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Absolutely.
The GTS is a glorious road car and I had some amazing adventures in mine. To tell the truth I wish I could have kept it! Would have loved to have both.
There has been quite a lot of GTS hate around these parts (mainly one culprit) and I would never slate it. Just four pots!
The GTS is a glorious road car and I had some amazing adventures in mine. To tell the truth I wish I could have kept it! Would have loved to have both.
There has been quite a lot of GTS hate around these parts (mainly one culprit) and I would never slate it. Just four pots!
ghiblicup said:
Twinfan said:
Keep the GTS, it's rarer. Much more so if you have a Spanish transmission
I have done just that - manual GTS to GT4. Believe me it's worth it...ghiblicup said:
Absolutely.
The GTS is a glorious road car and I had some amazing adventures in mine. To tell the truth I wish I could have kept it! Would have loved to have both.
There has been quite a lot of GTS hate around these parts (mainly one culprit) and I would never slate it. Just four pots!
I have been told alot of people who are changing from their GTS, actually end up keeping it too. The GTS is a glorious road car and I had some amazing adventures in mine. To tell the truth I wish I could have kept it! Would have loved to have both.
There has been quite a lot of GTS hate around these parts (mainly one culprit) and I would never slate it. Just four pots!
Twinfan said:
ghiblicup said:
I have done just that - manual GTS to GT4. Believe me it's worth it...
To you maybe, but it wouldn't be to me. I'm a road-only user and wouldn't get £30k-plus more enjoyment out of it, if anything it would be worse for my uses 
The GT4 is an epic road car. Quite possibly the sweet spot in terms of performance, interaction and usability. And quite possibly above the 991 GT3 for road use.
I did drive a GTS on a quickish demo a few years ago. I lovely car but it felt a bit low on power and needed to be revved so hard to get going.
The GT4, on the other hand has plenty of power and is a great road car. I'm yet to track mine but having done 4000 road miles (some trips 600 miles in a day) I can safely say it is a great road car. It surprised me as to how comfortable it is on long journeys so long as you have the right spec (18 way seats are fantastic).
Clearly it's not a luxury saloon, but as an engaging road car with huge ability and grip when the road get interesting it is superb. I bloody love it, and have no desire for a more powerful more compromised GT3. Nor would I want the lesser powered GTS.
Each to their own but I think it's the perfect combo. I gather they're quick handy on track also.
The GT4, on the other hand has plenty of power and is a great road car. I'm yet to track mine but having done 4000 road miles (some trips 600 miles in a day) I can safely say it is a great road car. It surprised me as to how comfortable it is on long journeys so long as you have the right spec (18 way seats are fantastic).
Clearly it's not a luxury saloon, but as an engaging road car with huge ability and grip when the road get interesting it is superb. I bloody love it, and have no desire for a more powerful more compromised GT3. Nor would I want the lesser powered GTS.
Each to their own but I think it's the perfect combo. I gather they're quick handy on track also.
jcosh said:
I did drive a GTS on a quickish demo a few years ago. I lovely car but it felt a bit low on power and needed to be revved so hard to get going.
The GT4, on the other hand has plenty of power and is a great road car.
Although if there is one main criticism of the GT4 it would be the slightly detuned Carrera engine lacking the top end bite of the GT3. The GT4, on the other hand has plenty of power and is a great road car.
Interesting that a few on PH with lois for the car actually cancelled when this engine spec was announced. Preferable would have been a more tuned higher revving 3.4 engine more akin to the Porsche GT spirit....although this clearly would be of little use for 'legal' road driving and would have no doubt bumped the bargain otr price up somewhat. Nevertheless nice to have though.
Edited by av185 on Wednesday 7th June 14:51
Personally speaking, it's the engine spec that I think makes the current over list pricing "wrong". I don't find the car special or rare enough to justify it. All you GT4 owners seem to be very satisfied though so what do I know?
I think any folk turning down the GT4 who are now in line for the 991.2 GT3 instead certainly did the right thing...
I think any folk turning down the GT4 who are now in line for the 991.2 GT3 instead certainly did the right thing...
GTS was amazing and felt very quick with pdk, but the GT4 blows it out of the water. The cost to change might seem a lot coming from a GTS, but its the GT4 is undeniably a far more special car. At first, the engine is one of the biggest differences you feel, but after the initial honeymoon period, I now agree it is a slight let down being 'just' a lowly 3.8 from a 911, but hey, its a reasonably lightweight car with bags of traction and plenty of poke.
If it revved a bit higher and the first and second gears were a little shorter so it could be revved out on the road without risking points i think it would be the ultimate car. I'll probably come back to this post in a few years when I can afford an F12 or 675LT and laugh at how naive I was, but for now, I can't really see where to go from the GT4.
If it revved a bit higher and the first and second gears were a little shorter so it could be revved out on the road without risking points i think it would be the ultimate car. I'll probably come back to this post in a few years when I can afford an F12 or 675LT and laugh at how naive I was, but for now, I can't really see where to go from the GT4.
franki68 said:
said:
Selling well indeed. Just noticed the Hatfield car which is how I was going to spec mine had I not gone for red. I love GT silver on the GT4. Stunning with the red details. Also the Tewksbury white club sport car was on for a while and has finally gone. It was a great spec and one of the cheapest on there. Whoever bought that bought well imo.
The Bolton blue car has to sell soon too. Saw it in the flesh and it's a great spec for the price. There's no doubt that they're selling well still.
lots of interest in it but no one actually stumping up the cash as yet.The Bolton blue car has to sell soon too. Saw it in the flesh and it's a great spec for the price. There's no doubt that they're selling well still.
Just placed deposit and will be collecting next week.
Franki68 i'll take great care of her!
av185 said:
Although if there is one main criticism of the GT4 it would be the slightly detuned Carrera engine lacking the top end bite of the GT3.
Interesting that a few on PH with lois for the car actually cancelled when this engine spec was announced. Preferable would have been a more tuned higher revving 3.4 engine more akin to the Porsche GT spirit....although this clearly would be of little use for 'legal' road driving and would have no doubt bumped the bargain otr price up somewhat. Nevertheless nice to have though.
For sure the GT4 could handle way more power and if it had the same unit as a GT3 I'm pretty sure it would be quicker but P won't allow that obviously. Interesting that a few on PH with lois for the car actually cancelled when this engine spec was announced. Preferable would have been a more tuned higher revving 3.4 engine more akin to the Porsche GT spirit....although this clearly would be of little use for 'legal' road driving and would have no doubt bumped the bargain otr price up somewhat. Nevertheless nice to have though.
Edited by av185 on Wednesday 7th June 14:51
Does the current car have enough power? On paper maybe not, in reality I think so.
Twinfan said:
Personally speaking, it's the engine spec that I think makes the current over list pricing "wrong". I don't find the car special or rare enough to justify it. All you GT4 owners seem to be very satisfied though so what do I know?
I think any folk turning down the GT4 who are now in line for the 991.2 GT3 instead certainly did the right thing...
Maybe, but the two cars are not comparable from a price point of view. I think there is something like a £45k different in the base price. In my world that's a fair amount of cash.I think any folk turning down the GT4 who are now in line for the 991.2 GT3 instead certainly did the right thing...
trowelhead said:
franki68 said:
said:
Selling well indeed. Just noticed the Hatfield car which is how I was going to spec mine had I not gone for red. I love GT silver on the GT4. Stunning with the red details. Also the Tewksbury white club sport car was on for a while and has finally gone. It was a great spec and one of the cheapest on there. Whoever bought that bought well imo.
The Bolton blue car has to sell soon too. Saw it in the flesh and it's a great spec for the price. There's no doubt that they're selling well still.
lots of interest in it but no one actually stumping up the cash as yet.The Bolton blue car has to sell soon too. Saw it in the flesh and it's a great spec for the price. There's no doubt that they're selling well still.
Just placed deposit and will be collecting next week.
Franki68 i'll take great care of her!
And glad to see it go to a fellow ph'er
Edited by franki68 on Wednesday 7th June 18:27
jcosh said:
Maybe, but the two cars are not comparable from a price point of view. I think there is something like a £45k different in the base price. In my world that's a fair amount of cash.
It certainly is. I was just saying from a GT car allocation point of view if you can afford a GT3 and you turned down a GT4, you'll be in a strong position for a GT3 allocation given the new preference to spread the GT cars around across different owners.The GT4 got a regular 911 engine, a GT3 front end and brakes, a rear end shared with the Spyder/718 and the rest was 981 stuff. That helps to explains the £45k difference.
What I'm trying to say is that I don't think the GT4 was underpriced from new, so I don't understand the current pricing. It can only be amazingly high demand, especially with 37 cars for sale.
jcosh said:
For sure the GT4 could handle way more power and if it had the same unit as a GT3 I'm pretty sure it would be quicker but P won't allow that obviously.
Does the current car have enough power? On paper maybe not, in reality I think so.
not for the gearing imoDoes the current car have enough power? On paper maybe not, in reality I think so.
a 911R is 7.4 to a ton that's a fast car for a NA unit. The GT4 is over 9 seconds to a ton the Cayman GTS PDK is also in the 9's with the 3.4
a 911 RS with one up and no fuel has been timed at 6.6 to a ton !
What's annoying is a 911 GTS NA 3.8 is 8.4 to a ton and the Engine the GT4 should have had 100%
I find it odd people say the 3.8 makes the GT4, one feels like downsizing to 19" rims (gives shorter gearing) and the 420bhp tune just to perk it up a bit.
this seems to go well with 19" and 420bhp. and would cost peanuts to get to.
https://youtu.be/O3Y1hV71InA
trowelhead said:
Blue Bolton car is mine
Just placed deposit and will be collecting next week.
Franki68 i'll take great care of her!
Congratulations Jay, looks like I'll be keeping mine then. Just placed deposit and will be collecting next week.
Franki68 i'll take great care of her!
No time to drive mine, but probably couldn't have found my way to sell it anyway. Not sure if that makes me a good or bad person by the Porsche community, but don't care
Don't get this that the Gt4 is not as good as a road car it is no better or worse as a road car than my old 987.1 CS or proberbly any other Cayman and probably a bit better than my 987 Spyder!
Yes you get tyre roar on some motorway road surfaces but that is more down to the cup2s, the ride is not harsh or crashy the buckets(folding ones)comfortable and the cabin is a nice place to be!
Another thing I don't get is the gearing which is the same ratios as the 3.4 in the 987.2 and 981 yet you never here people moan about the long gearing so a 3.4 on 20" wheels will pretty close to in gear speeds of first and second of the gt4 when my 987spyder on 19" wheels wasn't far off in said gears!
As for the gt4 being a lot quicker than my old 987 spyder it's not just the zero to what ever acceleration it's also working through the gears when moving. Recently i went up against a 991RS not a drag race but a moving at about 40mph then floor it to xxxmph it could not put any distance on me perhaps almost half a car length and he had pdks now if I was in the spyder I would have really struggled and most likely he would have put more than a few car lengths on me!IMHO the 3.4 really lacks mid range power and struggles unless you are wring its neck and then it still feels a bit lethargic with cars like fiesta sts being able to stay with you to 90mph which is embarrassing !
Yes I agree that the gt4 engine could have been made better and that you do notice a drop off in urgency as you pass 6.5k but it has the same power and curve as 997.2S and I don't here anyone moan about that although the wheels are only 19s
As for value for money when new 6 years ago a 997.2S would have been about £85k new for the same engine just different layout and less the GT suspension, brakes and aero therefore at £65k plus £4K for leather and PCM to match 911 standard spec. it was more than a bit of a bargain!
Imho the second hand price will always be above the 991.1s and close to the 991.1 Gts of similar vintage and I think they will be above list for a long time as what new Porsche for less than £90k do you replace it with a 991.2 perhaps or a 718!
Yes you get tyre roar on some motorway road surfaces but that is more down to the cup2s, the ride is not harsh or crashy the buckets(folding ones)comfortable and the cabin is a nice place to be!
Another thing I don't get is the gearing which is the same ratios as the 3.4 in the 987.2 and 981 yet you never here people moan about the long gearing so a 3.4 on 20" wheels will pretty close to in gear speeds of first and second of the gt4 when my 987spyder on 19" wheels wasn't far off in said gears!
As for the gt4 being a lot quicker than my old 987 spyder it's not just the zero to what ever acceleration it's also working through the gears when moving. Recently i went up against a 991RS not a drag race but a moving at about 40mph then floor it to xxxmph it could not put any distance on me perhaps almost half a car length and he had pdks now if I was in the spyder I would have really struggled and most likely he would have put more than a few car lengths on me!IMHO the 3.4 really lacks mid range power and struggles unless you are wring its neck and then it still feels a bit lethargic with cars like fiesta sts being able to stay with you to 90mph which is embarrassing !
Yes I agree that the gt4 engine could have been made better and that you do notice a drop off in urgency as you pass 6.5k but it has the same power and curve as 997.2S and I don't here anyone moan about that although the wheels are only 19s
As for value for money when new 6 years ago a 997.2S would have been about £85k new for the same engine just different layout and less the GT suspension, brakes and aero therefore at £65k plus £4K for leather and PCM to match 911 standard spec. it was more than a bit of a bargain!
Imho the second hand price will always be above the 991.1s and close to the 991.1 Gts of similar vintage and I think they will be above list for a long time as what new Porsche for less than £90k do you replace it with a 991.2 perhaps or a 718!
GT4P said:
Another thing I don't get is the gearing which is the same ratios as the 3.4 in the 987.2 and 981 yet you never here people moan about the long gearing so a 3.4 on 20" wheels will pretty close to in gear speeds of first and second of the gt4 when my 987spyder on 19" wheels wasn't far off in said gears!
As for the gt4 being a lot quicker than my old 987 spyder it's not just the zero to what ever acceleration it's also working through the gears when moving. Recently i went up against a 991RS not a drag race but a moving at about 40mph then floor it to xxxmph it could not put any distance on me
the gearing is simple to understand the 987 tops out at 76 the GT4 85 in 2nd gear :-) you do feel the sap on the 20" rims In a car which weighs more and has the detuned engine.As for the gt4 being a lot quicker than my old 987 spyder it's not just the zero to what ever acceleration it's also working through the gears when moving. Recently i went up against a 991RS not a drag race but a moving at about 40mph then floor it to xxxmph it could not put any distance on me
Some ones put a 4.0l engine in that GT4 of yours lol if a 991 RS is not pulling on you, really !!
I know you need big bhp to see a nice gap when you drag race (hence my R vs GT4 posts I stated to 90mph nothing in it) , but that's one hell of a claim on your part lol
GT4 is 23 seconds to 150mph, easy done, I have dragged mine vs a M3 to that and they are the same speed
991 RS is in the 16's to 150mph, just saying. as xxxmph must mean very high 3 figure speeds I take it.
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