12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
They appear to be holding there money better than a gt3 at the moment.
Porsche introduced the gt4 car to attract a new type of gt buyer to the brand, it was a real shame so many ended up in the hands of flippers. I guess it was due to being such a great package out the box at retail.
Porsche introduced the gt4 car to attract a new type of gt buyer to the brand, it was a real shame so many ended up in the hands of flippers. I guess it was due to being such a great package out the box at retail.
TDT said:
All of those look to still be above list - 3years on for the earliest cars. Not bad really.
Still need min £75K to get into one if 'spec' is important.
Just a solid car.... buy one and get out and drive it.
I'm actually looking for one as a daily driver., which translates to approx 3 x return journeys a month c10k pa. For local needs I've got another car when the wife isn't driving it. Still need min £75K to get into one if 'spec' is important.
Just a solid car.... buy one and get out and drive it.
They're mileage sensitive and, for me, I'm not paying over premium when I'm going to kill that off by using it. Hence I was looking at one that had depreciated due to what's on the clock. Sub £70k is where I want to be.
That said the bargain (if there's negotiation) is the private sale met blue car in the West Mids on PH. It ticks all the boxes and dealers must be bidding sub £70k or are not interested beacuse they can't move their own stock?
Armitage.Shanks said:
TDT said:
All of those look to still be above list - 3years on for the earliest cars. Not bad really.
Still need min £75K to get into one if 'spec' is important.
Just a solid car.... buy one and get out and drive it.
I'm actually looking for one as a daily driver., which translates to approx 3 x return journeys a month c10k pa. For local needs I've got another car when the wife isn't driving it. Still need min £75K to get into one if 'spec' is important.
Just a solid car.... buy one and get out and drive it.
They're mileage sensitive and, for me, I'm not paying over premium when I'm going to kill that off by using it. Hence I was looking at one that had depreciated due to what's on the clock. Sub £70k is where I want to be.
That said the bargain (if there's negotiation) is the private sale met blue car in the West Mids on PH. It ticks all the boxes and dealers must be bidding sub £70k or are not interested beacuse they can't move their own stock?
Shocked he hasn’t SOR the car. Its still priced to close to retail IMO, hence it still for sale. Looks to be a nice spec car.
Are people holding off due to the new 718 gt4 coming?
GT4RS said:
I spotted the met blue car, he’s tried to sell it for sometime privately. Dealers can’t be interested or they are kicking him in the nuts?
Shocked he hasn’t SOR the car. Its still priced to close to retail IMO, hence it still for sale. Looks to be a nice spec car.
Are people holding off due to the new 718 gt4 coming?
markets as bad as I can ever remember, limited GT buyers, no investment buyers and the new car out.Shocked he hasn’t SOR the car. Its still priced to close to retail IMO, hence it still for sale. Looks to be a nice spec car.
Are people holding off due to the new 718 gt4 coming?
if we add another 700 GT4 and 400 Spdyers (this might be more popular if it's a GT4 with brakes sus etc) to the UK in 4.0l form which will not be at overs due to a good supply, that's got to hit the GT4 in the region of £20k from todays prices.
Or if the 600 GT4 owners do OPC deals and have 1st dibs to get the new GT4 we then have 600 2nd hand GT4 for sale !
put it this way both those are OTT, but one can say a GT4 will be a lot cheaper tomorrow which ever way it happens, unless the new car has a turbo and we seemed to have all ruled that out.
Also it seems a T model will also come out in both models.
cars at overs ruin the market as time moves on, we are about to see a big GT4 correction imo it should in theory be a £55k car by now at best.
If cars are end of an era it does not effect prices, but if the news cars better in every way, only one thing can happen.
Porsche values have been great but just too many models to choose from now and not enough buyers.
People wanting to buy a GT4 at the moment who are hoping that the price will come down to £70K or below use funny maths. Just because there is one on the locator at £73,995 and one at £74,995, they get it into their mind that the current average price is £70K. Yet when you work out the average price of the current 20 cars on the locator it is actually £81,663! As Fokker points out above there 25 on the locator at the start of last month and the average was pretty much the same.
The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
boxsey said:
People wanting to buy a GT4 at the moment who are hoping that the price will come down to £70K or below use funny maths. Just because there is one on the locator at £73,995 and one at £74,995, they get it into their mind that the current average price is £70K. Yet when you work out the average price of the current 20 cars on the locator it is actually £81,663! As Fokker points out above there 25 on the locator at the start of last month and the average was pretty much the same.
The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
At the minute most would be happy with invoice price back lol some OPC are a bit stuck with their stock having paid too much.The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
a lot of the cars will be at £1 or £2k above what they paid ! Look at Fockers white GT4 !!!
The GT4 is going to drop just like the 991.1 RS dropped £125k when the new one came out and was better.
£69k trade bids are dreaming in todays market, hence the price of the private car but still with no takers..
I sold my Spyder in the summer for way less and the markets gone to s
t since then and its a far rarer car.buying overs is suicide now in these models , that Spyder cost me more than any of my other 73 cars ! I would never pay overs again, and I feel a lot of people will be like that now it seems.
we will see £65k GT4 imo sooner than later. but atm OPC's have an issue with over priced cars !
The new car will only be £69k I bet and not that hard to get, that will just kill the current GT4 price over night like it did with the 991.1 RS.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 14th December 10:01
Porsche911R said:
At the minute most would be happy with invoice price back lol some OPC are a bit stuck with their stock having paid too much.
a lot of the cars will be at £1 or £2k above what they paid ! Look at Fockers white GT4 !!!
The GT4 is going to drop just like the 991.1 RS dropped £125k when the new one came out and was better.
£69k trade bids are dreaming in todays market, hence the price of the private car but still with no takers..
I sold my Spyder in the summer for way less and the markets gone to st since then and its a far rarer car.
buying overs is suicide now in these models , that Spyder cost me more than any of my other 73 cars ! I would never pay overs again, and I feel a lot of people will be like that now it seems.
we will see £65k GT4 imo sooner than later. but atm OPC's have an issue with over priced cars !
The new car will only be £69k I bet and not that hard to get, that will just kill the current GT4 price over night like it did with the 991.1 RS.
I can see where you are coming from. When you owned one you talked the price up...I remember suggesting that the GT4 would be back to list when getting to 2 to 3 years old. You said no chance. You were right I was wrong. I realized that the prices would remain strong so bit the bullet and bought one. Now that you don't own one but have an eye on buying one cheap for a 'project', you try and talk the prices down. This time I am right and you are wrong. a lot of the cars will be at £1 or £2k above what they paid ! Look at Fockers white GT4 !!!
The GT4 is going to drop just like the 991.1 RS dropped £125k when the new one came out and was better.
£69k trade bids are dreaming in todays market, hence the price of the private car but still with no takers..
I sold my Spyder in the summer for way less and the markets gone to s
t since then and its a far rarer car.buying overs is suicide now in these models , that Spyder cost me more than any of my other 73 cars ! I would never pay overs again, and I feel a lot of people will be like that now it seems.
we will see £65k GT4 imo sooner than later. but atm OPC's have an issue with over priced cars !
The new car will only be £69k I bet and not that hard to get, that will just kill the current GT4 price over night like it did with the 991.1 RS.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 14th December 10:01
I think the next Gen will be under 70k or it should be .
981 Spyder was circa £60,500 and the Gt4 circa £65,000
If they start asking over 70k base price they will start loosing buyers in this middle area.price bracket.
Agree with some the above comments these two cars should not be selling for overs now they are not new and not in short supply or an older classic yet.
Only my opinion of course
981 Spyder was circa £60,500 and the Gt4 circa £65,000
If they start asking over 70k base price they will start loosing buyers in this middle area.price bracket.
Agree with some the above comments these two cars should not be selling for overs now they are not new and not in short supply or an older classic yet.
Only my opinion of course
Edited by tracydeedance on Friday 14th December 15:38
If the GT4 gets a 6 pot, I'm quite sure this will push the price up quite a bit. Considering that the previous model sold out, and quickly, they could increase the price with 10k if they wanted to and they would still get sold. If it came with a 4 pot I think it would come in under 70k.
boxsey said:
I can see where you are coming from. When you owned one you talked the price up...I remember suggesting that the GT4 would be back to list when getting to 2 to 3 years old. You said no chance. You were right I was wrong. I realized that the prices would remain strong so bit the bullet and bought one. Now that you don't own one but have an eye on buying one cheap for a 'project', you try and talk the prices down. This time I am right and you are wrong.
I sold my GT4 for £5k below list price also at £70k, the market price made no odds what I was doing.talking prices up or down has no effect on prices btw ;-) just opinions and guesses what they will do.
not fussed about a project, as no one buys cars today when they are cheaper tomorrow at the rate these are dropping, I have my name down on a new one and I think it will be £69k. So hence would not be buying an 4 year old used 10k miles one even at £65k.
Is what it is and will please a load of people I would say, just not owners who paid overs for them.
Porsche911R said:
I sold my GT4 for £5k below list price also at £70k, the market price made no odds what I was doing.
talking prices up or down has no effect on prices btw ;-) just opinions and guesses what they will do.
not fussed about a project, as no one buys cars today when they are cheaper tomorrow at the rate these are dropping, I have my name down on a new one and I think it will be £69k. So hence would not be buying an 4 year old used 10k miles one even at £65k.
Is what it is and will please a load of people I would say, just not owners who paid overs for them.
I don't know how many times I have to say this until you understand it but I (and others who bought one in the last year or so) do not begrudge paying overs (or more correctly, the market price). It was a hassle free and stress free purchase of a car I wanted to own and enjoy. talking prices up or down has no effect on prices btw ;-) just opinions and guesses what they will do.
not fussed about a project, as no one buys cars today when they are cheaper tomorrow at the rate these are dropping, I have my name down on a new one and I think it will be £69k. So hence would not be buying an 4 year old used 10k miles one even at £65k.
Is what it is and will please a load of people I would say, just not owners who paid overs for them.
I walked into the showroom, paid the going rate and drove it away. I accept it cost me the 10% margin as it left the showroom. I accept it might cost me at least 5% in depreciation each year I own it. It's just normal depreciation and I accept it. It's actually a lot better than the normal depreciation that buying a new performance Merc or BMW would have cost me (they would lose, what, the best part of 50% of 3 years?).
I could have waited for the mythical GT4 price that starts with a 6 but by then the car would be getting on for 5 years old and ready for its £10K refresh and me getting closer to retirement.
I did not have to lose money on the car I had to sell back to the OPC (or the flipping margin that you could have taken advantage of by not holding on to it for so long). I did not have to buy a spyder at overs that I did not want. And I did not have to take finance that I did not want. I did not have to suck up to any dealer principal to be allowed to buy the car.
Where we differ is that I buy a car to use and enjoy and regard the loss of capital as the cost of enjoyment, whereas you (even though I know that you use and enjoy it) always have your eye on it being free motoring and are always worrying about what it cost you. Speaking of which, you need to think about selling that GT3 soon because the flipping margin will soon be gone and you'll be in a nett loss situation because of what happened with the GT4, spyder and finance.
boxsey said:
I don't know how many times I have to say this until you understand it but I (and others who bought one in the last year or so) do not begrudge paying overs (or more correctly, the market price). It was a hassle free and stress free purchase of a car I wanted to own and enjoy.
I walked into the showroom, paid the going rate and drove it away. I accept it cost me the 10% margin as it left the showroom. I accept it might cost me at least 5% in depreciation each year I own it. It's just normal depreciation and I accept it. It's actually a lot better than the normal depreciation that buying a new performance Merc or BMW would have cost me (they would lose, what, the best part of 50% of 3 years?).
I could have waited for the mythical GT4 price that starts with a 6 but by then the car would be getting on for 5 years old and ready for its £10K refresh and me getting closer to retirement.
I did not have to lose money on the car I had to sell back to the OPC (or the flipping margin that you could have taken advantage of by not holding on to it for so long). I did not have to buy a spyder at overs that I did not want. And I did not have to take finance that I did not want. I did not have to suck up to any dealer principal to be allowed to buy the car.
Where we differ is that I buy a car to use and enjoy and regard the loss of capital as the cost of enjoyment, whereas you (even though I know that you use and enjoy it) always have your eye on it being free motoring and are always worrying about what it cost you. Speaking of which, you need to think about selling that GT3 soon because the flipping margin will soon be gone and you'll be in a nett loss situation because of what happened with the GT4, spyder and finance.
I walked into the showroom, paid the going rate and drove it away. I accept it cost me the 10% margin as it left the showroom. I accept it might cost me at least 5% in depreciation each year I own it. It's just normal depreciation and I accept it. It's actually a lot better than the normal depreciation that buying a new performance Merc or BMW would have cost me (they would lose, what, the best part of 50% of 3 years?).
I could have waited for the mythical GT4 price that starts with a 6 but by then the car would be getting on for 5 years old and ready for its £10K refresh and me getting closer to retirement.
I did not have to lose money on the car I had to sell back to the OPC (or the flipping margin that you could have taken advantage of by not holding on to it for so long). I did not have to buy a spyder at overs that I did not want. And I did not have to take finance that I did not want. I did not have to suck up to any dealer principal to be allowed to buy the car.
Where we differ is that I buy a car to use and enjoy and regard the loss of capital as the cost of enjoyment, whereas you (even though I know that you use and enjoy it) always have your eye on it being free motoring and are always worrying about what it cost you. Speaking of which, you need to think about selling that GT3 soon because the flipping margin will soon be gone and you'll be in a nett loss situation because of what happened with the GT4, spyder and finance.
boxsey said:
People wanting to buy a GT4 at the moment who are hoping that the price will come down to £70K or below use funny maths. Just because there is one on the locator at £73,995 and one at £74,995, they get it into their mind that the current average price is £70K. Yet when you work out the average price of the current 20 cars on the locator it is actually £81,663! As Fokker points out above there 25 on the locator at the start of last month and the average was pretty much the same.
The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
I am not so sure you right on that. The few dealers I have spoken to on GT4's and 991.2 T seem to be gagging for a sale and would even through their wife in if we complete a deal this year. The only way anyone is going to get one for close to £70K is to buy direct from an owner. And that's not easy to do because when owners are given the choice of selling privately, for say £72K or selling to an OPC for say £69K they will often choose the latter 'safer' option (and put themselves in the OPC good books at the same time). And those potential buyers that think that they can walk into an OPC and get a few K knocked off the asking price of a GT4 because they think the OPC is desperate to sell them, go and try it and see what response you get. Probably not the one you were hoping for!
In fact I think the reverse could be true, you may be surprised just how low they will in fact go.....
boxsey said:
I don't know how many times I have to say this until you understand it but I (and others who bought one in the last year or so) do not begrudge paying overs (or more correctly, the market price). It was a hassle free and stress free purchase of a car I wanted to own and enjoy.
I walked into the showroom, paid the going rate and drove it away. I accept it cost me the 10% margin as it left the showroom. I accept it might cost me at least 5% in depreciation each year I own it. It's just normal depreciation and I accept it. It's actually a lot better than the normal depreciation that buying a new performance Merc or BMW would have cost me (they would lose, what, the best part of 50% of 3 years?).
I could have waited for the mythical GT4 price that starts with a 6 but by then the car would be getting on for 5 years old and ready for its £10K refresh and me getting closer to retirement.
I did not have to lose money on the car I had to sell back to the OPC (or the flipping margin that you could have taken advantage of by not holding on to it for so long). I did not have to buy a spyder at overs that I did not want. And I did not have to take finance that I did not want. I did not have to suck up to any dealer principal to be allowed to buy the car.
Where we differ is that I buy a car to use and enjoy and regard the loss of capital as the cost of enjoyment, whereas you (even though I know that you use and enjoy it) always have your eye on it being free motoring and are always worrying about what it cost you. Speaking of which, you need to think about selling that GT3 soon because the flipping margin will soon be gone and you'll be in a nett loss situation because of what happened with the GT4, spyder and finance.
we don't differ at all, we both own cars we use and we both have made no money, :-)I walked into the showroom, paid the going rate and drove it away. I accept it cost me the 10% margin as it left the showroom. I accept it might cost me at least 5% in depreciation each year I own it. It's just normal depreciation and I accept it. It's actually a lot better than the normal depreciation that buying a new performance Merc or BMW would have cost me (they would lose, what, the best part of 50% of 3 years?).
I could have waited for the mythical GT4 price that starts with a 6 but by then the car would be getting on for 5 years old and ready for its £10K refresh and me getting closer to retirement.
I did not have to lose money on the car I had to sell back to the OPC (or the flipping margin that you could have taken advantage of by not holding on to it for so long). I did not have to buy a spyder at overs that I did not want. And I did not have to take finance that I did not want. I did not have to suck up to any dealer principal to be allowed to buy the car.
Where we differ is that I buy a car to use and enjoy and regard the loss of capital as the cost of enjoyment, whereas you (even though I know that you use and enjoy it) always have your eye on it being free motoring and are always worrying about what it cost you. Speaking of which, you need to think about selling that GT3 soon because the flipping margin will soon be gone and you'll be in a nett loss situation because of what happened with the GT4, spyder and finance.
what I am saying today does not effect what you did 12 months ago, it's about paying BIG overs for a GT4 today over winter and I think that's a bit of a risk too far atm when you could quite easy be in a new GT4 by June at list to your own spec.
diffstar said:
I am not so sure you right on that. The few dealers I have spoken to on GT4's and 991.2 T seem to be gagging for a sale and would even through their wife in if we complete a deal this year.
In fact I think the reverse could be true, you may be surprised just how low they will in fact go.....
They will goto their invoice price to move the risk out the showroom asap.In fact I think the reverse could be true, you may be surprised just how low they will in fact go.....
this markets gone, Porsche are now building cars again and taking orders on 992 and Macans, some thing they could not do the last 4 months.
I would say dealers would be over the moon to get invoice price back on any GT stock they have sitting about for 4 months.
General return to a buyers market is good news to people that buy the cars to use them and know that cars are depreciating goods in the main.
Porsche just need to fix the new car market now by just building one for everyone that wants one instead of ‘limiting’ production. Will finally kill flipping and silly overs market.
Porsche just need to fix the new car market now by just building one for everyone that wants one instead of ‘limiting’ production. Will finally kill flipping and silly overs market.
Edited by TDT on Friday 14th December 19:09
Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff