12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
RSVP911 said:
Not trying to start a row , but based on your views above, I can’t see you liking the GT3 
it might cure the GT4 points I talked about, I'll give it a go ;-) at least I will be honest about it.Shorter ratio's, more torque, 120 BHP more, no need to take it to 9k bar track use.
Have they dulled the GT3 down to much ? , who knows, I'll have fun finding out.
People are saying it's leagues ahead over a GT4.
at least mine will see a track ;-p
when I said the GT4 was too good, I think it needed more power for the tyres and chassis, I am not sure what people are driving like to offer up the s
t I take lolbut you get 60/70% agree with my posts but only say token things, and the 30% who don't agree shout as loud as f
k about me and call me a . esp owners of cars I point out the worse bits about lol
Even slippy gave in and bought an R and was impressed even though it was not what he was looking for, I think he understands the car.
The GT4 never excited me sorry to say, the gearing killed that car and I have always said as much, the Geo gave it a new least of life but it felt under powered for the package imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 16th January 18:52
BubblesNW said:
GT4 has been sold...initially slagged off then talked up prior to selling.
Cayman R is currently being talked up as the best road driving tool ever. Maybe because he is about to sell it...
Call me cynical if you like but the GT3 will not 'gel' with Mr D and be sold on quickly for a healthy profit...
All IMHO of course
I have always talked the R up and said it's the best road going tool ever , where have you been hiding the last 7 years lol ? , it's a great car lost on you I would say, only car I have bought 2 of. I had no need to talk the GT4 up it was part exed for the GT3 and sold in 2 days , was a great spec car my Gt4. I gave a honest PEC review back in 2015 and an honest appraisal of it over all of which many agree with. Cayman R is currently being talked up as the best road driving tool ever. Maybe because he is about to sell it...
Call me cynical if you like but the GT3 will not 'gel' with Mr D and be sold on quickly for a healthy profit...
All IMHO of course
I think a lot of these past posts are green eye monsters posts.
same old people, DCM2, Bubbles, and a few others, shows up what a few people are really like for all to see which is a good thing.
I would love to keep all these cars, but alas I am not the AV185's and Andrew D's of this world to be able to keep every thing.
Forums are nasty places, which is a shame.
DMC2 said:
Really? I think he's a tosser.
Yet despite his quirks, I don't believe I have ever seen him resort to calling somebody a tosser?I think he makes a lot of valid points on cars, though can sometimes do it in a way that annoys people.
Sometimes he just types like someone with Aspergers talks.
Looking at his car history, he is a proper petrolhead at least.
Porsche911R said:
Forums are nasty places, which is a shame.
You dont really do yourself any favours!Can someone please give me the front and rear tyres sizes for the GT4 as I'm too lazy to trawl through google.
I need some new cup 2's, my dunlops are shagged if entertaining!
Cheers
BTW - The GT4 needs no more power on the road in this weather. Sideway everywhere on cut slicks!
.One of the most annoying in fact the most annoying user on the forum by some margin.
Tosser? No way.
It's all good fun and as I said on Seloc we really could do without him boring us to death at every opportunity but I'd certainly have a pint with him any time. He could tell me at length all the reasons why I had ordered the wrong beer it would be awesome
Tosser? No way.
It's all good fun and as I said on Seloc we really could do without him boring us to death at every opportunity but I'd certainly have a pint with him any time. He could tell me at length all the reasons why I had ordered the wrong beer it would be awesome
Budflicker said:
Yet despite his quirks, I don't believe I have ever seen him resort to calling somebody a tosser?
I think he makes a lot of valid points on cars, though can sometimes do it in a way that annoys people.
Sometimes he just types like someone with Aspergers talks.
Looking at his car history, he is a proper petrolhead at least.
I think you've kind of hit the nail on the head here...I think he makes a lot of valid points on cars, though can sometimes do it in a way that annoys people.
Sometimes he just types like someone with Aspergers talks.
Looking at his car history, he is a proper petrolhead at least.
isaldiri said:
You are basically just artificially changing your rev limit to 6500..which is fine if that's what you wish but you seem to be implying peak torque is good for more than the sake of it.
If you're looking to maximise acceleration, you aren't actually just trying to keep the engine in the peak torque band but trying to apply the most accelerative force on the road. And in most cases that will be staying in the lower gear going higher up the rev range until at or near the rev limit compared to changing gears even if it gets you to the 'peak torque' band.
While that is perfectly true, it means you are driving on the falling part of the torque curve for much (probably most) of the time. Lots of people say it's the rush of top end power is what they like - well actually if you drive above peak torque that is somewhat misleading. Personally I find it more emotionally satisfying to drive a rising torque curve than a falling one. So I tend to change gear around 6500 on my 981S even when pressing on. Of course I'd actually produce faster acceleration times if I hung on to the gears longer. The only way I get a real buzz from revving right to the red line is on a 2 stroke bike where peak revs and peak power are only a few hundred revs apart.If you're looking to maximise acceleration, you aren't actually just trying to keep the engine in the peak torque band but trying to apply the most accelerative force on the road. And in most cases that will be staying in the lower gear going higher up the rev range until at or near the rev limit compared to changing gears even if it gets you to the 'peak torque' band.
diffstar said:
Sandy59 said:
A bit of a picture shortage recently on here ??
Yellow and yellow, not looking to start a which yellow looks best debate, both look great to me in the flesh.
The yellow on the right just reminds me of the old BT yellow vans.Yellow and yellow, not looking to start a which yellow looks best debate, both look great to me in the flesh.
bcr5784 said:
While that is perfectly true, it means you are driving on the falling part of the torque curve for much (probably most) of the time. Lots of people say it's the rush of top end power is what they like - well actually if you drive above peak torque that is somewhat misleading. Personally I find it more emotionally satisfying to drive a rising torque curve than a falling one. So I tend to change gear around 6500 on my 981S even when pressing on. Of course I'd actually produce faster acceleration times if I hung on to the gears longer. The only way I get a real buzz from revving right to the red line is on a 2 stroke bike where peak revs and peak power are only a few hundred revs apart.
Well, as you say it's 'the rush of top end power'. Your 981S (or any other cayman 981 or 987 tbh) produces very little if any more power at the last 1k of revs. So yes I agree in that respect it's not particularly interesting to rev it out, as I noted about my gt4 when I had it. On the gt3 (any) or X51 991.1 engines, the engine continues to produce more power up to very near the rev limit even on a falling torque curve as the tailoff is much more gradual and I'm very certain it's rather more fun revving out the last 2k on a gt3 than 4-6k even if the torque is falling away.isaldiri said:
On the gt3 (any) or X51 991.1 engines, the engine continues to produce more power up to very near the rev limit even on a falling torque curve as the tailoff is much more gradual.
Both the gen 1 GT3 and gen2 produce maximum power at 8250 rpm some 750 rpm short of the max 9000rpm.Of more interest is the huge differences in power loss between the two engines in these final 750rpms up to the 9000 red line clearly making it far more beneficial and satisfying to hang on to the revs in the gen2.
The gen 1 engine loses 11.4percent of its power (down to 310kw) whereas the gen 2 loses just 4.8 percent (down to 350kw).
Furthermore the torque loss on the gen 1 engine is 25 percent from max torque at 6250 rpm up to the red line (330nm) compared to the gen 2 at just 19.6 percent at 6000 rpm up to the red line (350nm).
Porsche911R said:
it might cure the GT4 points I talked about, I'll give it a go ;-) at least I will be honest about it.
Shorter ratio's, more torque, 120 BHP more, no need to take it to 9k bar track use.
Have they dulled the GT3 down to much ? , who knows, I'll have fun finding out.
People are saying it's leagues ahead over a GT4.
at least mine will see a track ;-p
when I said the GT4 was too good, I think it needed more power for the tyres and chassis, I am not sure what people are driving like to offer up the st I take lol
but you get 60/70% agree with my posts but only say token things, and the 30% who don't agree shout as loud as fk about me and call me a .
esp owners of cars I point out the worse bits about lol
Even slippy gave in and bought an R and was impressed even though it was not what he was looking for, I think he understands the car.
The GT4 never excited me sorry to say, the gearing killed that car and I have always said as much, the Geo gave it a new least of life but it felt under powered for the package imo.
As I said, I didn’t want to start a row and as such, sorry the posts that followed were not nice it wasn’t my intention. Shorter ratio's, more torque, 120 BHP more, no need to take it to 9k bar track use.
Have they dulled the GT3 down to much ? , who knows, I'll have fun finding out.
People are saying it's leagues ahead over a GT4.
at least mine will see a track ;-p
when I said the GT4 was too good, I think it needed more power for the tyres and chassis, I am not sure what people are driving like to offer up the s
t I take lolbut you get 60/70% agree with my posts but only say token things, and the 30% who don't agree shout as loud as f
k about me and call me a . esp owners of cars I point out the worse bits about lol
Even slippy gave in and bought an R and was impressed even though it was not what he was looking for, I think he understands the car.
The GT4 never excited me sorry to say, the gearing killed that car and I have always said as much, the Geo gave it a new least of life but it felt under powered for the package imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 16th January 18:52
I just thought the points on the GT4 would be similar and to some extent even more exaggerated in the new GT3 , but you’re right, I may be wrong and as you say, I’m sure that it will be fun finding out.
You have always been consistent about your R and I’m sorry that it’s having to go as I can tell you genuinely love that car and as such, I hope the GT3 isnt a mistake for you. (Obviously not a risk as you can always get back into an R) As you know I feel the same way about my 981 Spyder - just shows different people love different things which is great as there is no right or wrong - it’s all grey and in hindsight we all waste far too much time on here trying to tell each other what’s good and what’s bad.
Keep your chin up
Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 16th January 22:00
av185 said:
Of more interest is the huge differences in power loss between the two engines in these final 750rpms up to the 9000 red line clearly making it far more beneficial and satisfying to hang on to the revs in the gen2.
Not that clear when one of the posters said that between 8-9k the gen 1 felt more 'scintillating' or something in another thread.isaldiri said:
av185 said:
Of more interest is the huge differences in power loss between the two engines in these final 750rpms up to the 9000 red line clearly making it far more beneficial and satisfying to hang on to the revs in the gen2.
Not that clear when one of the posters said that between 8-9k the gen 1 felt more 'scintillating' or something in another thread.av185 said:
isaldiri said:
av185 said:
Of more interest is the huge differences in power loss between the two engines in these final 750rpms up to the 9000 red line clearly making it far more beneficial and satisfying to hang on to the revs in the gen2.
Not that clear when one of the posters said that between 8-9k the gen 1 felt more 'scintillating' or something in another thread.Mine has only done 500 miles to date due to the incessant poor weather we've had since pick up.
I can't wait for spring to arrive and hopefully better GT3 weather..
TomEdward said:
Thank you Tom but Camskill are cheaper.£245 for the fronts
£281 for the rears
Total £1057.
Saving £141
TomEdward said:
Fokker said:
Thank you Tom but Camskill are cheaper.
£245 for the fronts
£281 for the rears
Total £1057.
Saving £141
Wow that’s great cheers Fokker. Might buy a set now in preparation for summer and save a few quid£245 for the fronts
£281 for the rears
Total £1057.
Saving £141
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