12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
GT4P said:
Personally can't see the need to spec. a Gts to £80k+ , circa £80k gets a nice spec new GT4 . £70k gets a decent spec. 718gts which is only circa £10-12k more than when a 987CR was new in 2011. Ok £70k gets a 981gt4 but that's now a 4 year old car so I think I would prefer a new Gts over a 981gt4. Then I suppose at £70k you could throw a 911T in to the mix (that's the only 991 (bar gt3) I would be interested in. At least there is now actual choice in the porsche market which I feel hasn't been there since the 9x7.2
Spec gets you if you go mad, but the main items to match a £25k hot hatch do add up.I never add tat options but my Spec came to £78.5k (green) for the basics. My GT4 was £74k (free colour), 718 GT4 £88k, So £10k more than a GTS.
I would not touch any T model with a barge pole, those are pure marketing cars imho.
TDT said:
People see HP/TQ and that’s the end of the story.
Granted you get a new car vs old car, so new car warranty, But that’s about it.
the ESC and electrics and brakes also played a big part in the GT4 car from the 991 RS modelGranted you get a new car vs old car, so new car warranty, But that’s about it.
the 981 Spyder ESC was dire from the GTS !!!
as yet we are unsure what the GTS has ESC wise and EPS wise.
the engines amoot point being detuned and torque limited imo over the 3.8, so yes the 4.0 is just a figure now.
we all know and so do the RACE DEPT that the 3.8 X50 lump was the engine to have.
a tuned 3.8 GT4 is the way to go imo once they drop a bit more.
Porsche911R said:
I would not touch any T model with a barge pole, those are pure marketing cars imho.
Drive a 991 back to back with a standard Carrera. In the nicest possible way, you’re wrong. Save that, to greater or lesser extent, all trim levels are pure marketing...Can’t speak for the Boxster / Cayman versions though as I haven’t driven one.
TDT said:
Porsche911R said:
in what way ?
less noise, more weight, no adjustable sus, more money !
People see HP/TQ and that’s the end of the story. less noise, more weight, no adjustable sus, more money !
Granted you get a new car vs old car, so new car warranty, But that’s about it.
Previously there's been a sufficiently large gap between a GTS and GT4 to comfortably warrant the extra spend. That gap has now been significantly narrowed and I think it is now a lot harder to look past a brand new 4.0 GTS (with a derivative of THAT engine) built to your own spec with a new warranty at c £75k when considering a 4 year old GT4 at £65k.
Obviously for those who will spend their time at the track or fettling with the suspension, then the GT4 remains the obvious choice. I can't see how this will have anything but a downward pressure on GT4 prices particularly, as was pointed out on the previous page, as they are hanging about at £65k.
ben5575 said:
Porsche911R said:
a tuned 3.8 GT4 is the way to go imo once they drop a bit more.
And from a personal perspective I agree with this 100%.rob.kellock said:
Porsche911R said:
I would not touch any T model with a barge pole, those are pure marketing cars imho.
Drive a 991 back to back with a standard Carrera. In the nicest possible way, you’re wrong. Save that, to greater or lesser extent, all trim levels are pure marketing...Great package at the money and underrated.
Potential future classic for sure esp with the low build numbers.
bcr5784 said:
ben5575 said:
Porsche911R said:
a tuned 3.8 GT4 is the way to go imo once they drop a bit more.
And from a personal perspective I agree with this 100%.Porsche911R said:
the ESC and electrics and brakes also played a big part in the GT4 car from the 991 RS model
the 981 Spyder ESC was dire from the GTS !!!M
Not sure I get what you mean here. You can’t carry over an ESC tune from something like a GT3 to a GT4. You may be able to copy a reasonable amount from a GTS, but regardless, Bosch Engineering calibrate all the GT cars where as Bosch Chassis do the core vehicles.the 981 Spyder ESC was dire from the GTS !!!M
av185 said:
rob.kellock said:
Porsche911R said:
I would not touch any T model with a barge pole, those are pure marketing cars imho.
Drive a 991 back to back with a standard Carrera. In the nicest possible way, you’re wrong. Save that, to greater or lesser extent, all trim levels are pure marketing...Great package at the money and underrated.
Potential future classic for sure esp with the low build numbers.
BubblesNW said:
Mods will only kill resale if you don’t put it back to standard before you sell it and sell on the mods. Then it makes a lot of sense to me, but I may be a little biased.
True but you could get an V10 R8 still under 3 years old for that money. OR for the more adventurous a McLaren 12C or 570S. Given that Thorney Motorsport are on my doorstep, I am probably a bit biased too.Dan911 said:
So what mods are full reversible?
Everything.People are buying modded cars all the time without knowing.
You just don’t know what you are buying if 2nd hand even from an OPC.
The 111 check is totally worthless, they love to look at tyres and battery etc, google the 111 check list, it’s a joke.
Porsche911R said:
Everything.
People are buying modded cars all the time without knowing.
You just don’t know what you are buying if 2nd hand even from an OPC.
The 111 check is totally worthless, they love to look at tyres and battery etc, google the 111 check list, it’s a joke.
Agree the 111 is a joke - but not for this reason - having just gone through the pain on my 997.2 GTS. It’s now basically an operation to find and make you replace any non OEM part to drive workshop work.People are buying modded cars all the time without knowing.
You just don’t know what you are buying if 2nd hand even from an OPC.
The 111 check is totally worthless, they love to look at tyres and battery etc, google the 111 check list, it’s a joke.
The two front dampers on mine (which are brand new) were Bilstein - literally 100% identical to OEM minus a tiny Porsche kite mark; 111 fail , need to replace with £880 OEM if I want to renew the warranty.
Tyre sealant out of sell by date - need to replace if I want to renew warranty
Exhaust has the tiniest dent in it - £3600 to replace if I want to renew the warranty
It’s an absolute joke - I’ll be running it without a warranty !
Argee, the extended warranty and 111 check is a joke.
In most cases when people use non OEM parts on these cars, as per how it left the factory, they are replaced with SUPERIOR parts, but Porsche insist they are non compliant, perhaps because the new part passes the potential for failure on to the next weakest point in the chain where Porsche have chosen to be cheap or cut corners.
I have motorsport parts on my car with Porsche part numbers and was advised that these would cause and issue. Won’t bother to extend and will get a 3rd party warranty which has better coverage anyway.
Porsche used to be an engineering company, and from time to time they still are, but mostly bean counting and pen pushing these days.
In most cases when people use non OEM parts on these cars, as per how it left the factory, they are replaced with SUPERIOR parts, but Porsche insist they are non compliant, perhaps because the new part passes the potential for failure on to the next weakest point in the chain where Porsche have chosen to be cheap or cut corners.
I have motorsport parts on my car with Porsche part numbers and was advised that these would cause and issue. Won’t bother to extend and will get a 3rd party warranty which has better coverage anyway.
Porsche used to be an engineering company, and from time to time they still are, but mostly bean counting and pen pushing these days.
TDT said:
Argee, the extended warranty and 111 check is a joke.
In most cases when people use non OEM parts on these cars, as per how it left the factory, they are replaced with SUPERIOR parts, but Porsche insist they are non compliant, perhaps because the new part passes the potential for failure on to the next weakest point in the chain where Porsche have chosen to be cheap or cut corners.
I have motorsport parts on my car with Porsche part numbers and was advised that these would cause and issue. Won’t bother to extend and will get a 3rd party warranty which has better coverage anyway.
Porsche used to be an engineering company, and from time to time they still are, but mostly bean counting and pen pushing these days.
That's possibly a bit harsh your last paragraph. Not that I'm a fan of the bean counting approach (and let's face it PAG has been following that for a long time and not just recently) but to be fair one has to look at it on their side too. Especially given the higher number of GT cars and especially in the US the amount that the cars get used on track. They can't very well have a checklist on everything for what's approved as it's superior and what's not approved you have to agree? The warranty is pretty comprehensive but the trade-off is buying OEM parts - that is not entirely unreasonable I have to say. In most cases when people use non OEM parts on these cars, as per how it left the factory, they are replaced with SUPERIOR parts, but Porsche insist they are non compliant, perhaps because the new part passes the potential for failure on to the next weakest point in the chain where Porsche have chosen to be cheap or cut corners.
I have motorsport parts on my car with Porsche part numbers and was advised that these would cause and issue. Won’t bother to extend and will get a 3rd party warranty which has better coverage anyway.
Porsche used to be an engineering company, and from time to time they still are, but mostly bean counting and pen pushing these days.
What does grate of course is as RSVP mentions the nitpicking about slightly worn parts like the exhaust he mentions or slightly worn brakes (especially rotors!) where stuff absolutely is fine where they use it to force changes to extend the warranty. That's however OPC service department policy rather than PAG level directive on milking customers though I reckon.....
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