12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[Twinfan]

GT4P said:

A new Gt4 could have the opposite effect especially when the flippers come out to play

Maybe, but if everyone is after the 718 GT4 then demand drops for 981 GT4 and so price won't rise. They'll only rise if people think they're a good alternative so it all depends on the spec of the 718 GT4.

GT4P said:

and anyone with the current Gt4 will most likely get first dibs so it won't really affect them either!

I disagree. I think Porsche and OPCs are trying harder to spread the GT cars across more people except for the RS and limited edition models.

[Fokker]

Lots of people have invested their savings into these cars due to nowhere else to put the cash. This means that the situation we have currently in the car market is based a lot on cars that are owned outright and that creates a completely different and much more robust situation.

Prices have softened for sure but i really don't see anything to worry about going forward as its very sustainable. The next GT4 will be another cracker and will be commanding premiums again and `i would think this time well into the 100k's. I think £75 - 80k for the current model depending on the spec is about right for foreseeable. I still dont understand why people think they're going to drop off the cliff. Wishful thinking?

[Fokker]

Twinfan said:

I disagree. I think Porsche and OPCs are trying harder to spread the GT cars across more people except for the RS and limited edition models.

There were 10 used 991 GT3's in the OPC network last time I looked with an average price of about £130 - 135k. If OPC's are buying them in that means that they're still selling well. If that's still selling with the new and MUCH improved one imminent then the GT4 which has no major reliability issues will continue to sell very well indeed.

[Twinfan]

Fokker said:

There were 10 used 991 GT3's in the OPC network last time I looked with an average price of about £130 - 135k. If OPC's are buying them in that means that they're still selling well. If that's still selling with the new and MUCH improved one imminent then the GT4 which has no major reliability issues will continue to sell very well indeed.

911s though - not Caymans. Different demand structure.

[WCZ]

v8ksn said:

I agree with most of that.

Personally, I think the GT4 is a £75k car

Those with £95k to spend, if another £6k in the pot is nothing to worry about then they have a lot more cars to choose from on the used market at £100k.

An F430 Ferrari is cheaper than £90k at the moment!

agreed, I think it's absolutely nuts @ £100k

[av185]

The red Ashgood GT4 has a strange spec, no PCM, no chrono and possibly manual aircon. Also the platinum stitching does it few favours as most buyers of Guards cars want red stitching. Furthermore mileage at 7k at the upper end relatively.

Still, not a bad price even for a non OPC car.

On the future of GT4 values going forward, as others have said, the best guide could be the 991.1GT3 which has now stabilised and rising slightly with fewer good cars around, still sells over list retail for the best cars although trade is now below list, the worst spec cars clearly being hardest hit. These could well rise again on the widely anticipated initial £200k plus price point of the first flipped 991.2 GT3s.

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

The red Ashgood GT4 has a strange spec, no PCM, no chrono and possibly manual aircon. Also the platinum stitching does it few favours as most buyers of Guards cars want red stitching. Furthermore mileage at 7k at the upper end relatively.

Still, not a bad price even for a non OPC car.

On the future of GT4 values going forward, as others have said, the best guide could be the 991.1GT3 which has now stabilised and rising slightly with fewer good cars around, still sells over list retail for the best cars although trade is now below list, the worst spec cars clearly being hardest hit. These could well rise again on the widely anticipated initial £200k plus price point of the first flipped 991.2 GT3s.

I would never order colour stitching again £800. and think Platinum is now best myself and free. Chrono on a GT4 is pointless I did not spec it, seems a stupid option and does jack st bar reflect in the window screen. people do over tick boxes imo. If any of this stuff did stuff then I might be temped but Ashgoods car looks great value and looks great inside with leather, stitching and Carbon imo.

you tend to over spec all your cars as you know they fetch overs, each to their own, but a lot of spec is tat, like carbon sills or led inside lights FFS who cares lol £800 for a thread colour change , I think I was crazy specing it, will not spec it again. rather have £800 in my pocket for a new set of tyres.

and when has 7k been high miles on a 2 year old car FFS this place is crazy, get out and drive the ***** cars, life is to short to sit on a car with no miles counting your money !!!

I have just added yet another 1.5k miles in the last 4 days ! and it was fun !!!!

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th July 12:42

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

I would never order colour stitching again £800. and think Platinum is now best myself

you tend to over spec all your cars as you know they fetch overs, each to their own, but a lot of spec is tat, like carbon sills or led inside lights FFS who cares lol £800 for a thread colour change , I think I was crazy specing it, will not spec it again. rather have £800 in my pocket for a new set of tyres.

and when has 7k been high miles on a 2 year old car

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th July 12:42

Calm down!

Ask any Porsche GT buyer about red stitching on a red car....its value exceeds the cost. So for example like PCM, internal carbon (not sills) and buckets, a no brainer on the options front.

Clearly other colours are different. Sapphire blue GT cars would not benefit from red stitching as opposed to platinum whereas white cars would. GT silver would. Clearly we spec what we want but GENERALLY SPEAKING GT Porsches with these options will sell quicker and be worth more come resale and MAY provide a nicer cabin and driving environment DEPENDENT upon your preferences.

How do you know how I spec my cars? Other than smooth leather steering wheel and gear levers! Are you a mindreader? Don't have LEDs or carbon sills on any btw. Waste of money imo. Always go upper range to top spec, my GT4 was £76k which is gives a nice enough spec on a car of this type for my needs.

On the Ashgoods GT4 7k mileage, out of the 20 or so OPC GT4s currently for sale, there are only 2 GT4s with higher mileage than this. Whilst 7k miles is clearly not high mileage over 2 years for more mainstream stuff, it is RELATIVELY HIGH mileage for a Porsche GT car and obviously has a negative impact on value.

I rest my case. :

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Ask any Porsche GT buyer about red stitching on a red car....its value exceeds the cost.

we will have to agree to disagree on that ;-)

I am a GT buyer and never specing coloured stitching again, it feels a bit tacky and don't age well.

loads of blue and green cars with red stitching , they all look rank imo.

yellow works with yellow only hence why I speced it but really looks dire on most other colours , there was a red car with yellow inside, what a mess !!!

As my GT3 will be white or GT Silver you won't be seeing red stitching inside mine , I can tell you :-)

you enjoying Sports crono on the GT4 ? lol

[boxsey]

Porsche911R said:

Chrono on a GT4 is pointless I did not spec it, seems a stupid option and does jack st bar reflect in the window screen.

I found it very useful from the passenger seat to keep an eye on Chris' lap times at Spa.

[HokumPokum]

why would you want outdated pcm anyway. And for the few occasions that it is used, manual AC will do just fine.
and CDR without sound package plus.... I find this oxy-moronic in a lightweight sports car.


on sports chrono, you do get Shift Assist which is useful. But, you can try getting your OPC to turn on sport chrono on cars without it and hey presto......... But, you get no lap timing - nothing HLT won't do anyway.


I say that car is pretty spot on tbh and at a very good price.

[robj4]

Porsche911R said:

I really am a low tax bracket earner. I buy 2nd hand, I buy ltd ed cars which hold value, and I am 48 and have taken years to build up my cars. (80 cars owned only bought 3 new ones(lost a bomb on those), only ever 1 on finance as I got 0% )...

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th July 10:32

Slightly misleading? I think you run a limited company David? Then of course you stay within the lower tax bracket by staying under a certain dividend threshold. But there are perfectly legal ways of extracting money from the business. Of course it all has to be earned in the first place so no shame attached.

It grates all the abuse I receive for having a car that I enjoy, but not when I get in it to drive home.

[Cheib]

Porsche911R said:

av185 said:

Ask any Porsche GT buyer about red stitching on a red car....its value exceeds the cost.

we will have to agree to disagree on that ;-)

I am a GT buyer and never specing coloured stitching again, it feels a bit tacky and don't age well.

loads of blue and green cars with red stitching , they all look rank imo.

yellow works with yellow only hence why I speced it but really looks dire on most other colours , there was a red car with yellow inside, what a mess !!!

As my GT3 will be white or GT Silver you won't be seeing red stitching inside mine , I can tell you :-)

you enjoying Sports crono on the GT4 ? lol

I think the one thing we know about stitching colours, wheel colours, calliper colours, bodywork colours etc etc is that it's all personal choice. As indeed is everything else in life.

Personally I don't like White Cars but clearly 30% of the car buying public does...doesn't make either of us wrong.

I also think yellow stitching goes very well with Sapphire Blue cars....maybe that makes me weird. Who knows!

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

yellow works with yellow only

Bizarre you claim platinum does not work with yellow but does with red!?

If I was speccing a yellow GT Porsche and yellow and platinum stitching was available I would spec platinum to tone it down. And spec yellow belts instead.

[ghiblicup]

I really enjoyed my Sport Chrono yesterday at Blyton Park.

Using the Track Precision App was really useful and a great way to look back at the day. The clock also sets off the dash a lot better than it does in the 911.

[Fokker]

av185 said:

On the future of GT4 values going forward, as others have said, the best guide could be the 991.1GT3 which has now stabilised and rising slightly with fewer good cars around, still sells over list retail for the best cars although trade is now below list, the worst spec cars clearly being hardest hit. These could well rise again on the widely anticipated initial £200k plus price point of the first flipped 991.2 GT3s.

Na you're wrong apparently as the GT3 has a different demand structure?!

[Fokker]

robj4 said:

Slightly misleading? I think you run a limited company David? Then of course you stay within the lower tax bracket by staying under a certain dividend threshold. But there are perfectly legal ways of extracting money from the business. Of course it all has to be earned in the first place so no shame attached.

It grates all the abuse I receive for having a car that I enjoy, but not when I get in it to drive home.

Well well! I was thinking that you really must be shopping in Farm Foods if you're driving 3 Porkers and buying a new GT3 on a salary of under 45k!

[Fokker]

Cheib said:

I also think yellow stitching goes very well with Sapphire Blue cars....maybe that makes me weird. Who knows!

I'm no fashion guru but most people know that Yellow and Blue go very well together. Having had red stitching on a red car I wouldn't do it again as with the red brake calipers it was all too red. Grey and red goes well together as does grey and yellow and ads a contrast.

This conversation is making me feel a bit queasy!

[Twinfan]

Fokker said:

Na you're wrong apparently as the GT3 has a different demand structure?!

Sorry, didn't come across how I meant it!

The 911 badge has a certain cachet that I don't think the Cayman has, so I don't think you can directly compare 911 sales to Cayman sales. It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens when the 718 GT4 appears, and like I've said previously I think it will all depend on the engine spec of the new one.

[Porsche911R]

robj4 said:

Slightly misleading? I think you run a limited company David? Then of course you stay within the lower tax bracket by staying under a certain dividend threshold. But there are perfectly legal ways of extracting money from the business. Of course it all has to be earned in the first place so no shame attached.

It grates all the abuse I receive for having a car that I enjoy, but not when I get in it to drive home.

nope not a Ltd company I am a sole trader and what I earn is what I pay tax on.

So not misleading in any way.