12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[FocusRS3]

av185 said:

Interesting that several PHrs have noticed a slightly irritating transmission droning at certain speeds on certain road surfaces.

Mine certainly didn't do this when new but it is very noticible now at 3.7k miles when cruising under a light throttle around 55mph in top gear particularly on a good road surface.

Wonder if this relates to the gearbox issues.

Just a thought.

Further into that thread there is a suggestion that it may be just a batch but who knows .

Bottom line is providing you have the warranty and haven't modified it nothing to worry about

[BubblesNW]

Autoquest in the US have just announced that they will be doing a third gear fix and a lowered final drive for the GT4 in the new year. A 10% lower final drive would sort out the long gearing and improve the overall driving experience. All imho of course.

[decrassius]

As we approach winter, what are the MPSC2 tyres like in colder weather (say, 5, 10 and 15 celsius respectively).

And rain?

[Cheib]

decrassius said:

As we approach winter, what are the MPSC2 tyres like in colder weather (say, 5, 10 and 15 celsius respectively).

And rain?

If you intend using your GT4 through the winter get some tyres that will perform well in the conditions......the MPSC2 whilst being a fantastic tyre in the dry and warmer weather it's just not designed for winter weather or temperatures. Yes it's better than older tyres but it's still not brilliant.

Our family car has had winter tyres for the last five years because we take it to The Alps every year but it's noticeable even against a normal road tyre (i.e. something not anywhere near as performance orientated as a MPSC2) that it's much better in the wet...stopping distances are vastly improved. I'd imagine the contrast between a winter tyres and the MPSC2 would be significant!

By buying a set of winter tyres you aren't really adding to your running costs as tyres obviously wear out anyway so all you're doing is extending the life of your MPSC2's by only using them at the right time of year. Winter tyres are probably cheaper than MPSC2's as well. Obv you have the cost of changing the tyres over but that's not much.

[decrassius]

Many thanks.

I don’t really plan to use it during the winter, at least not regularly. But if it’s a nice day, particularly at the moment when temperatures aren’t very cold yet, or when it gets warm again in March/April, I might take it out.

But it would be good to know if I should be careful if the temperature is around 5-15 degrees celcius or I get caught in rain. I have no previous experience with these tyres.

[RSVP911]

decrassius said:

Many thanks.

I don’t really plan to use it during the winter, at least not regularly. But if it’s a nice day, particularly at the moment when temperatures aren’t very cold yet, or when it gets warm again in March/April, I might take it out.

But it would be good to know if I should be careful if the temperature is around 5-15 degrees celcius or I get caught in rain. I have no previous experience with these tyres.

In my experience I'd be very careful at < 8 degrees, especially if the roads are damp - however, with smooth inputs and driven with care, I have found them fine - even below this - just accept that at these temperatures it's very difficult to warm them up as the ambient temperature makes this very difficult and as such drive with care

[isaldiri]

I'm always mystified by these posts that cup2s are undrivable and/or dangerous in low temperatures. I was driving fairly rapidly around mid/north wales when I had the gt4 last year in April in damp conditions and 5-6 degrees. I've also driven in light sleet in the 7.2rs and 3 degrees and surprisingly I'm still alive. Just be sensible with the right foot and drive to the conditions and you'll be fine imho.

[RSVP911]

isaldiri said:

I'm always mystified by these posts that cup2s are undrivable and/or dangerous in low temperatures. I was driving fairly rapidly around mid/north wales when I had the gt4 last year in April in damp conditions and 5-6 degrees. I've also driven in light sleet in the 7.2rs and 3 degrees and surprisingly I'm still alive. Just be sensible with the right foot and drive to the conditions and you'll be fine imho.

I used my 991.1 GT3 as a DD all they way through the winter - left it at home when there was obviously snow/ice on the ground otherwise it was fine

[Armitage.Shanks]

MartinRS2K said:

av185 said:

Watch that.......77 mph 'indicated' in newish Porsches whilst optimistic appears fairly accurate compared to many cars and there is recent evidence to suggest several counties including Cumbria at times operate a zero tolerance speeding policy (as opposed to the widely fictitious 10%+2mph 'guidelines') via their cash cow 'scamera' vans, particularly on the M6.

The Cumbria Camera Vans are very tight on speeds. I have a friend who got prosecuted on the M6 near Carlisle doing 74mph and it was a clear dry day with low traffic flow which is the norm in Cumbria.

I use the M6 every day to drive to Carlisle and I set the cruise at 71mph as the camera vans are there at least 4 days a week

Without going too far off theme, a FOI request to Cumbria states they do adopt the ACPO (now NPCC) guidelines, so 10%+2mph before enforcement. Dependent on how far over this speed awareness course is offered. An 'excess' speed under +10% by camera would never get a hearing in court.

[MartinRS2K]

Armitage.Shanks said:

Without going too far off theme, a FOI request to Cumbria states they do adopt the ACPO (now NPCC) guidelines, so 10%+2mph before enforcement. Dependent on how far over this speed awareness course is offered. An 'excess' speed under +10% by camera would never get a hearing in court.

My friend got a Fixed Penalty Notice for his 74mph (no court proceedings)

[Porsche911R]

RSVP911 said:

I used my 991.1 GT3 as a DD all they way through the winter - left it at home when there was obviously snow/ice on the ground otherwise it was fine

I also use my cars with cups 2's on them all year , but when you get back into a car with PS4S on at 3oc it is night and day, so you have to say to yourself, yes you can drive round with less grip, but when push comes to shove and you need to stop or worse avoid some thing, you might be dead in the car with cup 2's on and live in the car with PS4S on, hence why we have a winter tyre option also and why that is legal to swap in some colder countries.

Now take a winter tyre set up car in the wet (more common than ever in the UK now)vs a cup 2 and the car in front stops quite quick, I don't care how safe you are you are hitting the car in front as no one leaves a 4 seconds gap in the real world.

It also depends where you live, in the midlands the ave temps during the day are far higher than the temps in Scotland or at the coast, and again if you have to go to work at 7am vs working from home like I do you can pretty much avoid having to put a winter tyre on.

Some people swear by winter tyres so while it may be fine to run Cup's all year it's a bigger risk all round.

this is only at 5oc and you have lost 5 meters already and that's not even a cup or the faster speeds we tend to do.
vs a cup maybe double to 10 meters ! I have aquaplane in my old GT3 with PS2 on , it's not that much fun.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th October 08:54

[Armitage.Shanks]

MartinRS2K said:

Armitage.Shanks said:

Without going too far off theme, a FOI request to Cumbria states they do adopt the ACPO (now NPCC) guidelines, so 10%+2mph before enforcement. Dependent on how far over this speed awareness course is offered. An 'excess' speed under +10% by camera would never get a hearing in court.

My friend got a Fixed Penalty Notice for his 74mph (no court proceedings)

Perhaps he should have challenged it, cited margin for speedo error, national guidelines and unless the force concerned could evidence a higher accident rate over that stretch of road that justifies them disregading national guidance he'd like the opportunity to make his case in court. CPS wouldn't bother. Unless of course he was offered speed awareness (as that is clearly within the acceptable limit) in which case take it with both hands.

[Porsche911R]

Armitage.Shanks said:

Perhaps he should have challenged it, cited margin for speedo error, national guidelines and unless the force concerned could evidence a higher accident rate over that stretch of road that justifies them disregading national guidance he'd like the opportunity to make his case in court. CPS wouldn't bother. Unless of course he was offered speed awareness (as that is clearly within the acceptable limit) in which case take it with both hands.

prob in a 60 zone lol

it's hard to get your head round a 74mph speeding ticket in a 70 zone ! when there are utter loons on the road, these laws just go after the safe driver :-(

I would have taken it to court myself and see what happened, one would have to go though car testing etc etc would it really get that far for such a low speeding offence.

[Fokker]

My Dunlop's aren't great for wet of cold weather so I'll be changing to a set of Cups 2's for the winter!

[PhantomPH]

Nice one for sale at Romans. I'd have preferred the carbon interior trim t the chrome, but....

http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1099/porsch...

[Porsche911R]

PhantomPH said:

Nice one for sale at Romans. I'd have preferred the carbon interior trim t the chrome, but....

http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1099/porsch...

not sure it's that nice a spec, no Carbon, no PCM, no PDSL, no cruise, no exclusive bits. plus alcantara delete which for me is a massive no no.

Odd to point out a car which when you stop to look is very low speced at a higher price !

You can buy fully speced cars for £85k now.

It's a nice car to get into if you just want buckets and leather as that's all it has, and nothing wrong in that but that has to reflect a much lower price imo.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th October 12:15

[PhantomPH]

Porsche911R said:

PhantomPH said:

Nice one for sale at Romans. I'd have preferred the carbon interior trim t the chrome, but....

http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1099/porsch...

not sure it's that nice a spec, no Carbon, no PCM, no PDSL, no cruise, no exclusive bits. plus alcantara delete which for me is a massive no no.

Odd to point out a car which when you stop to look is very low speced at a higher price !

You can buy fully speced cars for £85k now.

It's a nice car to get into if you just want buckets and leather as that's all it has, and nothing wrong in that but that has to reflect a much lower price imo.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th October 12:15

Allow me to expand my original statement...'Nice looking one at Romans'. I've not seen many/any in Agate, so thought I would share. Sorry 911R...I know you will hate me now and not be my friend and I am not as cool as you or other people on here who are just awesome and knowledgable and great and sexy...forgive me??? PLEASE????????????????????

[av185]

No PCM on that GT4 is a killer. Just over £70k otr list.

Nice smooth leather though.

[PhantomPH]

Look, I fked up alright??!!! That one is clearly like the rest of Romans' stock - overpriced because they can. Fine - I won't post any more GT4s!! *stamps feet and takes ball in* *sobs gently*

[av185]

Agree the GT4 'looks'okay in Agate and it is quite a rare colour relatively.

But imo its all a bit grey.

Car needs red belts and perhaps red stitching too.

And the pcm, of course. :