Cayman R Chat

[freedman]

GT03 said:

Good source here, table below:

Item	S Option	Change

Removal of storage compartments

R only

-1kg

From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them

[Andyoz]

I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35

[PaulD86]

freedman said:

GT03 said:

Good source here, table below:

Item	S Option	Change

Removal of storage compartments

R only

-1kg

From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them

On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.

[frayz]

Came up in my memories today, worth reposting.

[Gibbo205]

Andyoz said:

I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35

Some people understand that exclusivity and rarity cost more, if you get this you buy the Cayman R. If you don't get this you complain how expensive the R is and suggest to everyone to mod a Cayman S.

Depends what camp you sit in, but I'd take a 40k R over a 25k S every day of the week, I enjoy the limited edition and the fact it was factory built and not some guys modding experiment in his shed.

[freedman]

PaulD86 said:

On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.

Ah, ok, thank you

[AAAndy]

PaulD86 said:

freedman said:

GT03 said:

Good source here, table below:

Item	S Option	Change

Removal of storage compartments

R only

-1kg

From where?

I can only think this means the rear bins next to the engine cover, but I've never seen an R without them

On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.

Removal of cup holders - that mechanism taken out of the dash would contribute to this. (this was another no cost option to add back in)

[Andyoz]

All the R's had the fancy steering wheel and color coded centre console that lots of S's didn't get specified (at least the ones I have been in)

Anyway, I don't own an R anymore

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 12:12

[PaulD86]

Gibbo205 said:

Andyoz said:

I still don't understand some of the outrage over the S versus R pricing.

Compare it the 911 S and GTS pricing madness. The difference being everything on a GTS was available as an option on an S. The same doesn't apply with the Cayman R....doors, big bore exhaust, suspension, etc. The £10k delta in price is chicken feed in the world of Porsche IMO.

Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 21st September 09:35

Some people understand that exclusivity and rarity cost more, if you get this you buy the Cayman R. If you don't get this you complain how expensive the R is and suggest to everyone to mod a Cayman S.

Depends what camp you sit in, but I'd take a 40k R over a 25k S every day of the week, I enjoy the limited edition and the fact it was factory built and not some guys modding experiment in his shed.

Exactly. This reminds me of my last quick car. It was a Litchfield Type 20 Impreza and the Scooby forums were overflowing with opinions on these. People loved to say how X suspension on a standard STI would be better, or Y mapping on something else was better, or you would be btter with this or that and I couldn't have carerd less. I bought a car which was developed by people who knew what they were doing and which was very effective at getting down B roads at spectacularly antisocial pace. And when I sold it, I didn't lose much. This is the same with the R really. I'm very sure you could make a better S for less, and I don't give a monkeys. The R package works, and works well. "Total handling excellence", according to EVO magazine. That's good enough for me.

[Andyoz]

The owner of this track rat S is being optimistic IMO.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208138...

[Slippydiff]

PaulD86 said:

Exactly. This reminds me of my last quick car. It was a Litchfield Type 20 Impreza and the Scooby forums were overflowing with opinions on these. People loved to say how X suspension on a standard STI would be better, or Y mapping on something else was better, or you would be btter with this or that and I couldn't have carerd less. I bought a car which was developed by people who knew what they were doing and which was very effective at getting down B roads at spectacularly antisocial pace. And when I sold it, I didn't lose much. This is the same with the R really. I'm very sure you could make a better S for less, and I don't give a monkeys. The R package works, and works well. "Total handling excellence", according to EVO magazine. That's good enough for me.

All true, but ... my brief dalliance with a nicely specced 987 3.4 S that I owned last summer indicated the lesser car really didn’t need much in the way of modifications, such is the excellence of 987 Cayman’s chassis package out of the box.

Quite frankly a slightly bigger bore exhaust and revised mapping along with a pair of aluminium doors and seats that proved to be amongst the most uncomfortable I’ve ever sat in, weren’t worth the delta over and above an S to me.

I guess if you buy into the Porsche Kool-aid with regards to the R’s reduced weight, you’d see some benefit in the concept, but for me, as I said earlier in this thread, the stand out components of the R, were it’s springs and dampers, but I wouldn’t pay £15K for the privilege of having them, when you could buy them off Porsche and fit them yourself, or fit a set of KW’s that would give you better dampers AND some adjustability both in ride height/corner weight and damping.

The Spyder wheels are a nice wheel, but a scant 200g lighter per set (than the 1/2 narrower fronts) Carrera S II items, again, not worth the price delta.

Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.

The Porsche marketing dept, is without a doubt amongst the best in the world ...

[Gibbo205]

Slippydiff said:

All true, but ... my brief dalliance with a nicely specced 987 3.4 S that I owned last summer indicated the lesser car really didn’t need much in the way of modifications, such is the excellence of 987 Cayman’s chassis package out of the box.

Quite frankly a slightly bigger bore exhaust and revised mapping along with a pair of aluminium doors and seats that proved to be amongst the most uncomfortable I’ve ever sat in, weren’t worth the delta over and above an S to me.

I guess if you buy into the Porsche Kool-aid with regards to the R’s reduced weight, you’d see some benefit in the concept, but for me, as I said earlier in this thread, the stand out components of the R, were it’s springs and dampers, but I wouldn’t pay £15K for the privilege of having them, when you could buy them off Porsche and fit them yourself, or fit a set of KW’s that would give you better dampers AND some adjustability both in ride height/corner weight and damping.

The Spyder wheels are a nice wheel, but a scant 200g lighter per set (than the 1/2 narrower fronts) Carrera S II items, again, not worth the price delta.

Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.

The Porsche marketing dept, is without a doubt amongst the best in the world ...

Your still missing the key point, people buy the R over the S because they want the rarity and exclusivity, the pinnacle of the 987 range. For the punters who want that, the R is the only answer, yet others like yourself will be more than happy to buy an S and mod it.

Different things for different folks, neither is right or wrong but an R will always be worth more than a modded S, all day every day.

[Andyoz]

Slippydiff said:

Aluminium doors ? Great for bragging rights, but a decent lightweight battery will save as much, if not more weight.

Ah yes, but what about the aluminium doors AND a lightweight battery

Did they ever fit those doors to a 997 GTS...only the GT3 and Turbo got them right?

[Andyoz]

PaulD86 said:

On the S there are hinged door bins with carpet on the lower door cards. The R does not have these.

They also deleted the little light at bottom of the door that's useless anyway. I spent some time laying underneath my door card when changing the window regulator and thought that was a nice touch.

[Slippydiff]

Gibbo205 said:

Your still missing the key point, people buy the R over the S because they want the rarity and exclusivity, the pinnacle of the 987 range. For the punters who want that, the R is the only answer, yet others like yourself will be more than happy to buy an S and mod it.

Different things for different folks, neither is right or wrong but an R will always be worth more than a modded S, all day every day.

When the words rare and exclusive are used in the context of the CR, you know we’re scraping the barrel

[tracydeedance]

tracydeedance said:

As an Ex owner of a 996 GT3 mk1 and Mk 2 previously to my CR ownership which is now owned by AAAndy on here i have been reading all the pros and cons, first of all great cars in there own rights all suited to road and track obviously more track focused is the GT3.

Everyone has different needs which suits there purpose .My CR had Buckets PSE Chrono Spyder wheels Man box which was perfect for my occasional drives home and abroad.

I am reading a lot about the CR vs the S Sorry to say it's a different animal and drive, as others have pointed out you can Tweak an S to give a closer experience but it's going to be expensive and frankly why would you.I

Also been pointed out how rare is a run of the mill S where as the CR is a little over 200 for the UK equal split between gearboxes which is horses for course for its needs.

My circumstances have changed so my choice as I wanted a drive as near to the CR as possible with under half the budget of a CR , so I bought a Cayman S Sport with plenty of performance options on it .
Yes I know I know it's a Gen 1 engine but a well maintained reg oil change engine's plenty of Gen 1 don't have problems.
It really does handle perform sound as close to my old CR as I could wish for and less than half the budget, to be honest I am hard pushed to see much difference it's such great car fun to drive.
It's somewhere between and S and a CR but closer to the R having had all the models.
Talking of being rare only 65 in the UK today apparently.

What's it's all about Ladies and Gents is enjoying all the models all good in there own rights.
Enjoy petrol while we can as true petrol heads.
All only my options of course but perfectly placed as owns all models above.
Have fun.

[ChrisW.]

I think what this proves is that there is a car for everybody ... but clearly not everybody for any one car ...

[tighnamara]

Slippydiff said:

When the words rare and exclusive are used in the context of the CR, you know we’re scraping the barrel

Does it really matter

[Escy]

I'd suggest it is everyone for one car, they are basically the same thing. The list of significant changes you couldn't spec on an S is negligible. If you had the geo on an S done to the same spec as an R and drove each car back to back you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[Slippydiff]

Escy said:

I'd suggest it is everyone for one car, they are basically the same thing. The list of significant changes you couldn't spec on an S is negligible. If you had the geo on an S done to the same spec as an R and drove each car back to back you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Harsh ...























but fair