12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

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DJMC

2,329 posts

44 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
living with a GT4 is it quite compromised, it's very low, the sus is hard, in fact it's harder on soft than my New TTS on it's hard mag ride setting, yes you can spec leather and pcm but you cannot get it in a car park or a multiplex complex etc it's too low and it runs on CUP 2's which will kill you in the rain and low temps come Jan. then you have buckets which put anyone over 55 off and these are much harder to get into than the R, the opening gap when you try and slide in is smaller in the GT4 than my Spyder ! you have to watch NOT to catch the door with a muddy foot and they seem further away than the Spyder also from seat to sill.

99% people said the R was nothing more than an S with a few trinkets, but even that seems to have been too compromised for the buying public and many speced chairs not buckets !

people don't want hardcore, that's a fact, how many GT4 are CS pack with no PCM/Radio unit, no leather, phone and the lightweight battery etc etc ie a track spec 3% 2% ?
respect to those 2% mind you, how many Spyder's were true lightweight spec like mine ? 3 yep only 3 and they were only because they were Porsche press cars ! NO ONE speced them lightweight !!
does make people who have CS pack a bit strange if they added all the st back in, but hay ho each to their own and all that, all it's added imo is more in car creeks, knocks etc and 15kg of weight high up over the roll centre of the car !!!

how many people will fit after market rear toe links on to make it really trackable ? 5% I bet not even that. more the point how many with CS pack ;-)

Porsche have to sell these cars, after all they are road cars, not race cars and not wanna be race cars ! 70% will never see a track.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 4th December 09:51
Yes, I agree that Porsche are pandering to those who want some comfort, like me, but after years of going from 0-60 in 1 second in my racing days it's not so much that I don't like "speed" it's just that I've done it to death and so want something else. My recent 2012 TTS, with mag ride in normal was "bobbly" and its handling didn't inspire any confidence despite the 4WD. Mag ride, for me, was hopeless. Far too hard. But to others, maybe those who track a little, it could be ideal.
My previous '03 E46 330ci MSport was a great handling car where, after 9 years, I knew its limits. So I personally have tried to emulate the BMWs best bits (RWD, 6cyl) whilst enjoying being able to use more of the Cayman's engine revs in it's base 2.7 form. I can well see how folks become addicted to speed, but that is quite often interpreted as acceleration rather than on the move speed through bends etc. I'm sure a GT4 could thrash my 2.7 around a track, but in everyday road conditions I have a blend of comfort (PASM, 14 way seats) and performance which, so far, makes this model ideal for me as a daily driver. If I were 30 years younger I'm sure I'd have more of a GT4 head on.
So, there's no right or wrong as to which engine or spec but cleverly Porsche allow their customers to choose the spec which suits them in any of the Cayman's manifestations. They are the masters of marketing, but also make extremely well engineered cars. A perfect combination for a profitable business.
I'm off to Silverstone on the 17th to find my Cayman's limits. Can't wait another 9 years!

RSVP911

6,463 posts

74 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
no one had 15 from the 1st allocation any way. I have said that before, some things not quite right, and as the Poster will not say which OPC had 15 and now has had 20 !

You may as well say one OPC had 35 cars on a forum or 50.

we will know the numbers in 12 months till then it's all a bit hear say like the GT3 numbers were.

my OPC will not take deposits, they have a list of deposits after the 7 or so cars they are getting, where as Nottingham will take your GT4 money still and are saying they can get you a car !

Again it's a mess and I bet Porsche are loving it as are OPC's with the double sells.

Porsche took 30 million in GT4 deposits at a guess it's great marketing to get cash in 12 months before a car comes out, and 1/3 of those people have NOT got their deposits back yet !

As for Porsche caring about flippers, of course they don't care if they did they would be up front and say don't worry we are making 500 UK cars not 200, but when Porsche say we are only making 200 then of course cars will get flipped for money, again a win win for Porsche and a win win for the OPC's

here is a car with no spec in the early days and it took 30 million is deposits minimum !
I agree with a lot of this , especially the bit about Porsche not caring about flippers (esp if back into the network) In terms of my reluctance to stating which OPC - really sorry , but I don't want to get anyone into trouble and compromise my relationship , but surely by now you can see I'm genuine and as such , I'm afraid you are just going to have to trust me in this or not , it's up to you. But hopefully as I have a GT4 slot , we can agree that I don't have an agenda to drive down prices - I just want my info to be in the public domain to help people make informed decisions.
Re the 15 to 20 - I've always said 15 until the extra allocation of 5 , hence the 20 - I've been absolutely consistent on this - but there are lots of posts flying about and as such it is easy to get one comment mixed with another - I know I can't remember what everyone says all the time / what cars they have etc - old age is creeping in smile

RSVP911

6,463 posts

74 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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mdianuk said:
Fair enough matey, look forward to receiving my 50p wink
Now I've hooked you in do you want to raise it to 55p ??? Dare you smile

apachesmith

Original Poster:

499 posts

61 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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Scooty100 said:
apachesmith said:
Currently 12 GT4's for sale on Piston Heads with 4 being added today!

To date only one looks to have sold via JZM, the other seem to be hanging around. Is this a sign that people aren't willing to pay the over inflated prices on these cars or people are just biding their time to see where the market goes when all of the cars have been delivered?

Also this has to be an eye opener to Porsche that a good number of the early cars that have been delivered to their favored customers are straight to re-sale? I'm surprised the 20-30k increase in price on these cars is enough to make people sell these cars especially given how rare they are and how good they seem to be!
Seen similar posts by people that wanted a car but didn't get one . Called sour grapes . No other reason to start such s thread
Sorry to disappoint Scooty100, Mine is ordered and due early 2016. I'm just curious that so many are up for sale rather than being driven as the should be! I'm not sure there is a lot Porsche can do about this but it seems the speculators are getting first dibbs!

nutbehinddawheel

304 posts

137 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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From start to finish the way Porsche have handled the supply of the car and availability of options has been a complete farce.
In the main, once a car had been ordered,neither the dealer nor the customer have been able to keep a solid handle as to when the car would be built.
The availability status of options has constantly changed.
Adding a footwell storage net would mean you lost lwb and clubsport-what.
A few cars appear in August/September then supply dries up again
Then cars build status suddenly appear and Porsche virtually build the whole of the first years allocation and more and deliver them all over a 6 week period.
Great !
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cc3

376 posts

57 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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nutbehinddawheel said:
From start to finish the way Porsche have handled the supply of the car and availability of options has been a complete farce.
In the main, once a car had been ordered,neither the dealer nor the customer have been able to keep a solid handle as to when the car would be built.
The availability status of options has constantly changed.
Adding a footwell storage net would mean you lost lwb and clubsport-what.
A few cars appear in August/September then supply dries up again
Then cars build status suddenly appear and Porsche virtually build the whole of the first years allocation and more and deliver them all over a 6 week period.
Great !
Current numbers for sale doesn't look unusual. Even if they did produce 450 it will still be rare. Look for example at a BMW 1M. Nice car not quite a GT4 but they produced 450. First cars were 2011 and low mileage cars still go for slightly more than original list. There was the usual initial speculation but used cars on the market have now settled into a set pattern.

PorscheGT4

16,494 posts

206 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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pats 987.2 100 manual UK Spyders, seems rare now ;-)

WCZ

6,487 posts

135 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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isn't the reason why most people specced a light weight battery is that with nobody driving them to keep the mileage down there is a good chance of them going flat?

birdcage

2,459 posts

146 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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This one is optimistically priced

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Some of them have been specced oddly. Almost as if people kept the cost down knowing they were going to flip them, maybe they won't be so easy to sell and the dealers will mostly likely only take those on sale or return.

Has my post been illuminating, not really! I am one of the people who want one directly without paying the premium!











hondansx

3,310 posts

166 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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£104k for an LHD Cayman.... lol

apachesmith

Original Poster:

499 posts

61 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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birdcage said:
This one is optimistically priced

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Some of them have been specced oddly. Almost as if people kept the cost down knowing they were going to flip them, maybe they won't be so easy to sell and the dealers will mostly likely only take those on sale or return.

Has my post been illuminating, not really! I am one of the people who want one directly without paying the premium!

I think someone needs to have a word with DK Engineering...Their advert reads "Only 50 GT4s are destined for the UK and these have all been sold." I'm not sure which GT4 they're referring to but that's simply not true!

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

187 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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v8ksn said:
It's a strange world when you can pay a £30k premium for a £65k car or for the same outlay buy a McLaren 12C that cost £165k in 2011
Totally agree.

Scooty100

1,469 posts

57 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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apachesmith said:
Sorry to disappoint Scooty100, Mine is ordered and due early 2016. I'm just curious that so many are up for sale rather than being driven as the should be! I'm not sure there is a lot Porsche can do about this but it seems the speculators are getting first dibbs!
Far from disappointed I get mine this month.
I couldn't care about speculators it's not why I ordered my car but no denying jzm sold that car last week for a net profit of about 25k profit for the first owner . Let's hope they go back to list then I'll buy another one

mdianuk

2,807 posts

112 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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Scooty100 said:
Far from disappointed I get mine this month.
I couldn't care about speculators it's not why I ordered my car but no denying jzm sold that car last week for a net profit of about 25k profit for the first owner . Let's hope they go back to list then I'll buy another one
You'll keep buying at list? Confident of them holding at least that value long term, or just want two of them to play with?

itsybitsy

3,701 posts

126 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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Scooty100 said:
Far from disappointed I get mine this month.
Sounds like both ours will be delivered together as mine is due in to opc on the 18th woohoo

av185

8,109 posts

68 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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apachesmith said:
I think someone needs to have a word with DK Engineering...
Trading Standards could help to justify their existence and pay them a visit.....yes

Scooty100

1,469 posts

57 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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mdianuk said:
You'll keep buying at list? Confident of them holding at least that value long term, or just want two of them to play with?
They won't be back at list for a very long time imo . At least a years free motoring

Scooty100

1,469 posts

57 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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itsybitsy said:
Sounds like both ours will be delivered together as mine is due in to opc on the 18th woohoo
He Itsy you just before me mate. I'm back end of Dec they just told me so it'll be Jan registration

itsybitsy

3,701 posts

126 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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Scooty100 said:
He Itsy you just before me mate. I'm back end of Dec they just told me so it'll be Jan registration
I let you know when it's in if you fancy a gander! I have asked for it to be registered 1st jan2016 as I won't get to use it over xmas much too many beer momentsdrink

Akajak

768 posts

180 months

Friday 4th December 2015
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birdcage said:
This one is optimistically priced

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Some of them have been specced oddly. Almost as if people kept the cost down knowing they were going to flip them, maybe they won't be so easy to sell and the dealers will mostly likely only take those on sale or return.

Has my post been illuminating, not really! I am one of the people who want one directly without paying the premium!


they are Ferrari specialists biggrin