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So if it is going to be a gt4 RS only for the 718 then option 2 circa 450-475 hp is the most likely with a price tag of £90-100k to match ! If this turns up at Geneva next year then there will be no vanilla f6 na Gt4 .
Be good if they do the above with a Spyder as well may be a last swan song to the NA f6 before everything goes turbo/ hybrid!
Be good if they do the above with a Spyder as well may be a last swan song to the NA f6 before everything goes turbo/ hybrid!
GT4P said:
So if it is going to be a gt4 RS only for the 718 then option 2 circa 450-475 hp is the most likely with a price tag of £90-100k to match ! If this turns up at Geneva next year then there will be no vanilla f6 na Gt4 .
Be good if they do the above with a Spyder as well may be a last swan song to the NA f6 before everything goes turbo/ hybrid!
And then everyone will be clambering to buy the GT4 again as they won't be able to get an RS unless a very good customer! Be good if they do the above with a Spyder as well may be a last swan song to the NA f6 before everything goes turbo/ hybrid!
He said 718 chassis to me. Could be a 981 still I guess but he was adamant about the 4 litre GT3 unit.
My mole reckons 465 bhp.
Fokker said:
And then everyone will be clambering to buy the GT4 again as they won't be able to get an RS unless a very good customer!
He said 718 chassis to me. Could be a 981 still I guess but he was adamant about the 4 litre GT3 unit.
My mole reckons 465 bhp.
Having just moved the Cayster away from the 911 (deliberately) to then overlap it in this way seems bizarre in marketing terms. He said 718 chassis to me. Could be a 981 still I guess but he was adamant about the 4 litre GT3 unit.
My mole reckons 465 bhp.
Not necessarily.
The original Porsche Hot Rod formula was good big lump tuned for torque but with an acceptable top-end.
The 991 9A1 GT3 was all about a ripping top end that unfortunately did for a rather large number of motors. Up to the new 9A1 race engine.
So what if the GT4RS was the Hot Rod and the GT3 RS the racer ?
What a convenient way of using the rebuild and bomb proofed 4.0l ex 991 GT3 engines given a new life with top-up engineering and a 7800 rpm limit ??
And keeping the GT4 audience very happy ...
The original Porsche Hot Rod formula was good big lump tuned for torque but with an acceptable top-end.
The 991 9A1 GT3 was all about a ripping top end that unfortunately did for a rather large number of motors. Up to the new 9A1 race engine.
So what if the GT4RS was the Hot Rod and the GT3 RS the racer ?
What a convenient way of using the rebuild and bomb proofed 4.0l ex 991 GT3 engines given a new life with top-up engineering and a 7800 rpm limit ??
And keeping the GT4 audience very happy ...
BubblesNW said:
Does anyone know if it is actually possible to fit the official powerkit to the current GT4 and retain the OPC warranty?
I doubt it, given that I believe the intake system is different on the GT4 when compared to the 911. Plus if it was possible, and kept your warranty, it would be an official option on the Techquipment list. Which it isn't.bcr5784 said:
Having just moved the Cayster away from the 911 (deliberately) to then overlap it in this way seems bizarre in marketing terms.
Exactly, which is why I can't see it happening. I'm sure the test mule(s) are just that - a test. If it's an RS it will have PDK, so with 465bhp it will be a seriously quick car. I doubt Porsche would embarrass the 911 in that way.Who know though, they may surprise us!
I've been watching this thread for some time, as a strongly motivated potential GT4 buyer. But been thrown a bit by the article (and the quotes it contains) on page 122 of this month's edition of '911& Porsche World'. It's their regular 'Market Watch' piece and this month it's all about the GT4 market. Makes for worrying reading - and not encouraging for people like me who are considering buying...
Any thoughts?
James
Any thoughts?
James
short-shift said:
I've been watching this thread for some time, as a strongly motivated potential GT4 buyer. But been thrown a bit by the article (and the quotes it contains) on page 122 of this month's edition of '911& Porsche World'. It's their regular 'Market Watch' piece and this month it's all about the GT4 market. Makes for worrying reading - and not encouraging for people like me who are considering buying...
Any thoughts?
James
I'm intrigued - what does it actually say?Any thoughts?
James
bcr5784 said:
I'm intrigued - what does it actually say?
It's not very encouraging. It's a full page article and it contains quotes from Phil Wooley (911 Sport) - so it's open to the accusation of being one person's perspective - but it seems to go beyond this with references to stock levels at OPCs and across the market. To pick a few exceprts:"Nobody seems to be buying them at the moment - we've not sold one for a while"
"We get four or five calls a week offering us GT4's"
"Everybody's worried where prices are going"
It's pretty one-sided to be frank...
Any commentary that is more positive to counter this?
James
short-shift said:
bcr5784 said:
I'm intrigued - what does it actually say?
It's not very encouraging. It's a full page article and it contains quotes from Phil Wooley (911 Sport) - so it's open to the accusation of being one person's perspective - but it seems to go beyond this with references to stock levels at OPCs and across the market. To pick a few exceprts:"Nobody seems to be buying them at the moment - we've not sold one for a while"
"We get four or five calls a week offering us GT4's"
"Everybody's worried where prices are going"
It's pretty one-sided to be frank...
Any commentary that is more positive to counter this?
James
Hmmm...
One of the appeals of buying any Porsche GT product, in recent years at least, has been the knowledge that you're buying into a low-depreciating car (or possibly better), so any reversal of that trend reduces the attractiveness of making a purchase.
One of the other arguments put forward in the '911 & Porsche World' article is the view that GT3 products might be more robust in terms of staving off depreciation. "GT4 people are a different breed to GT3 owners; I don't think the car has quite the same stong, lasting appeal".
So whilst the prospect of lower prices makes accessing the market for a new buyer easier (and seemingly more attractive) in the short term, the attractiveness of that coud be increasingly offset by the fear of buying into a product that may be more prone to losing value than its stablemates. Which is where - as of a couple of hours ago - I now seem to be standing!
James
One of the appeals of buying any Porsche GT product, in recent years at least, has been the knowledge that you're buying into a low-depreciating car (or possibly better), so any reversal of that trend reduces the attractiveness of making a purchase.
One of the other arguments put forward in the '911 & Porsche World' article is the view that GT3 products might be more robust in terms of staving off depreciation. "GT4 people are a different breed to GT3 owners; I don't think the car has quite the same stong, lasting appeal".
So whilst the prospect of lower prices makes accessing the market for a new buyer easier (and seemingly more attractive) in the short term, the attractiveness of that coud be increasingly offset by the fear of buying into a product that may be more prone to losing value than its stablemates. Which is where - as of a couple of hours ago - I now seem to be standing!
James
Sounds like a bit of hyped up radical journalism to sell a few more magazines?
Has the market insightful Mr Wooly suggested which other car as capable as the GT4 and at this price point he would suggest buying in order to lose less money? Thought not!
Basically, there aren't any.
Don't forget, with cars over £75k, its not so much about what you make, but what you DON'T lose which often comes into the equation for many.
Has the market insightful Mr Wooly suggested which other car as capable as the GT4 and at this price point he would suggest buying in order to lose less money? Thought not!
Basically, there aren't any.
Don't forget, with cars over £75k, its not so much about what you make, but what you DON'T lose which often comes into the equation for many.
James, you can find all the answers for yourself ...
There is more froth in the GT3 market than the GT4 because GT3 is the stronger brand, but will it stay so ?
Is it froth that you are looking for, or content ?
Have you driven the cars ? Seen them on track and at Porsche days ? Ridden in them and felt the feeling ?
Porsche are driving the GT3 brand in the direction of GT touring ... GT4 is a much more visceral seat of your pants type car with less technology --- and to my view all the better for that.
One day cars will be written off for the stuff that can't be repaired, ... and the simple cars will rule where ABS is a luxury and components from old cars can be used to repair new cars without having to satisfy the read/write errors of multiple duplexed and coded ECU's.
And most importantly, they will be driven by their owners and not by their ECU's ...
Who wants a GT3 that will drive itself ? It is coming, make no mistake.
There is more froth in the GT3 market than the GT4 because GT3 is the stronger brand, but will it stay so ?
Is it froth that you are looking for, or content ?
Have you driven the cars ? Seen them on track and at Porsche days ? Ridden in them and felt the feeling ?
Porsche are driving the GT3 brand in the direction of GT touring ... GT4 is a much more visceral seat of your pants type car with less technology --- and to my view all the better for that.
One day cars will be written off for the stuff that can't be repaired, ... and the simple cars will rule where ABS is a luxury and components from old cars can be used to repair new cars without having to satisfy the read/write errors of multiple duplexed and coded ECU's.
And most importantly, they will be driven by their owners and not by their ECU's ...
Who wants a GT3 that will drive itself ? It is coming, make no mistake.
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