12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
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Swimfinz said:
Fokker said:
Foxmod said:
I can vouch for Cargraphic, had a headers and systems fitted to mine, keeping the value control, uped the noise and power. Nice thing is the headers can be fitted to the reguler system if you need to keep the noise the same. Felt the difference, rev quicker and the noise was brilliant. I removed it beofre the car was sold and its now looking for a new owner
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Porsche911R said:
Fokker said:
The GT4 is a classic example of a value for money sports car. Once you sell it, you'll realise that the grass simply isn't greener on the other side of the fence.
yep 3 months after buying my GT4 and selling my R I bought another R :-), grass is not greener for sure.you can have more fun at 1/2 the price :-)
PS some one buy my GT4 adjustable toe links, they are very nice and 1/2 price to 1st pm.
p.s. I guess you missed the bit on my PCGB thread where I said to let me know what you wanted for the toe links.
RSVP911 said:
dysart200 said:
Swimfinz said:
Depends what you are looking for in terms of “performance”.... The Spyder (I’m assuming you mean the 981 variant) will be much the same as the GT4– unless you track a lot—but without a roof (both a good and bad thing in this country...!). The T and .2 GTS are turbo’d, and thus they deliver power in a very different way— huge amounts of torque, but nowhere near as smooth as a N/A motor. But the outright “performance” is certainly there.... Personally, I’d never swap my GT4 for either of the latter 2 cars, unless I needed the back seats of the GTS: they just don’t “feel” as hard-edged and don’t provide the same level of feedback/involvement.... The Spyder I would only really swap into for a bit of sunny, summer fun; or if I didn’t do any track work.... And yes— I’ve driven all of these cars, and own a GT4, so hopefully have some level of objectivity (although I’m obviously GT4 biased... )
Why not try the 987.2 Spyder...?? Cracking car, and one of my biggest regrets in selling....
Thanks for the reply, good to hear from someone with experience of all of them. )Why not try the 987.2 Spyder...?? Cracking car, and one of my biggest regrets in selling....
Pretty much what I expected. I don't track the car yet. Spend my time on the B roads so maybe the Spyder would be a good choice for the summer as I'm no racing driver so doubt I'd even notice the small difference in the GT4 to the Spyder. As it is for country roads, I'm not bothered for top end speed or outright acceleration when it comes to performance. I was referring more the wonderful steering and go kart feel of the GT4. I have ceramics but by all accounts on these threads, the steel's are phenomenal as well. I know the Carrera T or GTS will not be as good as the GT4 in this sense but kind of hoped the gap wouldn't be large enough to really annoy me. I think I just want a new toy.....
I had both - still own the Spyder
dysart200 said:
Thanks for the input and advice everyone. Will speak with OPC and see what I can find Spyder wise and if there is something suitable out there I may be tempted to make the change for summer.
They are fantastic cars - if you love your GT4 , you’ll love the Spyder - good luck Porsche911R said:
yep 3 months after buying my GT4 and selling my R I bought another R :-), grass is not greener for sure.
you can have more fun at 1/2 the price :-)
Best friend has a R, I have the GT4. We both agree the GT4 is better on every level than the R. I've no idea what you're smoking but it's not just a river in Egypt. Everyone has an opinion blah blah blah but to say the R is better than the GT4 is flipping laughable. you can have more fun at 1/2 the price :-)
Foxmod said:
TDT said:
Upnorthgt3 said:
Has anyone fitted an aftermarket exhaust?
If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
What are you looking for power, sound or both?If yes, what brand?
How much?
Any good?
FabSpeed and Cargraphic are well renowned.
Innotech (iPE) is also available
The stock exhaust is quite good if a bit material heavy in typical OEM Porsche fashion.
Improvements can be made by changing out the stock headers for freer flowing ones which will release a lot of power and sound.
Do you want to retain OEM valve control/Sports Exhaust Button? or happy to have it controlled by another remote?
Fokker said:
Foxmod said:
I can vouch for Cargraphic, had a headers and systems fitted to mine, keeping the value control, uped the noise and power. Nice thing is the headers can be fitted to the reguler system if you need to keep the noise the same. Felt the difference, rev quicker and the noise was brilliant. I removed it beofre the car was sold and its now looking for a new owner
PM sentTomEdward said:
Fair enough, still think the GT4 is more "fun" than an R as well.. but each to their own.
Please expand on this, i am interested to here why, as we all look at fun in our own way, as i am trying to start a new business idea , i would love to hear why you in person think a GT4 is more fun, you are a target future client and i am missing some thing from some people on what fun is.I goto many events and i do see and meet a range of people who are all having fun in their own ways, i don't dismiss what one person finds they like doing for fun if they like doing it.
As we have seen in other threads people find fun in pretending to be a race driver and using paddles , others find fun in going to events and reving the nuts of their engines, they seem to be having a load of fun also, others drive up and down London streets on saturdays again they must see this as a fun thing to do. Others turn up to events and start polishing their cars and enjoy doing that. Some love setting lap records on track days, some just like open top motoring on a Sunday morning wind in hair. some buy look at me cars, some buy lifestyle cars.
Some like resroring classics, some like air cooled, some like the turbo feel, some just like to own rare cars, some just like a car to meet up with mates for a run out.
What is fun for you regarding owning a car and in what way do you feel a GT4 is more fun than the R ? There is no wrong answer here i would just like to know what is fun for you to make the comment you did.
Twinfan said:
He said it was more fun not better
I've not driven an R, but I can see how it might be a better road car to drive. GT4 lives for track work IMHO, which is what it was designed for.
^^^ +1I've not driven an R, but I can see how it might be a better road car to drive. GT4 lives for track work IMHO, which is what it was designed for.
Having owned both a 987.2 Spyder (similar drive to an R, I’m sure...) and a GT4, I’d say the Spyder gave more of that “go-kart” feel than the GT4, if that’s what your after..... But the GT4 is most defo the better track car “out of the box”..... I know that Mr D fine-tuned his Spyder to make it a track weapon, but as stock cars go, the GT4 is the better machine on track imo....
Both awesome cars tbh, and I’m REALLY struggling with the concept of moving my GT4 on.... But for road use only, I’d personally go 987.2 Spyder or R....
Swimfinz said:
Twinfan said:
He said it was more fun not better
I've not driven an R, but I can see how it might be a better road car to drive. GT4 lives for track work IMHO, which is what it was designed for.
^^^ +1I've not driven an R, but I can see how it might be a better road car to drive. GT4 lives for track work IMHO, which is what it was designed for.
Having owned both a 987.2 Spyder (similar drive to an R, I’m sure...) and a GT4, I’d say the Spyder gave more of that “go-kart” feel than the GT4, if that’s what your after..... But the GT4 is most defo the better track car “out of the box”..... I know that Mr D fine-tuned his Spyder to make it a track weapon, but as stock cars go, the GT4 is the better machine on track imo....
Both awesome cars tbh, and I’m REALLY struggling with the concept of moving my GT4 on.... But for road use only, I’d personally go 987.2 Spyder or R....
today it's 981 Spyder day as my other half likes that car the most.
Porsche911R said:
Please expand on this, i am interested to here why, as we all look at fun in our own way, as i am trying to start a new business idea , i would love to hear why you in person think a GT4 is more fun, you are a target future client and i am missing some thing from some people on what fun is.
I goto many events and i do see and meet a range of people who are all having fun in their own ways, i don't dismiss what one person finds they like doing for fun if they like doing it.
As we have seen in other threads people find fun in pretending to be a race driver and using paddles , others find fun in going to events and reving the nuts of their engines, they seem to be having a load of fun also, others drive up and down London streets on saturdays again they must see this as a fun thing to do. Others turn up to events and start polishing their cars and enjoy doing that. Some love setting lap records on track days, some just like open top motoring on a Sunday morning wind in hair. some buy look at me cars, some buy lifestyle cars.
Some like resroring classics, some like air cooled, some like the turbo feel, some just like to own rare cars, some just like a car to meet up with mates for a run out.
What is fun for you regarding owning a car and in what way do you feel a GT4 is more fun than the R ? There is no wrong answer here i would just like to know what is fun for you to make the comment you did.
Sorry if my original retort was somewhat harsh. We are very much drivers, lucky to live on the doorstep of some great driving roads and do half a dozen track days a year and get up early on Sundays to enjoy quiet roads along with the motorbikes. For me fun is a connection with the car where speed, sound, steering feel, changing gear and fast sweeping corners blend together to create something greater than the sum of it's parts.I goto many events and i do see and meet a range of people who are all having fun in their own ways, i don't dismiss what one person finds they like doing for fun if they like doing it.
As we have seen in other threads people find fun in pretending to be a race driver and using paddles , others find fun in going to events and reving the nuts of their engines, they seem to be having a load of fun also, others drive up and down London streets on saturdays again they must see this as a fun thing to do. Others turn up to events and start polishing their cars and enjoy doing that. Some love setting lap records on track days, some just like open top motoring on a Sunday morning wind in hair. some buy look at me cars, some buy lifestyle cars.
Some like resroring classics, some like air cooled, some like the turbo feel, some just like to own rare cars, some just like a car to meet up with mates for a run out.
What is fun for you regarding owning a car and in what way do you feel a GT4 is more fun than the R ? There is no wrong answer here i would just like to know what is fun for you to make the comment you did.
The GT4 feels like a sharper instrument at the peak of its limits. At full chat it handles corners differently than the R. The R is nimble and light and you can place it extremely well and I enjoy the revvy engine a lot. But taking the GT4 to the limit is just awesome, it requires small inputs to get great things from it, as mentioned the confidence it gives in the corners is huge thanks to the reworked front end (the back end needs some help I think) The engine yes is longer revving but as mentioned more engaging at the top end of the rev range.
All of that combined makes the GT4 imo a car that's more 'fun' albeit at the higher end of it's limits.
TomEdward said:
Sorry if my original retort was somewhat harsh. We are very much drivers, lucky to live on the doorstep of some great driving roads and do half a dozen track days a year and get up early on Sundays to enjoy quiet roads along with the motorbikes. For me fun is a connection with the car where speed, sound, steering feel, changing gear and fast sweeping corners blend together to create something greater than the sum of it's parts.
The GT4 feels like a sharper instrument at the peak of its limits. At full chat it handles corners differently than the R. The R is nimble and light and you can place it extremely well and I enjoy the revvy engine a lot. But taking the GT4 to the limit is just awesome, it requires small inputs to get great things from it, as mentioned the confidence it gives in the corners is huge thanks to the reworked front end (the back end needs some help I think) The engine yes is longer revving but as mentioned more engaging at the top end of the rev range.
All of that combined makes the GT4 imo a car that's more 'fun' albeit at the higher end of it's limits.
The limits I found were me also looking at the speedo and seeing >120+mph over the R not needing to go above 100, hence more fun more of the time in my R. I don’t think I could hit the limits in the GT4 in the UK, it could pull 1.5g on the road after I got the geo done on it.The GT4 feels like a sharper instrument at the peak of its limits. At full chat it handles corners differently than the R. The R is nimble and light and you can place it extremely well and I enjoy the revvy engine a lot. But taking the GT4 to the limit is just awesome, it requires small inputs to get great things from it, as mentioned the confidence it gives in the corners is huge thanks to the reworked front end (the back end needs some help I think) The engine yes is longer revving but as mentioned more engaging at the top end of the rev range.
All of that combined makes the GT4 imo a car that's more 'fun' albeit at the higher end of it's limits.
And while I had great fun in my GT4 in Wales x3 times a few track days and a couple of euro trips at 170mph, the R for me in the UK wins for interaction and steering sub 100mph and hence why for me it was more fun, I would rather the GT4 for the track days and euro hoons, for sure. But hitting 120+ in the GT4 and it laughing at you asking to go faster was a bit too much for my comfort and that was not fun at that point.
It’s all a risk reward thing and most people don't Agree with the speeds people do on hoons.
It's very easy to hit >140mph in most cars now so getting these cars to the limits to be fun is impossible. I can keep with a 650S in my Golf as an example.
Take a look the the RS ring lap, you cannot do that on the road and that’s what the GT4 ,GT3 can do on the limits. I don't believe any one is hitting any where close to modern cars limits In the UK so hence why I say my other cars are more fun. And hence why a load of people are buying older, slower cars which talk to you.
Porsche911R said:
TomEdward said:
Sorry if my original retort was somewhat harsh. We are very much drivers, lucky to live on the doorstep of some great driving roads and do half a dozen track days a year and get up early on Sundays to enjoy quiet roads along with the motorbikes. For me fun is a connection with the car where speed, sound, steering feel, changing gear and fast sweeping corners blend together to create something greater than the sum of it's parts.
The GT4 feels like a sharper instrument at the peak of its limits. At full chat it handles corners differently than the R. The R is nimble and light and you can place it extremely well and I enjoy the revvy engine a lot. But taking the GT4 to the limit is just awesome, it requires small inputs to get great things from it, as mentioned the confidence it gives in the corners is huge thanks to the reworked front end (the back end needs some help I think) The engine yes is longer revving but as mentioned more engaging at the top end of the rev range.
All of that combined makes the GT4 imo a car that's more 'fun' albeit at the higher end of it's limits.
The limits I found were me also looking at the speedo and seeing >120+mph over the R not needing to go above 100, hence more fun more of the time in my R. I don’t think I could hit the limits in the GT4 in the UK, it could pull 1.5g on the road after I got the geo done on it.The GT4 feels like a sharper instrument at the peak of its limits. At full chat it handles corners differently than the R. The R is nimble and light and you can place it extremely well and I enjoy the revvy engine a lot. But taking the GT4 to the limit is just awesome, it requires small inputs to get great things from it, as mentioned the confidence it gives in the corners is huge thanks to the reworked front end (the back end needs some help I think) The engine yes is longer revving but as mentioned more engaging at the top end of the rev range.
All of that combined makes the GT4 imo a car that's more 'fun' albeit at the higher end of it's limits.
And while I had great fun in my GT4 in Wales x3 times a few track days and a couple of euro trips at 170mph, the R for me in the UK wins for interaction and steering sub 100mph and hence why for me it was more fun, I would rather the GT4 for the track days and euro hoons, for sure. But hitting 120+ in the GT4 and it laughing at you asking to go faster was a bit too much for my comfort and that was not fun at that point.
It’s all a risk reward thing and most people don't Agree with the speeds people do on hoons.
It's very easy to hit >140mph in most cars now so getting these cars to the limits to be fun is impossible. I can keep with a 650S in my Golf as an example.
Take a look the the RS ring lap, you cannot do that on the road and that’s what the GT4 ,GT3 can do on the limits. I don't believe any one is hitting any where close to modern cars limits In the UK so hence why I say my other cars are more fun. And hence why a load of people are buying older, slower cars which talk to you.
Geoff39GL said:
What about your GT3 ? my previous 991.1 GT3 I found you needed to be going very fast for that to come alive which is fine on track but you were going silly speeds on the public roads and I find my GT4 gives more fun at slower speeds, may be that is because of the manual box but we will not go there today.
My GT3 is manual so it's like a GT4 at 130% , every thing I say about limits would be the same in the GT3.of course the GT3 engine is mighty, the steering is yet again improved, the ratio's shorter, the torque bigger , there is less sound proofing in the GT3, the cage pings, the disks rattle, you hear every stone under the arch's etc etc so it's more of an event to drive over a GT4 by quite a big way (that did shock me) , I would say some people would hate the GT3 due to all that extra noise going on.
but limits, lol have you seen the GT3/GT4 ring laps, those are the limits we deal with today, you cannot do that on the road.
So fun at slower speeds, my 987.2 Spyder wins again over every thing I own
The GT3 does give more interaction and is more an event over the GT4, due to the things I have said, I guess that might be classed as more fun at the same speed may be ? but if fun = driving at the limit then neither are more fun !! if you can see what I am getting at.
I would not want a PDK one, but I would like to rag some ones 991.2 RS on a track for a few hours ;-) they seem a bit pointless on the road and I would be in jail.
Porsche911R said:
The limits I found were me also looking at the speedo and seeing >120+mph over the R not needing to go above 100, hence more fun more of the time in my R. I don’t think I could hit the limits in the GT4 in the UK, it could pull 1.5g on the road after I got the geo done on it.
And while I had great fun in my GT4 in Wales x3 times a few track days and a couple of euro trips at 170mph, the R for me in the UK wins for interaction and steering sub 100mph and hence why for me it was more fun, I would rather the GT4 for the track days and euro hoons, for sure. But hitting 120+ in the GT4 and it laughing at you asking to go faster was a bit too much for my comfort and that was not fun at that point.
It’s all a risk reward thing and most people don't Agree with the speeds people do on hoons.
It's very easy to hit >140mph in most cars now so getting these cars to the limits to be fun is impossible. I can keep with a 650S in my Golf as an example.
Take a look the the RS ring lap, you cannot do that on the road and that’s what the GT4 ,GT3 can do on the limits. I don't believe any one is hitting any where close to modern cars limits In the UK so hence why I say my other cars are more fun. And hence why a load of people are buying older, slower cars which talk to you.
I disagree. Not all corners are 100mph corners so your point is mute. And while I had great fun in my GT4 in Wales x3 times a few track days and a couple of euro trips at 170mph, the R for me in the UK wins for interaction and steering sub 100mph and hence why for me it was more fun, I would rather the GT4 for the track days and euro hoons, for sure. But hitting 120+ in the GT4 and it laughing at you asking to go faster was a bit too much for my comfort and that was not fun at that point.
It’s all a risk reward thing and most people don't Agree with the speeds people do on hoons.
It's very easy to hit >140mph in most cars now so getting these cars to the limits to be fun is impossible. I can keep with a 650S in my Golf as an example.
Take a look the the RS ring lap, you cannot do that on the road and that’s what the GT4 ,GT3 can do on the limits. I don't believe any one is hitting any where close to modern cars limits In the UK so hence why I say my other cars are more fun. And hence why a load of people are buying older, slower cars which talk to you.
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