12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

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Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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RacerMike said:
Not sure I get what you mean here. You can’t carry over an ESC tune from something like a GT3 to a GT4. You may be able to copy a reasonable amount from a GTS, but regardless, Bosch Engineering calibrate all the GT cars where as Bosch Chassis do the core vehicles.
THe esc system was from the RS, retuned ofcourse but a MASSIVE step up , the 981 Spyder and T models are NOT Gt cars or have Gt tech, they are base model cars with a few add ones, it’s worlds apart. Basic esc, basic brakes, fixed suspension, they are not In The same league as a GT4.

Dynamically people who rave about the T and old Spyder don't have a scooby doo or maybe not tracked or owned a GT car, hence they are very over rated by owners who sadly don't know enough on how a GT car drives once you start to push.
Ok for every day use if you want a base model up 10% but nothing to write home about.

That’s why the new Spyder is a massive step up from the old car, and the GT4 is only really a sideways move up a few %

don’t compare T models and the 981 Spyder they are far lower down the chain as drivers cars.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th January 11:04

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Yep, plus you don't get the normal/sport/sport plus on the GT4.

Quite different electronic setups.

RacerMike

4,212 posts

212 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Porsche911R said:
RacerMike said:
Not sure I get what you mean here. You can’t carry over an ESC tune from something like a GT3 to a GT4. You may be able to copy a reasonable amount from a GTS, but regardless, Bosch Engineering calibrate all the GT cars where as Bosch Chassis do the core vehicles.
THe esc system was from the RS, retuned ofcourse but a MASSIVE step up , the 981 Spyder and T models are NOT Gt cars or have Gt tech, they are base model cars with a few add ones, it’s worlds apart. Basic esc, basic brakes, fixed suspension, they are not In The same league as a GT4.

Dynamically people who rave about the T and old Spyder don't have a scooby doo or maybe not tracked or owned a GT car, hence they are very over rated by owners who sadly don't know enough on how a GT car drives once you start to push.
Ok for every day use if you want a base model up 10% but nothing to write home about.

That’s why the new Spyder is a massive step up from the old car, and the GT4 is only really a sideways move up a few %

don’t compare T models and the 981 Spyder they are far lower down the chain as drivers cars.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 19th January 11:04
Not wanting to start an argument here, but I think you’re perhaps taking what’s written in the marketing blurb from Porsche as gospel.

Every 9X1 generation Porsche has a Bosch 9.1 modulator. The platform solution software is common across all cars and shares much in common with all vehicles (of other brands) that run Bosch 9.1 hardware/software. The core Bosch software team produce a software concept which has a base component that sits in a common piece of hardware, which in ESP premium, as found on 9X1 cars, is a 6 piston modulator.

Across all models (regardless of being a GT car or not) the software strategy for TCS, DSC and ABS is identical. The tuning is approached slightly different between the GT and core vehicles, but there is no change in software strategy. It’s just a difference in tuneable parameters. The ability to switch DSC off but leave TCS on is nothing more than a parameter change. You can select what you want left on or off during the calibration phase.

As I said previously, Bosch Engineering (who are a stand-alone department) do the calibration for the GT cars. They will almost certainly start with the DSC calibration for the core car and modify from their. I suspect most of the effort though goes into TCS calibration. Other than that, having driven both 981 S and GT4, I can’t honestly say there’s a great deal of difference (if any) in how the stability control is calibrated.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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RacerMike said:
Not wanting to start an argument here, but I think you’re perhaps taking what’s written in the marketing blurb from Porsche as gospel.

Every 9X1 generation Porsche has a Bosch 9.1 modulator. The platform solution software is common across all cars and shares much in common with all vehicles (of other brands) that run Bosch 9.1 hardware/software. The core Bosch software team produce a software concept which has a base component that sits in a common piece of hardware, which in ESP premium, as found on 9X1 cars, is a 6 piston modulator.


Across all models (regardless of being a GT car or not) the software strategy for TCS, DSC and ABS is identical. The tuning is approached slightly different between the GT and core vehicles, but there is no change in software strategy. It’s just a difference in tuneable parameters. The ability to switch DSC off but leave TCS on is nothing more than a parameter change. You can select what you want left on or off during the calibration phase.

As I said previously, Bosch Engineering (who are a stand-alone department) do the calibration for the GT cars. They will almost certainly start with the DSC calibration for the core car and modify from their. I suspect most of the effort though goes into TCS calibration. Other than that, having driven both 981 S and GT4, I can’t honestly say there’s a great deal of difference (if any) in how the stability control is calibrated.
All I know is to drive it’s night and day a 981 or GTS vs a GT4 or GT3 system. I owned all 3 at the same time.

The standard is for nanny noobs and far too restricted.

The GT4 and GT3 have 2 modes and are recalibrated to be more driver focus, less sensitive etcetc,

They maybe the same the unit, but you cannot do anything with it so you are stuck with nanny crap calibration on the T, GTS, Spyder etc.

You can also split tc and esc as you have two buttons over just a basic PSM button.

Just more work goes into Gt cars and track setups over the road going cars and for mr ave they won’t know any better owning a T or GTS.

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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I'm with R on this one. 60K for a nice 981 GT4 would make it the right value car imo. It would certainly get me eye as I was trying to buy one last Feb at circa 75K but a few slipped through my hands. Modding one makes it a really nice toy, after being in ChrisW's its a right animal. Also puts it in the market with the Exige 410 Sport which is currently dropping and in the mid 60's for a nice one. At the moment I'd go for a the 410 Sport, but if the GT4's dropped some more I'd probably swing towards the GT4.

Sandy59

2,706 posts

212 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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JayK12 said:
I'm with R on this one. 60K for a nice 981 GT4 would make it the right value car imo. It would certainly get me eye as I was trying to buy one last Feb at circa 75K but a few slipped through my hands. Modding one makes it a really nice toy, after being in ChrisW's its a right animal. Also puts it in the market with the Exige 410 Sport which is currently dropping and in the mid 60's for a nice one. At the moment I'd go for a the 410 Sport, but if the GT4's dropped some more I'd probably swing towards the GT4.
Re Lotus, a bit more money but this looks quite nice :

https://theautolounge.co.uk/stock/lotus-evora-gt43...

Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Sandy59 said:
Re Lotus, a bit more money but this looks quite nice :

https://theautolounge.co.uk/stock/lotus-evora-gt43...
I absolutely love all new Lotus cars form the latest Elise to the Evora. I might buy one this year if i decide i have time to drive another sports car..

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Sandy59 said:
Re Lotus, a bit more money but this looks quite nice :

https://theautolounge.co.uk/stock/lotus-evora-gt43...
get this for sub £60k though
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

and if you want 460BHP a remap gets you back the power, but the cars 1325kg with a real 410BHP anyway.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Taffy66 said:
I absolutely love all new Lotus cars form the latest Elise to the Evora. I might buy one this year if i decide i have time to drive another sports car..
did you get the OH a Mx5 30th ?

Taffy66

5,964 posts

103 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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Porsche911R said:
did you get the OH a Mx5 30th ?
In the end i didn't buy one as OH said she had no interest driving it.For me personally i'd rather have an Elise.

WCZ

10,542 posts

195 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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rob.kellock said:
Drive a 991 back to back with a standard Carrera. In the nicest possible way, you’re wrong. Save that, to greater or lesser extent, all trim levels are pure marketing...

Can’t speak for the Boxster / Cayman versions though as I haven’t driven one.
the cayman t is just a certain spec of cayman with no pcm and fabric door pulleys lol

the 911 t is a base carrera with 4 wheel steering made availible as well as lightweight rear glass and rear seat removal, you could spec a t without them and it would literally be identical. the t was a marketing exercise

having been in stripped out cars (i.e the rear seat removal and thin glass letting in more sound), there is deffo a placebo effect of making it seem faster and more alive just from sound alone.

Dan911

2,648 posts

209 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Not much moving..

Anybody bought or sold one lately?

Fizzbomb

484 posts

108 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Dan911 said:
Not much moving..

Anybody bought or sold one lately?
Possibly buying my 3rd one over the weekend, will have 3 of them intotal....

Edited by Fizzbomb on Tuesday 28th January 23:18

Dan911

2,648 posts

209 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Fizzbomb said:
Dan911 said:
Not much moving..

Anybody bought or sold one lately?
Possibly buying my one over the weekend, will have 3 of them intotal....
Sorry, so you have 2 and be buying another?

Ok... why do you need 3?

What’s the specs of them?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Dan911 said:
Sorry, so you have 2 and be buying another?

Ok... why do you need 3?

What’s the specs of them?
3 is nothing ask him how many Cayman R's he had :-)

Armitage.Shanks

2,282 posts

86 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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The red Cat S is back up on eBay for £52k

Fizzbomb

484 posts

108 months

Tuesday 28th January 2020
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Dan911 said:
Sorry, so you have 2 and be buying another?

Ok... why do you need 3?

What’s the specs of them?
Both are PTS examples, I actually have listed my green example on the PH classified as I don't want to increase the mileage any further....

FocusRS3

3,411 posts

92 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Fizzbomb said:
Both are PTS examples, I actually have listed my green example on the PH classified as I don't want to increase the mileage any further....
Been up since before Xmas . Have you had any serious interest in the car ?

Fizzbomb

484 posts

108 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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FocusRS3 said:
Been up since before Xmas . Have you had any serious interest in the car ?
This may sound strange, I could have sold it on 3 occasions, each time a buyer with the intent to buy it turned up, I suddenly had a change of heart, but now it’s definitely for sale!

Edited by Fizzbomb on Wednesday 29th January 12:05

Fizzbomb

484 posts

108 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Dan911 said:
Nice. what is the full spec of the Green one? - there are no interior pictures, leather dash?Sound Pack plus?PCM........

whats the other PTS color?
The other example is in Voodoo blue...
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