12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
JayK12 said:
TDT said:
Coming Donny then? Can you get out on the 13th of August?
k-GqdsTDT said:
JayK12 said:
TDT said:
Coming Donny then? Can you get out on the 13th of August?
diffstar said:
I am not sure how much of a bargaining chip is trading a gt4 in against the next one, they will only pay market rate and you are sure to take one in the bullet if like most people you have paid overs. I can’t see a dealer desperate to buy in the old model, of course they will, if there is money in it for them.
Dealers are keen to buy in whatever there is a demand for and it's been quite clear that there is a demand for GT4s because those in the Porsche network are turning over nicely. Certainly quicker now than they were at the start of the year. And then there has been the issue of the no supply of new cars created by whatever has caused the extended factory shut down this year which means the dealers need good used stock to sell. And assuming that the new GT4 does not arrive until spring and that they need to wait 6 months from then to sell flipped cars, they will still be keen to buy and sell the old one.boxsey said:
Dealers are keen to buy in whatever there is a demand for and it's been quite clear that there is a demand for GT4s because those in the Porsche network are turning over nicely. Certainly quicker now than they were at the start of the year. And then there has been the issue of the no supply of new cars created by whatever has caused the extended factory shut down this year which means the dealers need good used stock to sell. And assuming that the new GT4 does not arrive until spring and that they need to wait 6 months from then to sell flipped cars, they will still be keen to buy and sell the old one.
Hammer.... meet nail head. TDT said:
boxsey said:
Dealers are keen to buy in whatever there is a demand for and it's been quite clear that there is a demand for GT4s because those in the Porsche network are turning over nicely. Certainly quicker now than they were at the start of the year. And then there has been the issue of the no supply of new cars created by whatever has caused the extended factory shut down this year which means the dealers need good used stock to sell. And assuming that the new GT4 does not arrive until spring and that they need to wait 6 months from then to sell flipped cars, they will still be keen to buy and sell the old one.
Hammer.... meet nail head. TBH I thought all trade bids for GT4’s now started with a 6. For them to be 3 years old and still trading to OPC’s at or over list seems at odds with the rest of the market.
Having so many (relatively) GT4 for sale tells me supply is greater than demand, not the other way round.
I await the the barrage of GT4 owners tell me how wrong I am.......
Cat meet pigeons!!
diffstar said:
For them to be 3 years old and still trading to OPC’s at or over list seems at odds with the rest of the market.
You mean like 991.1 GT3s? And the other cases mentioned in the last few pages of this thread? Find an argument somewhere else please.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 7th August 20:26
diffstar said:
Hardly, everything is in demand at the right price......
TBH I thought all trade bids for GT4’s now started with a 6. For them to be 3 years old and still trading to OPC’s at or over list seems at odds with the rest of the market.
Having so many (relatively) GT4 for sale tells me supply is greater than demand, not the other way round.
I await the the barrage of GT4 owners tell me how wrong I am.......
Cat meet pigeons!!
Don't think you will get a barrage because it's not clear what your angle is? Want a GT4 but disgruntled that the price is still higher than original list? Hoping to drive the market price down to where you think it should have been by now? Or simply anti-GT4?TBH I thought all trade bids for GT4’s now started with a 6. For them to be 3 years old and still trading to OPC’s at or over list seems at odds with the rest of the market.
Having so many (relatively) GT4 for sale tells me supply is greater than demand, not the other way round.
I await the the barrage of GT4 owners tell me how wrong I am.......
Cat meet pigeons!!
As regards there being so many (relatively) for sale...5% of them being for sale when they're now 2 to 3 years old sounds pretty average for a high end weekend toy to me.
had a quick look at the OPC list
they are lower for sure , still over list but OPC cars start at £79k with 2 year warranty, so £78k trade bids sounds like fake news to me.
you can buy the yellow one with SC, leather, buckets and PCM for £80k ok miles and only 2 owners.
so dealers are def not paying £81k
As I said when you have PTS viper green car sell sub £85k that's the top end market price for sure and that's PTS in a rare colour.
you can now pick up a fully loaded car for £79k list so a bit less with a haggle.
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/...
that looks the best value car for sale atm, BIG spec, 5k miles sub £80k
GT4 dropped to about £80k fully loaded a year ago, then went to £85k soon after the 991.2GT3, prob failed sales, but they now seem back at £80k again if you want to sell one and not just list one for more. Still at over list then but that puts trade price on the best cars at £72k max. any higher than that or a lower spec is a MASSIVE risk as a buy in. Any one quoting these eye opening trade bids needs to snap their hands off ! imo of course, :-)
So no big drops and no big rises, just a swing of £5k over the last 2 years it seems, but as we know the cycle, the next GT4 will see a lot more GT4's at OPC as part ex's that's a given, if the specs/engines right people will be trading in at quite low trade in's to secure cars over the next man. Only way for the normal none VIP none Macan buying punter to get a car will be deals on part ex GT4 at very favourable prices, that has a knock on effect on the resale price , ie offer the car in at £65k to secure the new one, OPC adds £10k and knocks it out for £75k for a quick sale in the rush and hype and a flood of cars.
any org owners who still have 1 owner cars are still laughing, 3 to 4 year old cars can prob sell private at list, so a free car for the last 3 + years.
they are lower for sure , still over list but OPC cars start at £79k with 2 year warranty, so £78k trade bids sounds like fake news to me.
you can buy the yellow one with SC, leather, buckets and PCM for £80k ok miles and only 2 owners.
so dealers are def not paying £81k
As I said when you have PTS viper green car sell sub £85k that's the top end market price for sure and that's PTS in a rare colour.
you can now pick up a fully loaded car for £79k list so a bit less with a haggle.
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/...
that looks the best value car for sale atm, BIG spec, 5k miles sub £80k
GT4 dropped to about £80k fully loaded a year ago, then went to £85k soon after the 991.2GT3, prob failed sales, but they now seem back at £80k again if you want to sell one and not just list one for more. Still at over list then but that puts trade price on the best cars at £72k max. any higher than that or a lower spec is a MASSIVE risk as a buy in. Any one quoting these eye opening trade bids needs to snap their hands off ! imo of course, :-)
So no big drops and no big rises, just a swing of £5k over the last 2 years it seems, but as we know the cycle, the next GT4 will see a lot more GT4's at OPC as part ex's that's a given, if the specs/engines right people will be trading in at quite low trade in's to secure cars over the next man. Only way for the normal none VIP none Macan buying punter to get a car will be deals on part ex GT4 at very favourable prices, that has a knock on effect on the resale price , ie offer the car in at £65k to secure the new one, OPC adds £10k and knocks it out for £75k for a quick sale in the rush and hype and a flood of cars.
any org owners who still have 1 owner cars are still laughing, 3 to 4 year old cars can prob sell private at list, so a free car for the last 3 + years.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th August 09:11
R1nur said:
I've had 2 dealers contact me wanting to buy my car in the last few days. I suspect they have a buyer searching for a green GT4.
The only way I would sell is if I could replace it with a new GT3 or GT4. I do not expect that to happen!
sourcing a car for a buyer is no risk though so you can bid high as you are buying a car with a seller in place, some might do that for 3 or 4k as it's zero risk also the new buyer might pay £4k over the odds for a PTS car if they really want it.The only way I would sell is if I could replace it with a new GT3 or GT4. I do not expect that to happen!
look at the Viper Cayman R sale at £55k ! £10k over a mint white R.
No idea if JZM sold their viper green one or it was handed back, that went though a £5k price drop and never showed as sold in 4 or 5 months, it just vanished like most SOR cars do. IE. back with it's owner most likely.
I was close to buying it at the lower price myself, thought is was good value for a PTS car to mod the crap out of :-)
Porsche911R said:
So no big drops and no big rises, just a swing of £5k over the last 2 years it seems, but as we know the cycle, the next GT4 will see a lot more GT4's at OPC as part ex's that's a given, if the specs/engines right people will be trading in at quite low trade in's to secure cars over the next man. Only way for the normal none VIP none Macan buying punter to get a car will be deals on part ex GT4 at very favourable prices, that has a knock on effect on the resale price , ie offer the car in at £65k to secure the new one, OPC adds £10k and knocks it out for £75k for a quick sale in the rush and hype and a flood of cars.
Personally I don't see a problem with that and would be happy to do it if given the chance. Assuming a decent spec new GT4 would come to about £80K, the cost to change would be £15K + first year road fund tax. Sounds like a bargain to me. Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th August 09:11
Porsche911R said:
had a quick look at the OPC list
they are lower for sure , still over list but OPC cars start at £79k with 2 year warranty, so £78k trade bids sounds like fake news to me.
Don't slip back into your old ways...they are lower for sure , still over list but OPC cars start at £79k with 2 year warranty, so £78k trade bids sounds like fake news to me.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th August 09:11
My deal is against an expensive car and all part of a cost to change. It's not buying in at the price.
People, namely you, need to understand that every deal is different.
The cheapest car is £nearer £80k not 79k and thats a poor spec car. Min is a well spec'd car and would be on at £83 on forecourt.
If they're making 15k on the car I buy then all good for them!
Edited by Fokker on Wednesday 8th August 14:50
Fokker said:
Don't slip back into your old ways...
My deal is against an expensive car and all part of a cost to change. It's not buying in at the price.
People, namely you, need to understand that every deal is different.
nope people like me rat out fake news lolMy deal is against an expensive car and all part of a cost to change. It's not buying in at the price.
People, namely you, need to understand that every deal is different.
so we get to the bottom of the crazy bid, as I said fake news.....
dealer does not want to be seen giving you a 12% discount on your new car so have played with numbers to fix his books.
ie offer you more for yours and then can be seen only giving a 5% discount on the new one.
it's classic sales.
At least we got to the bottom of it, back to my ways = calling people out to back up their claims ;-) ie. yours was fake news as expected.
markets on its arse so there are big deals to be had at dealers, that does not mean your trade bid is £78k lol
Ask them for a buy out price and that's the real trade figure of a GT4.
carry on, I may upset people but the truth comes out.
looked good on a forum though upto then :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 8th August 15:52
I sold my GT4 to Chester OPC (Rybrook) as a straight cash sale back in November last year at what I was happy with (and strong money in November) for £86k. It was a high spec 2016 car in white with Clubsport, extended leather, PCCB etc etc. They were the highest bid on my car and it was easy as local to me and an OPC.
Also got them to agree to a LOI for next gen Spyder if spec is agreeable but not sure if they or I will see that through!
They advertised it for top top money at from memory £95,500, it sat there for 2 months and they sold it but I have no idea if any discount was given. Same car today would not sell for anywhere close to £95k in my opinion.
Also got them to agree to a LOI for next gen Spyder if spec is agreeable but not sure if they or I will see that through!
They advertised it for top top money at from memory £95,500, it sat there for 2 months and they sold it but I have no idea if any discount was given. Same car today would not sell for anywhere close to £95k in my opinion.
Porsche911R said:
nope people like me rat out fake news lol
so we get to the bottom of the crazy bid, as I said fake news.....
Ask them for a buy out price and that's the real trade figure of a GT4.
Got to say he's right on this one 100%, your trade in deal on a more expensive car does in no way equate to a trade offer of nearly 80k as you purported it to be.so we get to the bottom of the crazy bid, as I said fake news.....
Ask them for a buy out price and that's the real trade figure of a GT4.
chrisABP said:
They advertised it for top top money at from memory £95,500, it sat there for 2 months and they sold it but I have no idea if any discount was given. Same car today would not sell for anywhere close to £95k in my opinion.
In fact there isn't a single comparable car for sale in the OPC network with not a single PCCB car for sale! And the most expensive car at £89kBudflicker said:
Got to say he's right on this one 100%, your trade in deal on a more expensive car does in no way equate to a trade offer of nearly 80k as you purported it to be.
Yep but i am being offered 4k off the price of the car i am thinking of purchasing too. The 'discount' isn't entirely on the GT4's side.
There are good deal to be had if you look for them and push hard enough...
So 78k for mine and a discount in the car to be purchased.
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