12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[fridaypassion]

boxsey said:

You're doing a great job at convincing yourself not to buy one. Keep up the good work.

He is right though.

It will be interesting to see what the overs market is like on the new one as the 991.2 GT3 Half-Life was pretty short.

I would have thought they would throw 450bhp at the new gt4 so to see the motorsport with only 425 I wonder if it will be enough to create a stir? The first gt4 had the advantage of being the first Cayman GT so this next update is not going to have as much hype around it. Also now we know the pretty large production numbers it should keep things pretty calm.

Maybe more genuine buyers will have access this time round. I doubt it somehow but there's a chance it could be the most sensible GT release for a few years as any type of overs market feels like a gamble I the current economic climate.

[av185]

fridaypassion said:

Also now we know the pretty large production numbers it should keep things pretty calm.

There has been no confirmation of numbers.

Likely only a few more than the c600 981 GT4.

Still relatively low in the grand scheme of things.

First flipped cars anticipated to be c£110k both Spyder and Coupe. Sounds about right.

[RSVP911]

av185 said:

fridaypassion said:

Also now we know the pretty large production numbers it should keep things pretty calm.

There has been no confirmation of numbers.

Likely only a few more than the c600 981 GT4.

Still relatively low in the grand scheme of things.

First flipped cars anticipated to be c£110k both Spyder and Coupe. Sounds about right.

Morning - Honestly , the world has changed anyone buying one at this level needs their head looking at !!

[Porsche911R]

yep cannot see overs on the new car when you can remap the old one to the same level.
Porsche have not moved the game on much so I guess most people who want a GT4 have one which will only make prices drop as people part ex the old models for the new ones.

Any one who bought at list and did 15k has had a great run.

[boxsey]

fridaypassion said:

He is right though.

It will be interesting to see what the overs market is like on the new one as the 991.2 GT3 Half-Life was pretty short.

I would have thought they would throw 450bhp at the new gt4 so to see the motorsport with only 425 I wonder if it will be enough to create a stir? The first gt4 had the advantage of being the first Cayman GT so this next update is not going to have as much hype around it. Also now we know the pretty large production numbers it should keep things pretty calm.

Maybe more genuine buyers will have access this time round. I doubt it somehow but there's a chance it could be the most sensible GT release for a few years as any type of overs market feels like a gamble I the current economic climate.

Of course he is right. The longer he waits the less it will cost to get in one. Who would of thunk it that once the frenzy of a new model has passed and the flippers have gone that the price of used cars goes down as they get older.

And as for the calming effect of the new one when ever it arrives, bear in mind that Porsche have hiked the price of the just announced race car by £35K. So we can expect a significant hike in the price of the new road car. Although it is unlikely to be by the same amount, an optioned up GT4 road car could be getting close to £90K this time around plus the extortionate VED charges they will be liable for in years 1 to 5. It's not going to be cheaper than a used one.

Contrary to popular belief there were plenty of genuine buyers of the first GT4. Although I didn't get mine new (I didn't try for one) I have three friends who bought theirs new. None of them are 'preferred OPC customers' and all of them still own them and use them.

[Fokker]

I had my GT4 with no buying history at all from the OPC.
I promised and did buy a few more cars after that though which was the agreement although very much just a trust one which was refreshing.

[JayK12]

Porsche911R said:

yep cannot see overs on the new car when you can remap the old one to the same level.
Porsche have not moved the game on much so I guess most people who want a GT4 have one which will only make prices drop as people part ex the old models for the new ones.

Any one who bought at list and did 15k has had a great run.

Thought you only spoke facts mate? Saying you can remap the old one to get the same power output is complete ste and you know that.

[IMI A]

RSVP911 said:

av185 said:

fridaypassion said:

Also now we know the pretty large production numbers it should keep things pretty calm.

There has been no confirmation of numbers.

Likely only a few more than the c600 981 GT4.

Still relatively low in the grand scheme of things.

First flipped cars anticipated to be c£110k both Spyder and Coupe. Sounds about right.

Morning - Honestly , the world has changed anyone buying one at this level needs their head looking at !!

As a drive even at £110k I doubt there will be any sports car out there that drives better. Found it harder to walk past current GT4 than 997 GT3 recently when looking for a weekend fun car around £80-£100k which could do the odd track day. Went for an old banger air cooled in the end primarily because new GT4 round the corner. First few months I think there may still be an overs market for 718 GT4 even if the world has changed. Its the sort of fun car you buy even if you're not looking for a car. I'd certainly have one if offered a car at list by OPC - may even move on from the venerable 911 if I can get my mits on one as no longer need rear seats

[IMI A]

JayK12 said:

Porsche911R said:

yep cannot see overs on the new car when you can remap the old one to the same level.
Porsche have not moved the game on much so I guess most people who want a GT4 have one which will only make prices drop as people part ex the old models for the new ones.

Any one who bought at list and did 15k has had a great run.

Thought you only spoke facts mate? Saying you can remap the old one to get the same power output is complete ste and you know that.

Agree. The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

[Fokker]

There will always be plenty of people with money prepared to pay over list.
It'll be the same this time around although as has been said, might not last quite as long and overs percentage increase smaller especially with the GT3 prices falling as they have / are.

[JayK12]

IMI A said:

JayK12 said:

Porsche911R said:

yep cannot see overs on the new car when you can remap the old one to the same level.
Porsche have not moved the game on much so I guess most people who want a GT4 have one which will only make prices drop as people part ex the old models for the new ones.

Any one who bought at list and did 15k has had a great run.

Thought you only spoke facts mate? Saying you can remap the old one to get the same power output is complete ste and you know that.

Agree. The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

No it doesn't. The GT4 Clubsport car released yesterday has a 3.8 still just with a few minor changes to aid airflow but will rev limit at 7800rpm. Unsure where you've got your info from. The old engine didn't run out of puff at 5000rpm either, have you driven on? Peak power was at around 7300rpm i think.

To get the 981 GT4 to 425hp you need to spend circa £6000, change manifolds, exhaust, intake, filters, map.

[Porsche911R]

JayK12 said:

Thought you only spoke facts mate? Saying you can remap the old one to get the same power output is complete ste and you know that.

a few bolt on gets you 435BHP with zero engine work, a remap gets you 410bhp with a cobb access port.

most of the power comes from not having 4 600 cell cats in the race car not the 82mmTB.

So keep the standard TB and intakes etc and just change the exhaust and remap yep you get 425bhp with NO ENGINE MODS what so ever.
So not ste at all is it ?

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 4th January 10:31

[IMI A]

JayK12 said:

IMI A said:

JayK12 said:

Porsche911R said:

yep cannot see overs on the new car when you can remap the old one to the same level.
Porsche have not moved the game on much so I guess most people who want a GT4 have one which will only make prices drop as people part ex the old models for the new ones.

Any one who bought at list and did 15k has had a great run.

Thought you only spoke facts mate? Saying you can remap the old one to get the same power output is complete ste and you know that.

Agree. The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

No it doesn't. The GT4 Clubsport car released yesterday has a 3.8 still just with a few minor changes to aid airflow but will rev limit at 7800rpm. Unsure where you've got your info from. The old engine didn't run out of puff at 5000rpm either, have you driven on? Peak power was at around 7300rpm i think.

To get the 981 GT4 to 425hp you need to spend circa £6000, change manifolds, exhaust, intake, filters, map.

Nope all hearsay there were owners complaining of flat sports around 5000rpm? Also I accept only rumours that it was getting a 3.8 version of the new 4.0 in GT3 so very disappointed if this not the case?

[Porsche911R]

IMI A said:

The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

lol quote of the day so far, painful to read.

[IMI A]

Porsche911R said:

IMI A said:

The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

lol quote of the day so far, painful to read.

Why painful? Does anyone actually know for sure what lump the new GT4 is getting? Do you know 100%?

[TDT]

IMI A said:

Porsche911R said:

IMI A said:

The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

lol quote of the day so far, painful to read.

Why painful? Does anyone actually know for sure what lump the new GT4 is getting? Do you know 100%?

The race teams on RL have confirmed - it is the previous lump - upgraded with some x51 parts.... 'Integrated Dry sump'..which is their baffled wet sump as used in all the cooking models.

Running x51 intake cams - so optimised for breathing higher up the rev range, and they have remap so that peak power is delivered right near the top...pulling all the way.... typical PowerKit job.

[Fokker]

There is a slight hesitation at about 5300 revs but once past that, it revs out ok to about 7k.
New one with better throttle bodies an intake should be better hopefully in this respect.
420hp (425PS) is great I think especially if it revs more freely right through the range.

It'll be expensive and might not sound as good as the 981 though. 981 is still very good car

Adding Cobb access port or any fiddling / flashing the ECU will be picked up by the OPC and you'll never get a Porsche warranty on the car again.
As a result, it has to be a keeper and you'll need to tell the buyer if you sell it privately. You'll never sell it through the OPC network again.
Its a big risk when you've just spent 80k odd on a car imo.

[Fokker]

TDT said:

The race teams on RL have confirmed - it is the previous lump - upgraded with some x51 parts.... 'Integrated Dry sump'..which is their baffled wet sump as used in all the cooking models.

Running x51 intake cams - so optimised for breathing higher up the rev range, and they have remap so that peak power is delivered right near the top...pulling all the way.... typical PowerKit job.

Just as the doctor ordered really. Can't wait to sample it

[Porsche911R]

TDT said:

The race teams on RL have confirmed - it is the previous lump - upgraded with some x51 parts.... 'Integrated Dry sump'..which is their baffled wet sump as used in all the cooking models.

Running x51 intake cams - so optimised for breathing higher up the rev range, and they have remap so that peak power is delivered right near the top...pulling all the way.... typical PowerKit job.

the new car revs to 7800 and makes peak bhp at 7500 only 100rpm more than the last car.

most of the power will come from the 100 cel cats used and a remap, and has nothing to do with the TB which just helps midrange dead spot , the 82MM TB does not add to the max bhp the 78mm units flows enough at peak revs.

the engine pretty much the same unit with a remap and no big cel cats.

bit disappointing imo as it's not matching the 991.1 GTS x51 unit which is 430HP and has all the 600 cell road cats.

As I stated a remap on a 981 GT4 and change the manifolds you get 425BHP any way with an all OEM engine.

people seem to be hung up on the 82MM TB and intake like it's some magic wow part.

A tricked out x51 3.8 with race cats should be circa 450BHP.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 4th January 10:56

[IMI A]

TDT said:

IMI A said:

Porsche911R said:

IMI A said:

The new GT4 has a motorsport derived engine revving out to 8.5-9k rpm. The old GT4 has a cooking Carrera S engine that runs out of top end puff at 5000 rpm. Very different

lol quote of the day so far, painful to read.

Why painful? Does anyone actually know for sure what lump the new GT4 is getting? Do you know 100%?

The race teams on RL have confirmed - it is the previous lump - upgraded with some x51 parts.... 'Integrated Dry sump'..which is their baffled wet sump as used in all the cooking models.

Running x51 intake cams - so optimised for breathing higher up the rev range, and they have remap so that peak power is delivered right near the top...pulling all the way.... typical PowerKit job.

I"m sure I watched a vid on old GT4 where Andreas Preuniger said the X51 parts don't fit or am I imagining this?!

Porsche still keeping the most sporty lump it makes out of the most sporty chassis so it seems. I suppose for a road car that visits the track only occasionally the cooking 3.8 lump better in most situations but still a tad disappointed it didnt get motorsport derived version.