12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Perfectly put! I am a fan of buckets (had them in my 964 and Cayman R) but bought my GT4 with sports plus comforts (not even 18 way). The reason...it was about £6K less than an equivalent spec GT4 with buckets. And I've been very happy with them on both road and track. Those that say there are no buyers for comfort seat GT4s are talking nonsense.boxsey said:
Those that say there are no buyers for comfort seat GT4s are talking nonsense.
Indeed.I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
D.no said:
boxsey said:
Those that say there are no buyers for comfort seat GT4s are talking nonsense.
Indeed.I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
There is no wrong spec. You buy what you want.. for whatever reason, budget, availability, usage purpose.
The 'market' will have a value on this and it is what it is. Right now the 'market' say Comfort cars are 'less valued' or should be priced less than bucketed cars... that great news for people that want to buy a car with comfort seats. That's it.
D.no said:
boxsey said:
Those that say there are no buyers for comfort seat GT4s are talking nonsense.
Indeed.I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
D.no said:
Indeed.
I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
folding buckets are much softer to sit on than comforts so better for longer trips. :-)I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
Porsche911R said:
D.no said:
Indeed.
I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
folding buckets are much softer to sit on than comforts so better for longer trips. :-)I find it strange that "comfort" has become a less desirable attribute for a seat
Presumably a number of cars were originally ordered with comfort seats as a preferred choice, and it didn't happen by some bizarre accident. Some people (myself included) would rather have sofas than buckets on a road car.
If that puts me in the minority, I would expect production/sales numbers to reflect this. However, taking the 997.1 GT3 as an example I believe there were fewer bucket-equipped cars than those sold with sport seats. "Comforts" were the preferred seat. It would be interesting to see the mix for other GT products. I would suggest a strong reason for the apparent popularity of buckets in the used car market today (997 in particular) has less to do with the actual usability, practicality, or function of the seat, and more to do with initial sales volumes now driving current dealer-fed hype and values (and therefore desirability).
I think the carbon-backed buckets are things of beauty by the way. I would just prefer not to be confined to one all the way to the Alps..
jcosh said:
Hahahaha, nonsense.
Why? the foam padding on the bucket is 4" thick and very soft on the bum I can do 11 hours in them.in my comfort car the seat bases are pretty hard they give me numb bum after 2 to 3 hours.
it is what it is, but it's another forum funny line where people think bucket seats are harder when in fact they are softer to sit on.
Just one of those miss comments which is bulls
t but every one says it as an excuse to own comforts. ODD really as most people who say it, don't own buckets or have even sat in them I would say.TDT said:
It's down to personal preference guys... some think cushy is more comfortable. Some think more support is more comfortable.
Different things for different body types and individual taste - and how your mother held you as a baby!!
Like hard and soft mattresses - neither is wrong.
true but a hard mattress is still a hard mattresses and soft mattress is soft that's a fact.Different things for different body types and individual taste - and how your mother held you as a baby!!
Like hard and soft mattresses - neither is wrong.
A Folding bucket seat is soft, a comfort seat is hard, BACKWARDS to what every one thinks who say they want comfort seats on forums., that's also a fact ;-)
the only harder ones are the super fixed buckets like in the Cgt and we see then in some 997GT3's and they cost £20k they are much a tighter fit and much harder to sit on.
my only discomfort from the 918 style was they are far to upright for me, even more so than a Recaro pole or a race driver sits, that seat is a stupid design as people buy them with CS pack then you cannot wear a helmet very well with that head rest !! hence all the after market fixes for the 918 style.
996/997 gt3s with buckets were rare and that is why they are deemed as being more desirable used ,with the 991.1 gt3 buckets were still not popular and were therefore rarer and again are hyped as being more desirable .
The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
It’s like manuals with gallardo and f430s ,no one wanted them so they ended up rarer and this became more sought after.
No idea what the spread is on gt4s the rarer spec will retain the most value and possibly sell quicker .
The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
It’s like manuals with gallardo and f430s ,no one wanted them so they ended up rarer and this became more sought after.
No idea what the spread is on gt4s the rarer spec will retain the most value and possibly sell quicker .
Agree that the comfort seats are LESS comfortable basically because depending on your actual body shape you sit ON the seat rather than IN the seat and at the same time disdvantaged by being less connected with the car.
If I drive a comfort seat car such as my 911 T, after a few hours my arse is aching big time.
Not good.
In contrast I have the folding buckets on my 981 Spyder which are way more comfortable basically because the squab supports your sides and takes weight off your bum. My only problem with these is they are positioned higher than the Spyder buckets and there is no height adjustment. Also they now look rather dated.
My personal preference however are the Spyder buckets in the 991.2 GT3 and GT4 as I prefer the lower driving position. And they look really cool too complimenting the carbon interior trim which of course is essential.
If I drive a comfort seat car such as my 911 T, after a few hours my arse is aching big time.
Not good.In contrast I have the folding buckets on my 981 Spyder which are way more comfortable basically because the squab supports your sides and takes weight off your bum. My only problem with these is they are positioned higher than the Spyder buckets and there is no height adjustment. Also they now look rather dated.
My personal preference however are the Spyder buckets in the 991.2 GT3 and GT4 as I prefer the lower driving position. And they look really cool too complimenting the carbon interior trim which of course is essential.
Porsche911R said:
jcosh said:
Hahahaha, nonsense.
Why? the foam padding on the bucket is 4" thick and very soft on the bum I can do 11 hours in them.in my comfort car the seat bases are pretty hard they give me numb bum after 2 to 3 hours.
it is what it is, but it's another forum funny line where people think bucket seats are harder when in fact they are softer to sit on.
Just one of those miss comments which is bulls
t but every one says it as an excuse to own comforts. ODD really as most people who say it, don't own buckets or have even sat in them I would say.franki68 said:
996/997 gt3s with buckets were rare and that is why they are deemed as being more desirable used ,with the 991.1 gt3 buckets were still not popular and were therefore rarer and again are hyped as being more desirable .
The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
sadly I cannot agree with any of that :-) as comfort seated cars are pretty much lemons to sell.The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
Porsche911R said:
my only discomfort from the 918 style was they are far to upright for me, even more so than a Recaro pole or a race driver sits, that seat is a stupid design as people buy them with CS pack then you cannot wear a helmet very well with that head rest !! hence all the after market fixes for the 918 style.
I have the 918 Buckets on both my GT3 and 981 Spyder and have no issues at all with them regarding being too upright..I have used both cars on track wearing my helmet and so issues whatsoever, however i accept its purely personal..I'm lucky that even at 53 i have an iron strong core from doing regular pressups, V-ups crunches and pullups for 38 years, in fact even nowadays i still do 240 V-ups six days a week and extended side planks..You really need to start whipping yourself into shape Mr D to improve your core strength which will drastically improve your posture.Drop and give me 20 you measly worm.;)
Porsche911R said:
I find the data to be the reverse so, that's that ;-)
there are 27 gen 2 gt3 cars on sale on Ph ,21 have buckets ,6 have 'comforts' ,I would say based on that more buckets were sold ,and when I last looked a few months ago there were 2 comfort seats for sale and both sold within 10 days of appearing on PH .And nor is there a price premium for clubsports,manuals etc ,several of the cheapest cars are clubsport manuals at opc's with low mileage, this suggests that the mythology does not stand up to scrutiny,if comfort seats were lemons they would be much cheaper,they aren't.
Anyway this is thread hijacking,I am not sure the gt3 market and the gt4 market are the same.
Porsche911R said:
franki68 said:
996/997 gt3s with buckets were rare and that is why they are deemed as being more desirable used ,with the 991.1 gt3 buckets were still not popular and were therefore rarer and again are hyped as being more desirable .
The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
sadly I cannot agree with any of that :-) as comfort seated cars are pretty much lemons to sell.The 991.2gt3 everyone went buckets and so normal seats are much rarer and seem to sell very quickly .
Porsche911R said:
jcosh said:
Doesn't she bang on!
I don't like mis truths esp on forums where people copy the same line and then it's a thing when it's not.CGT /997 are not harder than 918 seats I’ve done 70k miles in the CGT types I suspect you sat in one for five minutes and came to your ‘empirical’ conclusion.
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