Cayman R Chat

[J-P]

julian987R said:

bencollins4 said:

The point is it isn’t worth £60k, that’s why it’s still for sale 7 months later. Doesn’t make any difference at all what he paid, none at all! I would say £50k is absolutely plenty.

You seem to be on a different planet to the rest of us sir……!

but white R with the factory red Spyders was £50K and as epic as that one is, it wasn't PTS.

Was that a private sale or from dealer? Also PTS was a £3k option back then, so if you're agreeing that a car with low mileage as the right spec is £50k - a PTS one is worth a fraction more.

[julian987R]

J-P said:

julian987R said:

bencollins4 said:

The point is it isn’t worth £60k, that’s why it’s still for sale 7 months later. Doesn’t make any difference at all what he paid, none at all! I would say £50k is absolutely plenty.

You seem to be on a different planet to the rest of us sir……!

but white R with the factory red Spyders was £50K and as epic as that one is, it wasn't PTS.

Was that a private sale or from dealer? Also PTS was a £3k option back then, so if you're agreeing that a car with low mileage as the right spec is £50k - a PTS one is worth a fraction more.

Dealer I think it was.
Ok so 53, then double the 3 as its not like you can come at it afresh and order a PTS Cayman anew, so thats 56k, then 56 divided by 14 PTS R's in the world = 4K bonus, add the 4K = £60K. See i keep tell you.

[J-P]

julian987R said:

J-P said:

julian987R said:

bencollins4 said:

The point is it isn’t worth £60k, that’s why it’s still for sale 7 months later. Doesn’t make any difference at all what he paid, none at all! I would say £50k is absolutely plenty.

You seem to be on a different planet to the rest of us sir……!

but white R with the factory red Spyders was £50K and as epic as that one is, it wasn't PTS.

Was that a private sale or from dealer? Also PTS was a £3k option back then, so if you're agreeing that a car with low mileage as the right spec is £50k - a PTS one is worth a fraction more.

Dealer I think it was.
Ok so 53, then double the 3 as its not like you can come at it afresh and order a PTS Cayman anew, so thats 56k, then 56 divided by 14 PTS R's in the world = 4K bonus, add the 4K = £60K. See i keep tell you.

But this a private sale?, so if it goes wrong or anything happens, no warranty or comeback - so knock around £5k off. Also PTS is only worth £3k if you're actually picking the colour. So if you really want viper green, then great, if not, then the colour doesn't make it worth any extra wedge.

[akadk]

£60k??

[J-P]

julian987R said:

J-P said:

julian987R said:

To those questioning the price and selling intentions of Buds viper green R….

“…. just to say that yes I would sell for £60k, no I don't need to sell it and I paid £54k for it in 2018 and have done 5k miles in it since, so I reckon £60k is pretty fair money.

To all the people suggesting this is 20k over a car in another colour you are clearly deluded, please show me a 20k mile car with all the spec sold recently for 40k. They haven't, they have been 50k quid, so really not to bad. Regards colour, try buying a Viper green 997.1 RS without a £40k premium over a black or orange one, and eleven of those made the UK, yet alone worldwide.

Anyway, not bothered if I keep it, booked a driving holiday to the Alps and Pyrenees in June so will need a car of some sort.”

See…told you!

I think that he has mis-understood the point. A Cayman R can be had for £40k - a low mileage one is worth more, nobody is denying that. A PTS car is worth more still, completely agree - but £60K? That's too high a premium. But as I said, it's not really for sale.

huh? but it is for sale. Why does that seem to be hard to accept. If you don't want to spend £60K, fine, I am not his agent but if you did want to spend £60K it is indeed for sale. I don't get the debate on this. Anyhow, lets move on. I was just offering it up to the person who posted that they were looking for one sub 30K miles and manual.

If I put something up for sale at a price that they market won't stand, then it's not really for sale. If I was getting this car from JZM, then yeah I could see that they would put it up for sale at just under £60k but they wouldn't have paid £60k for it, more like £50k or just over. So that's what I reckon a private seller would pay for it (even with the special colour). Prices have softened and will likely soften even further.

[julian987R]

J-P said:

If I put something up for sale at a price that they market won't stand, then it's not really for sale. If I was getting this car from JZM, then yeah I could see that they would put it up for sale at just under £60k but they wouldn't have paid £60k for it, more like £50k or just over. So that's what I reckon a private seller would pay for it (even with the special colour). Prices have softened and will likely soften even further.

What if it was on SOR at JZM for £59,995 would you be as perturbed?

[J-P]

julian987R said:

J-P said:

If I put something up for sale at a price that they market won't stand, then it's not really for sale. If I was getting this car from JZM, then yeah I could see that they would put it up for sale at just under £60k but they wouldn't have paid £60k for it, more like £50k or just over. So that's what I reckon a private seller would pay for it (even with the special colour). Prices have softened and will likely soften even further.

What if it was on SOR at JZM for £59,995 would you be as perturbed?

I'm not perturbed - it's not worth £60k to me even from a dealer but it's definitely not worth £60k as a private sale.

[Yidwann]

Like I said, you could buy the Ashgood car for £39k which looked pretty much perfect, and spend £6-7k on a respray in any colour you liked it and it would probably be a better finish too. Then you'd have something truly unique.

[frayz]

With respect, everyone saying its not worth £60k is 100% right... its not worth £60k to them.

Someone wanting to own the only 1 of 1 Viper green Cayman R with £60k to spend will happily pay it.
Buying a cheaper one and having it painted isn't really relevant because its not factory. We all know how minty car people get over factory finished cars, matching numbers blah blah. Hell, we all know how fussy some folk are over a car having a certain spec. If the spec you truly desire is a factory finished viper green Cayman R, then this is the only 1.

So its 100% for sale, to the person who decides they want it and prepared to pay it. This year we have seen liquid yellow Clio V6s go for £85k and there was more than one of those made, likewise there were 500 Clio Trophys made and they're all £10k-£20k now, yet the #001 car went for £48k and it wasn't even in THAT nice condition, so anything is possible in the niche car market.


Want the ONLY Viper green Cayman R?

Get you wallet out

Edited by frayz on Tuesday 3rd May 08:22

Edited by frayz on Tuesday 3rd May 15:04

[ATM]

frayz said:

This year we have seen liquid yellow Clio V6s go for £85k

That's crazy

[PaulD86]

Question is, why would you want a Cayman R painted the wrong green

Anyway, the market clearly doesn't think it is worth £60k, but the seller and Julian do. As with anything, it's worth what someone is prepared to pay and after 7 months, it can reasonably be concluded, that isn't £60k. However, this debate will be resolved one way other and it won't be on this thread. It will be when/if it sells, and if the sale price is ever publicly disclosed. But I won't be holding my breath on that being anytime soon.

[J-P]

frayz said:

With respect, everyone saying its not worth £60k is 100% right... its not worth £60k to them.

Someone wanting to own the only 1 of 1 Viper green Cayman R with £60k to spend will happily pay it.
Buying a cheaper one and having it painted isn't really relevant because its not factory. We all know how minty car people get over factory finished cars, matching numbers blah blah. Hell, we all know how fussy some folk are over a car having a certain spec. If the spec you truly desire is a factory finished viper green Cayman R, then this is the only 1.

So its 100% for sale, to the person who decides they want it and prepared to pay it. This year we have seen liquid yellow Clio V6s go for £85k and there was more than one of those made, likewise there were 500 Clio Trophys made and they're all £10k-£20k now, yet the #001 car went for £48k and it wasn't even in THAT nice condition, so anything is possible in the niche car market.

Want the ONLY Viper green Cayman R, get you wallet out

Edited by frayz on Tuesday 3rd May 08:22

Exactly what I said, you'd have to really want a green one to pay £60k for it. You've seen how quickly Cayman R's sell at Ashgood - gone within days (at £40-45k). So one stuck around at £60k for 7 months is too expensive. Personally, I'd spend a further £5k and get a GT4.

[squirdan]

breakfan said:

I listed mine for sale over the weekend. I think its the only manual in the PH classifieds. Get in touch!

Unfortunately it was a little overcast when I took the photos yesterday, but the paint is popping in the sunshine today

Edited by breakfan on Monday 2nd May 09:00

good luck with sale..looks good in the red

[julian987R]

Looks like the white R that had missed a service during peak Covid, circa £38K, has sold. Anyone here?

[AAAndy]

Is anyone going to the JZM Cars and Coffee meet on Sunday? I'll be there in the R.

[frayz]

AAAndy said:

Is anyone going to the JZM Cars and Coffee meet on Sunday? I'll be there in the R.

Working im afraid mate, have a good one

[Andyoz]

julian987R said:

Looks like the white R that had missed a service during peak Covid, circa £38K, has sold. Anyone here?

it was last seen at £36,500 so I expect someone got it for say £35k which was a good move IMO.

[julian987R]

Andyoz said:

julian987R said:

Looks like the white R that had missed a service during peak Covid, circa £38K, has sold. Anyone here?

it was last seen at £36,500 so I expect someone got it for say £35k which was a good move IMO.

yep someone did well there.

[tracydeedance]

julian987R said:

Andyoz said:

julian987R said:

Looks like the white R that had missed a service during peak Covid, circa £38K, has sold. Anyone here?

it was last seen at £36,500 so I expect someone got it for say £35k which was a good move IMO.

yep someone did well there.

I would say so, anything in limited numbers is a good investment now days and getting harder to find at reasonable prices.

Think a good few missed a service during lockdown no big deal probably didn't do much work during that time.
Bargain.

[IanB_76]

We held our first Cars and Coffee morning at work on Friday, and amazingly were gifted with beautiful blue skies for most of the day. Having worked at MAL for over 10yrs I have always wanted to drive around the lake, so to get to do so along with parking up and getting to take some shots was a real treat!

One of the guys kindly took some snaps with a proper camera, which he kindly shared (and some may have already seen on my Insta @peridotporsche)








And one I took with my phone: