected with milage and spec
as for spec, well there is colour, carrera white was the launch colour and would appear to be the most popular, i think red and silver also look good and the blue is very unusual but looks super, that brings us to black, too high maintence for me but can look good when super polished. then there is the old argument manual v PDK, well i am not going there.
it would appear there are some esential requirements of spider ownership, Spyder wheels and sports exhaust. there are some desireable options also like short shift on manual cars and sports chrono. that brings us to seats, well for me it has to be CF buckets but some do not like them but every one to their own. some options can be sought after but not for me, one being air con, i think no open top car used in UK need it but again that is just me. PCCB, very expensive optional extra. full leather interior (i would love to have had that on my car but again not many cars with that on)
these cars are realy super cars to own and drive, people look at them and dont even think it is a Boxster. they could display one in an art gallery and woul not look out of place
these cars will always do well with their future values but will be efected with milage and spec
didnt take long for a slanging match but the dfi is better than any m96/7 period!
having owned a 986.2s a 987.1s and now a 987.2 the latter is the better car by far likewise the 987.1s was better than the 986.2s.to say a 2.5 986 is the best car all round is madnes if small engines are your thing then the 2.9 987.2 wins hands down over the 2.5 986!
forget the engine for a moment the 986 interior is drab the car is ugly with those fried egg headlights,but its still a porsche so therefore a better car than many but not better than a 987.2!
having owned a 986.2s a 987.1s and now a 987.2 the latter is the better car by far likewise the 987.1s was better than the 986.2s.to say a 2.5 986 is the best car all round is madnes if small engines are your thing then the 2.9 987.2 wins hands down over the 2.5 986!
forget the engine for a moment the 986 interior is drab the car is ugly with those fried egg headlights,but its still a porsche so therefore a better car than many but not better than a 987.2!
itsybitsy said:
didnt take long for a slanging match but the dfi is better than any m96/7 period!
having owned a 986.2s a 987.1s and now a 987.2 the latter is the better car by far likewise the 987.1s was better than the 986.2s.to say a 2.5 986 is the best car all round is madnes if small engines are your thing then the 2.9 987.2 wins hands down over the 2.5 986!
forget the engine for a moment the 986 interior is drab the car is ugly with those fried egg headlights,but its still a porsche so therefore a better car than many but not better than a 987.2!
+1.having owned a 986.2s a 987.1s and now a 987.2 the latter is the better car by far likewise the 987.1s was better than the 986.2s.to say a 2.5 986 is the best car all round is madnes if small engines are your thing then the 2.9 987.2 wins hands down over the 2.5 986!
forget the engine for a moment the 986 interior is drab the car is ugly with those fried egg headlights,but its still a porsche so therefore a better car than many but not better than a 987.2!
anonymous said:
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had the 2003 986s from new it was well looked after etc etc but ate its ims at 13k miles, says it all really about that engine and i was not an isolated case!and that was well before bore scoring came to join the party!imho the m96/7 is a crap engine the engine in my 1.25 zetec fiesta is better!Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff