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Fokker said:
The GT4 shift is definitely nicer... The clutch is also slightly too light on the GT3
Agree.The GT4 gearbox is perfect imo as is the clutch and weighting.
The 991.2 GT3 gearbox is slightly behind the GT4 but not by much. Agree the GT3 clutch is too light for the car.
The 981 Spyder gearbox runs a close third and the clutch has slightly less feel but in weighting is slightly lighter than the GT4 but heavier than the GT3.
How are you finding the Spyder?
Fokker said:
The GT4 shift is definitely nicer... The clutch is also slightly too light on the GT3
I have to disagree on both accounts ;-)o well, the GT3 shift is very slick imo and as I stated prob the GT4 part number ! nothing in it to make one better than the other imo,
Spyder one feels like a lost soul and not up there at all for the shift !
as for a light clutch that's the best result, the 997 GT clutches are rank, and for flat shifting you want quick clutch action, lighter the better.
GT3 must have a helper spring , if you want a stiff clutch disconnect it.
but for me lighter the better.
all personal I guess....
Porsche911R said:
I have to disagree on both accounts ;-)
o well, the GT3 shift is very slick imo and as I stated prob the GT4 part number ! nothing in it to make one better than the other imo,
Spyder one feels like a lost soul and not up there at all for the shift !
as for a light clutch that's the best result, the 997 GT clutches are rank, and for flat shifting you want quick clutch action, lighter the better.
GT3 must have a helper spring , if you want a stiff clutch disconnect it.
but for me lighter the better.
all personal I guess....
A lost soul?!o well, the GT3 shift is very slick imo and as I stated prob the GT4 part number ! nothing in it to make one better than the other imo,
Spyder one feels like a lost soul and not up there at all for the shift !
as for a light clutch that's the best result, the 997 GT clutches are rank, and for flat shifting you want quick clutch action, lighter the better.
GT3 must have a helper spring , if you want a stiff clutch disconnect it.
but for me lighter the better.
all personal I guess....
The GT4 and Spyder are identical. If anything, the Spyder is even nicer to use than the GT4 that I've just sold. Maybe you had a crap one?
The GT3 just feels less satisfying to play with and less positive.
Each to their own but I can assure you that with my 3 cars, that's my verdict. I'd love to say the GT3 is excellent but for me it feels like an afterthought in comparison to the GT4 / Spyder.
Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 16th October 18:13
Interested in comments on the GT4's gear shift. I have driven both black and yellow GT4s at PEC in the last few months and I would say the gear change on these individual cars is not great. Obstructive and almost agricultural is how I would describe the two I drove. Certainly the clutch had to go full depression to the firewall to help changes. Maybe a bit worn by now with each circa 17k miles.
On ride, I found the on-road ride to be 'jiggly' and uncomfortable with a lack of compliance (Dadford Road, Stowe, and around that area for 45 minutes) plus a tendency to follow tram lines. On track, there was understeer and a loose rear end under power out of Micky Mouse corners on their little circuit - nothing some aftermarket parts and a DSC box wouldn't fix I'm sure.
Maybe other factors came into play but to me the Yellow PCCB equipped car felt "lighter on its feet"
On ride, I found the on-road ride to be 'jiggly' and uncomfortable with a lack of compliance (Dadford Road, Stowe, and around that area for 45 minutes) plus a tendency to follow tram lines. On track, there was understeer and a loose rear end under power out of Micky Mouse corners on their little circuit - nothing some aftermarket parts and a DSC box wouldn't fix I'm sure.
Maybe other factors came into play but to me the Yellow PCCB equipped car felt "lighter on its feet"
Fokker said:
Its the Fokkers old car 
It's a good one and most of the miles done by me. I looked after it, has a 70% wrap and never had any issues.
Are you dealing with Chris Archer?
I put new Cup 2's on it not so long ago as well. Its a good car with no bad history or even warranty claims so feel free to make the purchase
I'm now in a 981 Spyder for a bit of a change.
Cheers
Dave
Great thanks, has it ventured on track?It's a good one and most of the miles done by me. I looked after it, has a 70% wrap and never had any issues.
Are you dealing with Chris Archer?
I put new Cup 2's on it not so long ago as well. Its a good car with no bad history or even warranty claims so feel free to make the purchase
I'm now in a 981 Spyder for a bit of a change.
Cheers
Dave
I'm dealing with Dan, just weighing up whether to go crazy with McLaren or go with this car.
_Superleggera_ said:
lemmingjames said:
McLaren
I’m not so sure that’s wise advice given the current Mclarens market. Unless you know something I don’t? A GT4 is much safer bet.If you intend to use the car on track… The McLaren will be much more expensive to run.
Guess it all depends on how much money you want to spend.
_Superleggera_ said:
I’m not so sure that’s wise advice given the current Mclarens market. Unless you know something I don’t? A GT4 is much safer bet.
Didn't realise vtecmatt was looking for a garage queen/worrying about future values when a macca is considered into the equation. I guess not everyone worries about depreciation or the 12c could be at it's lowest point already?
lemmingjames said:
Didn't realise vtecmatt was looking for a garage queen/worrying about future values when a macca is considered into the equation.
I guess not everyone worries about depreciation or the 12c could be at it's lowest point already?
It’s more the fact that it’s almost impossible to get a car looked quickly at if any issues arise and the lack of options for service centres. I guess not everyone worries about depreciation or the 12c could be at it's lowest point already?
This is before we even look at the running costs of a 12C for example which are very expensive compared to that of a cayman. (Warranty and service) The 12C’s can’t get much cheaper so depreciation isn’t really coming into the equation here.
Fokker said:
Maybe you had a crap one?
maybe you have a crap Gt3 ?who knows ;-)
as for Spyder vs GT4 it's not the same unit and the shift moves about a lot more in the 981 Spyder and is a longer throw.
The GT4 is a great shift, but no better than the Gt3 , the GT3 shift I would say has metal bushings and is far more positive and hence you can feel it vibrate if you rest your hand on it in gear. some cars seem to want to pull out of gear and vibrate too much reading a few on here due to being no slack what so ever in the workings, your might need adjusting. but it feels rifle bolt to me in my car.
Porsche911R said:
Fokker said:
Maybe you had a crap one?
maybe you have a crap Gt3 ?who knows ;-)
as for Spyder vs GT4 it's not the same unit and the shift moves about a lot more in the 981 Spyder and is a longer throw.
The GT4 is a great shift, but no better than the Gt3 , the GT3 shift I would say has metal bushings and is far more positive and hence you can feel it vibrate if you rest your hand on it in gear. some cars seem to want to pull out of gear and vibrate too much reading a few on here due to being no slack what so ever in the workings, your might need adjusting. but it feels rifle bolt to me in my car.
The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.
Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.
JayK12 said:
Porsche911R said:
Fokker said:
Maybe you had a crap one?
maybe you have a crap Gt3 ?who knows ;-)
as for Spyder vs GT4 it's not the same unit and the shift moves about a lot more in the 981 Spyder and is a longer throw.
The GT4 is a great shift, but no better than the Gt3 , the GT3 shift I would say has metal bushings and is far more positive and hence you can feel it vibrate if you rest your hand on it in gear. some cars seem to want to pull out of gear and vibrate too much reading a few on here due to being no slack what so ever in the workings, your might need adjusting. but it feels rifle bolt to me in my car.
The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.
Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.
However, I found the clutch weight slightly too heavy (as a daily) in both, but loved the Spyder so much that I didn’t care and used it every day.
I prefer the clutch weight in the GT3 as it’s marginally lighter but still heavier than most .
Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 17th October 15:31
JayK12 said:
What are you on about mate?
The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.
Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.
The DC5 had a nicer gear shift though didnt itThe shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.
Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.
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