12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[daro911]

JayK12 said:

What are you on about mate?

The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.

Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.

I think he is on about how hateful he finds the entire Spyder concept compared to the GT4

Enough people who are equally as knowledgeable as Porsche911R have often said to me if you want the better track car get a GT4 but if you want the better road car then its definitely the Spyder version every time

Personally I have zero desire for a tin top track orientated Porsche so the Spyder is the only one for my needs and unlike some I have no issues with the clutch or gear change feel or the sound track with PSE but for many the GT4 is their preferred choice and as both are fantastic pieces of kit when brand new and at list prices £ for £ either version it really doesn't get much better IMO

[chrisABP]

lemmingjames said:

JayK12 said:

What are you on about mate?

The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.

Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.

The DC5 had a nicer gear shift though didnt it

Arguably the DC5, the EP3 and certainly the S2000 did!

[JayK12]

chrisABP said:

lemmingjames said:

JayK12 said:

What are you on about mate?

The shifter unit which determines throw length, weight, feel etc is the same part number on the GT4, Spyder, 991.2 GT3. Part No is 981 424 010 20.

Check the parts catalouge if you dont believe. The GT4 and Spyder will feel identical when it comes to the shift feel, there will NO difference at all. The only difference with the GT3 might be the cable length to the gearbox being longer.

The DC5 had a nicer gear shift though didnt it

Arguably the DC5, the EP3 and certainly the S2000 did!

I miss my 5's, but I still prefer the GT4 shift. Saying that ABP setup my DC5 up along time ago! lol.

Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 17th October 11:04

[TDT]

IIRC from the launch videos, pretty sure there are some changed out Brass bits in the GT4 linkage so it’s not just the shifter by itself.
Anyway you’d have expected that learning to have made its way into later manual cars also.

[isaldiri]

lemmingjames said:

VTECMatt said:

I'm dealing with Dan, just weighing up whether to go crazy with McLaren or go with this car.

McLaren

The cars are so different that one is only an alternative for the other in terms of entry price (well only the 12c anyway). in terms of capability/driving experience and running costs obviously they are worlds apart and not at all comparable cars imo.

[lemmingjames]

JayK12 said:

I miss my 5's, but I still prefer the GT4 shift. Saying that ABP setup my DC5 up along time ago! lol.

Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 17th October 11:04

I think the 5 has a better shift than my '3, its just smoother and faster in the '5

[trowelhead]

LiamH66 said:

trowelhead said:

LiamH66 said:

Was it a Carrara White one with black wheels by any chance?

Liam

Yep!

I think that might be the one I'm getting about in. Nicely spec'd and looked after car, and I am thoroughly enjoying it. Really must find something else for when the salt goes down though.

Liam

Just seen your pics you posted on the other thread, yes that's the one! Just shows that well specced examples do not hang around too long in the OPC network!

Enjoy the car my friend

[Fokker]

daro911 said:

I think he is on about how hateful he finds the entire Spyder concept compared to the GT4

Enough people who are equally as knowledgeable as Porsche911R have often said to me if you want the better track car get a GT4 but if you want the better road car then its definitely the Spyder version every time

Personally I have zero desire for a tin top track orientated Porsche so the Spyder is the only one for my needs and unlike some I have no issues with the clutch or gear change feel or the sound track with PSE but for many the GT4 is their preferred choice and as both are fantastic pieces of kit when brand new and at list prices £ for £ either version it really doesn't get much better IMO

You're right there! lol

The shift on the GT4 and Spyder are identical to me. Same feel and throw. The Spyder could actually feel slightly tighter as its done 4000 miles and my GT4 10000 miles.

[JayK12]

Fokker said:

daro911 said:

I think he is on about how hateful he finds the entire Spyder concept compared to the GT4

Enough people who are equally as knowledgeable as Porsche911R have often said to me if you want the better track car get a GT4 but if you want the better road car then its definitely the Spyder version every time

Personally I have zero desire for a tin top track orientated Porsche so the Spyder is the only one for my needs and unlike some I have no issues with the clutch or gear change feel or the sound track with PSE but for many the GT4 is their preferred choice and as both are fantastic pieces of kit when brand new and at list prices £ for £ either version it really doesn't get much better IMO

You're right there! lol

The shift on the GT4 and Spyder are identical to me. Same feel and throw. The Spyder could actually feel slightly tighter as its done 4000 miles and my GT4 10000 miles.

Mileage wont really feel anything on the shifter mechanism as its a billet unit into plastic, and the cables are attached to solid plastic without having any perishable parts. G/b cables have rubbers holding them in and guides but again are solid units. Looks like a really nice robust unit.

Few pics of how it all looks.

[Fokker]

JayK12 said:

Mileage wont really feel anything on the shifter mechanism as its a billet unit into plastic, and the cables are attached to solid plastic without having any perishable parts. G/b cables have rubbers holding them in and guides but again are solid units. Looks like a really nice robust unit.

I came from a short stint in a 991.2 GTS manual 7 speed after selling the GT4. The Spyder is identical but the GTS wasn't the best. It was ok but in comparison to the 6 speed, noticeably less satisfying. .

[JayK12]

Fokker said:

JayK12 said:

Mileage wont really feel anything on the shifter mechanism as its a billet unit into plastic, and the cables are attached to solid plastic without having any perishable parts. G/b cables have rubbers holding them in and guides but again are solid units. Looks like a really nice robust unit.

I came from a short stint in a 991.2 GTS manual 7 speed after selling the GT4. The Spyder is identical but the GTS wasn't the best. It was ok but in comparison to the 6 speed, noticeably less satisfying. .

Yup its a different part than the Spyder, GT4, GT3, so that would explain it.

981 GT4/Spyder / 991.2 GT3 - 981 424 010 20
991. 2 GTS - 991 424 010 01

[LiamH66]

trowelhead said:

Just seen your pics you posted on the other thread, yes that's the one! Just shows that well specced examples do not hang around too long in the OPC network!

Enjoy the car my friend

It is an absolutely epic car, and I am loving it. Not sure I care how the gear shift compares to a GT3, which is a bit of a first world problem given what a well sorted car it is in general. I had no idea a road car could be this good. 718 was possibly a better daily in many ways, but I have zero regrets about changing. It brightens my days!

Liam

[WORRALL.]

VTECMatt said:

They are not budging on price, do you think that is a fair price for the car?

Have you managed to do a deal on this one? I went to look at it on Saturday and its a great car. Dan told me he's got another coming in this week but neither have Clubsport which im after

[Zingari]

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

[Geoff39GL]

Zingari said:

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

Don't see it ,
In my view it depends on the engine in the new car, if its a 4.0 the new car will be much more expensive and will command overs when it becomes available so I would expect the current GT4 to stay pretty much where prices are now, if its a turbo engine 4 or 6 cylinder the current car may even go up, only if its a 3.8 with power kit is it likely to drop and that will only be by a small amount there is no way it will fall off a cliff. All imo

[av185]

Zingari said:

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

Prices will soften slightly up to Christmas mainly due to the seasonal lull. There will be no crash.

718GT4 will have the 3.8 powerkitted engine not the 4.0 detuned GT3 or turbo. It will be around £73k list. The first flipped cars will be around £110k spec dependent.

Prices will climb into next year approaching Spring due to seasonal demand.

As ever if you find a car which is your perfect spec it will be cheaper this year rather than next.

[boxsey]

Zingari said:

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

Nobody has a crystal ball mate. Leave it 12 months and you might still be in the same dilemma about waiting another 12 months. You could easily miss out on 2 years of enjoyable driving. What will be will be. Life is too short for dithering.

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

Zingari said:

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

Prices will soften slightly up to Christmas mainly due to the seasonal lull. There will be no crash.

718GT4 will have the 3.8 powerkitted engine not the 4.0 detuned GT3 or turbo. It will be around £73k list. The first flipped cars will be around £110k spec dependent.

Prices will climb into next year approaching Spring due to seasonal demand.

As ever if you find a car which is your perfect spec it will be cheaper this year rather than next.

Av185

I’ve asked you this question before, but can’t remember you answering it? You keep telling people that the new 718 gt4 will have the old 3.8 engine and a power kit. How do you know this, do you have a contact in the factory or is it just your personal thoughts?

Personally I would be shocked if they install what is technically now an old engine into one of their new premium gt products.

It would make more sense for them to use the 4.0 as the engine is new technologically and already exists and tooling would be set up for this engine . They also have software already created for manual and pdk transmission for this engine hence why we keep hearing the possibility of pdk as well as manual.

Price wise the gt4 was designed to draw in new gt buyers to Porsche so it will be priced accordingly. Around 70k entry sounds about right.

[GT4RS]

boxsey said:

Zingari said:

I'm getting feedback from the trade that these cars are 'about to fall off a cliff' pricewise with trade bids under £70k. Not sure what the driver is whether supercar market in general with Brexit etc or inpact of new 718 GT4 when it hits the streets?

It's concerning me whether now is the right time to buy or I leave it 12 months?

Nobody has a crystal ball mate. Leave it 12 months and you might still be in the same dilemma about waiting another 12 months. You could easily miss out on 2 years of enjoyable driving. What will be will be. Life is too short for dithering.

It does appear that all Porsche gt cars are very slow sellers at the moment. The people in it for the money are starting to try and sell up. But should you let that drive your decision?

Look at it this way if you went out and bought any other new car it will deprecate over time. Why not treat this car purchase the same as any other car you may of bought in the past. It does appear times are changing for Porsche gt cars and the crazy pricing is showing signs of a correction, but being honest if you are buying the car as a Porsche enthusiasts who wants to drive it and enjoy it does it really matter if it falls in price, it’s a car to be enjoyed.

Ask yourself this question. Are you buying it because you have always lusted after a Porsche gt car or are you buying as certain media outlets / owners tell you they are great investments.

As boxsey wisely said, life is to short.

[av185]

GT4RS said:

Av185

I’ve asked you this question before, but can’t remember you answering it? You keep telling people that the new 718 gt4 will have the old 3.8 engine and a power kit. How do you know this, do you have a contact in the factory or is it just your personal thoughts?

A bit of both.

And the main problem with a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine is cost. You are not far off the mark at £70k I think it will be £73k ish so there is no way they will fit a bespoke if detuned engine at that sort of money and the Caysters have a maximum ceiling price too.

The other problem is the 911. Porsche won't want the GT4 stealing the 911s crown particularly having regard to the Caysters likely demise in the short to medium term so Porsche can concentrate solely on the 911 as their most profitable (excluding the 911 GTs) sportscar.

Doubtful there will be a PDK option for similar reasons....too threatening to the vanilla 911s performance wise.