12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[Fokker]

Stop baiting him. He means because it's an older car.

[TDT]

baronbennyt said:

After much deliberation I've decided to add another weekend warrior / track day weapon to the stable - a Porsche Cayman GT4.


I collect the GT4 from Porsche Silverstone on Friday.

Spec:

- Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
- Interior 1: Carbon and Alcantara + Full Bucket Seats
- Interior 2: Nav, Sport Chrono Pack inc. Porsche Track App, and Sound Package Plus
- Registration date: 12/02/2016
- Mileage: c. 480 miles
- Additional items: Indoor Car cover, Battery Trickle Charger and Vehicle Tracker
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Congrats - rare silver wheels?!

[Fokker]

TDT said:

baronbennyt said:

After much deliberation I've decided to add another weekend warrior / track day weapon to the stable - a Porsche Cayman GT4.


I collect the GT4 from Porsche Silverstone on Friday.

Spec:

- Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
- Interior 1: Carbon and Alcantara + Full Bucket Seats
- Interior 2: Nav, Sport Chrono Pack inc. Porsche Track App, and Sound Package Plus
- Registration date: 12/02/2016
- Mileage: c. 480 miles
- Additional items: Indoor Car cover, Battery Trickle Charger and Vehicle Tracker
.

Congrats - rare silver wheels?!

Yes looks good. Will be interesting to see what you think of it compared to the other cars you've had. Perhaps a bit of a less bias opinion compared to what we usually get on here!

[TDT]

bcr5784 said:

Porsche911R said:

yes this would be correct ;-) people don't like to hear it lol my offer is there to drag race the cars on private land , but no one will take it up.

I have to agree. My gut feel would be that a GT4 would be hard pushed to stay with a PDK Gts (using launch control) to 100mph (but see it off thereafter) . That said Porsche quote 4.4 for the GT4 and 4.6 for the GTS to 100kmh - which I find hard to believe.

PDK 981 S/GTS is a street weapon. I loved mine for the daily grind and was plenty quick enough and also frugal given the performance, although over time - it felt like it lacked overtaking torque on the cruise. This is where the GT4 is much better.
The 3.4 sings (which I sometimes miss)..... the 3.8 is much coarser, bit more agricultural, more aggressive sound, tone and delivery - but its an engine for a purpose. The GT cars can run laps all day long.

[Twinfan]

TDT said:

The 3.4 sings (which I sometimes miss)..... the 3.8 is much coarser, bit more agricultural, more aggressive sound, tone and delivery - but its an engine for a purpose. The GT cars can run laps all day long.

If you're talking about the GT4 its not a proper GT engine though is it? Its just the plain old 3.8 from the 911 Carrera S - not even the Powerkit GTS version!

[GT4P]

Porsche911R said:

yes this would be correct ;-) people don't like to hear it lol my offer is there to drag race the cars on private land , but no one will take it up.

I would take you up on the offer as it would be fun but I don't relish a 5 hour round motorway trip just to prove a point I know the answer to!
A drag race proves very little as the 0-200kmh(124mph)figures show gt4/Gts manual/Gts pdk/gts pdk in sport mode: 14.5/16.9/16.8/16.6 (Official brochure figures)
2.1 secs at 124mph is how many car lengths? Whereas 0-60mph is 4.4/4.9/4.8/4.6 or 0.2 secs at 60mph is bumper to bumper close so to 100mph when the gap is circa 1-1.5 secs it's all down to the driver and how good his/her gear changes are although you only have to change gear twice or not at all in a pdk!
But then the manual 981gts is not quicker than a manual 987CR which in turn is not much quicker than a manual 987.2cs and in a drag race to 100 mph you could toss a coin to who would win but with out doubt the gt4 would beat all of them!
But for me it's about how a car accelerates when on the move ie travelling along at say 40mph dropping a few gears and nailing the loud pedal which imo is where the 3.8 in the Gt4 excels and the 3.4 lacks!

[GT4P]

Twinfan said:

If you're talking about the GT4 its not a proper GT engine though is it? Its just the plain old 3.8 from the 911 Carrera S - not even the Powerkit GTS version!

The 991.1 gt3 is not a proper Motorsport engine but at least the " plain old 3.8 from the 911 Carrera S " is used in the gt4 club sport which is used for Motorsport!

So your point is?

[Fokker]

Twinfan said:

TDT said:

The 3.4 sings (which I sometimes miss)..... the 3.8 is much coarser, bit more agricultural, more aggressive sound, tone and delivery - but its an engine for a purpose. The GT cars can run laps all day long.

If you're talking about the GT4 its not a proper GT engine though is it? Its just the plain old 3.8 from the 911 Carrera S - not even the Powerkit GTS version!

Wait until you drive one at the PEC. It might be the same engine as a 991 S but it has a completely different character. It's aggressive, very torquey low down and with attitude. Whereas you'll exit a GTS after a 4 hour drive quite fresh, you'll be knackered getting out of the GT4 having driven it hard as I've done on many occasions. In comparison to a GTS It's loud, quite hard and more demanding. It might not be a full fat GT car but it's no pussycat. I certainly wouldn't want to use one as a daily.

[Twinfan]

GT4P said:

But for me it's about how a car accelerates when on the move ie travelling along at say 40mph dropping a few gears and nailing the loud pedal which imo is where the 3.8 in the Gt4 excels and the 3.4 lacks!

In that scenario I reckon a PDK GTS could drop a few gears pretty quickly and get on the boil leaving the GT4 having to play catch up. A 10% BHP and torque increase isn't a night and day difference so it could be closer than you think.

[Twinfan]

Fokker said:

Wait until you drive one at the PEC. It might be the same engine as a 991 S but it has a completely different character.

How can it be the same but different then, explain that to me please?

[GT4P]

Twinfan said:

In that scenario I reckon a PDK GTS could drop a few gears pretty quickly and get on the boil leaving the GT4 having to play catch up. A 10% BHP and torque increase isn't a night and day difference so it could be closer than you think.

A : I don't do pdk and B: the manual gt4 is still quicker at all points of the acceleration line than a pdk Gts so I don't think it will be playing catch up unless the driver tries pulling in 3rd from say 50mph rather than 2nd

[Twinfan]

PDK is the magic in this scenario though - the gear changes are so quick they save a lot of time over manual changes.

[GT4P]

Twinfan said:

PDK is the magic in this scenario though - the gear changes are so quick they save a lot of time over manual changes.

But I am not a PDk fan and never have been and never will be!
Give me a good 6 speed manual which the Gt4 has although ratios could be a tad shorter!
Hope you calf muscles are strong enough for a manual on your PEC day after driving a PDk;)

[Fokker]

Twinfan said:

Fokker said:

Wait until you drive one at the PEC. It might be the same engine as a 991 S but it has a completely different character.

How can it be the same but different then, explain that to me please?

The 991 GTS I had was a PDK so basically easy to drive. After 4 hours in that which is the commute to my folks house on A and B roads I was still fresh. 4 hours in the gt4 is a much bigger assault on the senses. Even with the exhaust button off you don't get a break as over certain revs it opens the valves anyway and after now covering 5k miles it's louder still, almost too loud after 4 hours in the cabin. I find myself slowing down just to give my ears a break but it's great fun.

In terms of character of the engine the 991 GTS was a howler, didn't seem so torquey and felt smoother with more top end. Could be the gearing but the GT4 is a much more intoxicating experience. Low down grunt, harsher and a lot louder. The buckets, the suspension the whole package. I've not driven a 981 GTS so I can't compare but it's a daily driver. I wouldn't put the gt4 in the daily driver catagory.

[TDT]

Fokker said:

Twinfan said:

TDT said:

The 3.4 sings (which I sometimes miss)..... the 3.8 is much coarser, bit more agricultural, more aggressive sound, tone and delivery - but its an engine for a purpose. The GT cars can run laps all day long.

If you're talking about the GT4 its not a proper GT engine though is it? Its just the plain old 3.8 from the 911 Carrera S - not even the Powerkit GTS version!

Wait until you drive one at the PEC. It might be the same engine as a 991 S but it has a completely different character. It's aggressive, very torquey low down and with attitude. Whereas you'll exit a GTS after a 4 hour drive quite fresh, you'll be knackered getting out of the GT4 having driven it hard as I've done on many occasions. In comparison to a GTS It's loud, quite hard and more demanding. It might not be a full fat GT car but it's no pussycat. I certainly wouldn't want to use one as a daily.

Twinfan, report back when you've had your PEC day. Until then, you're just trolling.... GT4 engine is raced in Motorsport, as GT4P says... more than can be said for the 991.1 GT3 engine. Of course, Porsche could have put something even more exotic in, but then the price point changes, and you cross segment boundaries.
For Porsche this was a return to old skool hot-ridding and when compared to a 981S/GTS, the GT4 does feel a bit like a hot-rod would. It's exactly the formula Porsche always used for the hottest versions of their cars.... stick in the biggest possible engine from the shelf that will fit.
They did it with the original 911R, the RS's all the way up until the 996 GT3 which was the first of the new branch of hot Porsches.

As I said… I was a sceptic, although appreciative that Porsche finally took the plunge and made this car. But once I'd basically fathomed the limits of the standard 981, something more special was required.The GT4 is much than a super S/GTS - it's actually a different car, just with a familiar layout. You can daily the S/GTS and I did. You could try to daily the GT4 - it has the capability, but then you're actually just wasting it. If you're thinking about it as you're only car... don't. You will want to drive it every day and you can, but it is for the drive, not the commute. I have a Golf MK7.5 GTD DSG for that stuff.
When you drive the GT4... you might not get it, and you'll have a bit further to go in your journey... and that's fine... that's why they make so many variants.

Edited by TDT on Tuesday 18th July 22:25

[Twinfan]

GT4P said:

Hope you calf muscles are strong enough for a manual on your PEC day after driving a PDk;)

As said earlier, my GTS is a manual. Same gearbox as the GT4 bar some minor internal strengthening to cope with the increased torque.

[GT4P]

I do think his judgement will be clouded though as he owns a Gts ! A few years ago I did a back to back drive of a pdk 981s with pasm and a 2.7 manual 981 standard suspension and smaller wheels now at the time I had the 987 spyder and always thought 3.4 was the only way to go but I actually preferred driving the 2.7 981 over the 3.4 981 maybe it was because it had no pasm or pdk but my judgement wasn't clouded as I owned neither! Sometimes you need to drive a lot of different versions of the same car to see what works for you!

[Twinfan]

TDT said:

Twinfan, report back when you've had your PEC day. Until then, you're just trolling.... GT4 engine is raced in Motorsport, as GT4P says...

As our USA cousins say, I think you've been drinking too much Kool Aid! Raced in Motorsport it may be but it wasn't born there and it's hardly setting the world alight!

I'm really looking forward to my PEC session and I hope the car blows me away as it has for for you guys. I have my doubts it will though.

[GT4P]

Twinfan said:

I have my doubts it will though.

See what I mean his mind is already made up!

[Twinfan]

GT4P said:

See what I mean his mind is already made up!

Everyone has preconceptions. I'm sure plenty of people could have been blinded by the GT badge, for example.

If it's that good a car it should win me over!