Cayman R Chat

[julian987R]

ATM said:

As I said some will refuse to believe what's coming.

You might have a massive bank balance of millions, all your pension plans in place and bigger balls than Me. But pretty much everyone else who owns one of these cars or might be thinking about buying one will be affected by a big downturn in financial conditions.

You have your view and I have mine. I've explained my reasons. You have explained yours. All we can do now is wait and see.

[Escy]

The Cayman R market isn't separate from everything else. If the GT4's come down in value (where I'd think loans and finance comes into it a bit more), it'll push down the Cayman R values.

[Jellyfishfields]

Gibbo205 said:

jmcc42uk said:

The other thing which I'm sure has been mentioned a few times before is this.

Cayman R vs 981 GTS.

As far as I can see the R is sharper on steering and road feel where as the GTS could be more of a GT car. However work in the x73 and a geo on the GTS and it might bring back some feel.

The Steve Sutcliffe Autocar review really turned me on to the GTS but it's a hard decision between the two.

Not even a decision, the Cayman R is lighter, more precise but most of all smaller making it far easier and more enjoyable to hustle down a B road, also smaller wheels and tyres means the gearing is shorter too.

Cayman R everytime over a 981 GTS, I even prefer the R over the GT4 when it comes to a fun b road blasting car.

Really? Surprised if they made it even wider. It's one of the things I don't like about the 987, it's much wider than I expected it to be.

[bigmowley]

My take on this FWIW. The R has stayed fairly consistently priced for years, a good R by whatever metric you use to define good; colour, spec, low miles, low owners, warranty etc etc has bounced around low to mid £40K for a good few years, almost ever. I think it will stay here for at least the foreseeable, it’s rare, it’s different enough to be desirable, it’s comfortably cheaper than all the GT4 variants. Given inflation at 10% the real “value” is obviously slightly downwards but in price terms I just don’t see what will drive them down to say low 30’s for a good one.

Anyway back to mixing mojitos for the family, happy new year to one and all.
Cheers

[julian987R]

Escy said:

The Cayman R market isn't separate from everything else. If the GT4's come down in value (where I'd think loans and finance comes into it a bit more), it'll push down the Cayman R values.

It doesn't work like that after a while. Older generations can and do end up more expensive than its modern brothers.

[julian987R]

J-P said:

Don't know if anybody else has noticed this but on the Porsche AUC website there are only 4 Cayman Rs available - all 'wrong' spec and selling for up to £48k!

Is this the impact of the new 4cyl Cayman and Boxsters? If so, great!

Went out in mine today for a quick blast - what a wonderful machine. It will need some new boots soon, I'm thinking MPSC 2 would be just what the doctor ordered.

First post on this thread from 2016, to support bigmowley's point. In 6 years they have stayed pretty consistent. True, interest rates were 0.5% back then, lets see what the new year brings.
Happy New Year one and all.

[Prestonese]

Gibbo205 said:

jmcc42uk said:

The other thing which I'm sure has been mentioned a few times before is this.

Cayman R vs 981 GTS.

As far as I can see the R is sharper on steering and road feel where as the GTS could be more of a GT car. However work in the x73 and a geo on the GTS and it might bring back some feel.

The Steve Sutcliffe Autocar review really turned me on to the GTS but it's a hard decision between the two.

Not even a decision, the Cayman R is lighter, more precise but most of all smaller making it far easier and more enjoyable to hustle down a B road, also smaller wheels and tyres means the gearing is shorter too.

Cayman R everytime over a 981 GTS, I even prefer the R over the GT4 when it comes to a fun b road blasting car.

There's not much in it in terms of size - width and height of both the GTS and R are more or less the same. The 981 is slightly longer and 70kgs heavier the basic spec. Add Aircon and a stereo back to the R and put some buckets in the 981 and there's not much in it. I went from a GTS to an R and was slightly disappointed it didn't feel night and day different. A GT4 is noticeably different but not my cup of tea. A 718 R would be interesting though - more so than the GT4RS for me. Stripped back GTS 4.0 with smaller lighter wheels and a few aluminium / carbon parts. Fabric door pulls as well of course....

I don't see the R appreciating massively in value. At least not any time soon given the economic climate. The bid-offer for cars is probably around 5k which is proportionally more significant than other higher end models.

The potential buyers of an R are unlikely to be the same guys who are buying 100k+ cars for fun so likely to be budget sensitive. There's so much choice in the Porsche back catalogue to compete for attention too.

Edited by Prestonese on Saturday 31st December 20:24

[jmcc42uk]

Thanks guys.

Yeah, A lot of stuff not selling at dealers etc now and that will inevitably drive prices down for everything. I think £40k will buy a good low mile R this year but then it'll also buy a decent GTS as well.

With that in mind you could possibly save a bit of cash as well by getting a car with the normal comfort seats and then stick in a set of Pole positions. This would also save a good chunk of weight as I think the Recaros weigh about 6kgs each. Could even get hounds tooth inserts too.

Any other good weight savings? I know a Lithium battery is a good one but possibly not as reliable as OEM.

[tighnamara]

jmcc42uk said:

Thanks guys.

Yeah, A lot of stuff not selling at dealers etc now and that will inevitably drive prices down for everything. I think £40k will buy a good low mile R this year but then it'll also buy a decent GTS as well.

With that in mind you could possibly save a bit of cash as well by getting a car with the normal comfort seats and then stick in a set of Pole positions. This would also save a good chunk of weight as I think the Recaros weigh about 6kgs each. Could even get hounds tooth inserts too.

Any other good weight savings? I know a Lithium battery is a good one but possibly not as reliable as OEM.

You could be correct, who knows, will certainly have a better idea in a years time

Not many for sale at the moment on AT, 2 manuals and 6 PDK.

To get a low mileage full spec the owners needs to be wanting to sell, will be interesting for sure, but as you say if prices do drop your predicted value others will be dropping similar value across a broad range of vehicles.

[Old Trout]

I have just started looking to buy a Cayman R and found this thread.

Only 566 pages to read! Oh good.

[tighnamara]

Old Trout said:

I have just started looking to buy a Cayman R and found this thread.

Only 566 pages to read! Oh good.

Enjoy the reading and searching
Some good pointers / discussion within the 566 pages and some you can “pass by”

Helped me make my decision when purchasing…….

[julian987R]

Not an R but an interesting 987 mod by RUF I never knew of

https://www.goodingco.com/lot/2007-ruf-rk-coupe/

[Armitage.Shanks]

julian987R said:

Not an R but an interesting 987 mod by RUF I never knew of

https://www.goodingco.com/lot/2007-ruf-rk-coupe/

That is hideous! I'd prefer a F355 derived from an MR2 before that!

[BillyB]

Jellyfishfields said:

Gibbo205 said:

jmcc42uk said:

Cayman R vs 981 GTS....Not even a decision, the Cayman R is lighter, more precise but most of all smaller making it far easier and more enjoyable to hustle down a B road, also smaller wheels and tyres means the gearing is shorter too.

Cayman R everytime over a 981 GTS, I even prefer the R over the GT4 when it comes to a fun b road blasting car.

Really? Surprised if they made it even wider. It's one of the things I don't like about the 987, it's much wider than I expected it to be.

According to wikipedia (for generic "Cayman", in mm):

987 981
Wheelbase: 2,417 2,475
Length: 4,372 4,380
Width: 1,801 1,801
Height: 1,303 1,295

Basically the same, athough that doesn't stop one "feeling" smaller than the other.

[julian987R]

BillyB said:

According to wikipedia (for generic "Cayman", in mm):

987 981
Wheelbase: 2,417 2,475
Length: 4,372 4,380
Width: 1,801 1,801
Height: 1,303 1,295

Basically the same, athough that doesn't stop one "feeling" smaller than the other.

the CR 1285, but yep the 981 is lower height than a 987 base/S, it sure looks higher, so to the 992, its height is 1289.

[IanB_76]

Don't know about the rest of you, but my car is used all year round and I made a few trips out over December and 1st day of Jan.

12th Dec was the PCGB Christmas Festival, and I conveyed up with Tom from Ashgood's in the track prepared Guards Red R. -5°C on the way there and snowed on the way home!


28th December I made a short visit to the Legends Drivers Club at Westerham Brewery... grim weather meant a fairly low turnout, but good to see some familiar faces and chat all things Porsche.



Then I joined the PCGB R29 New Year's drive down to Eastbourne on Monday 2nd Jan. Again, Tom from Ashgood's joined in their R, along with around another 12 or so cars. Took over the M25 and then managed to maintain a 14 car convoy all the way down the A22 to Eadtbourne for a spot of breakfast.

Very sodden roads despite the clear skies, so a fairly modest pace, but a nice group and cars from all eras.

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I attended a lot of meets and events in 2022, meeting a lot of new people, but intend to focus more on the driving in 2023. Main aims are to do a track day and hopefully the NC500 too. The only worry as usual is adding the miles, but my car was never going to be a garage queen so I guess I'll just have to take the hit, and enjoy it along the way. I really do find driving it addictive, especially with PSE on as the revs hit 4000 and the note hardens towars the redline. Smiles all the way!!

[Old Trout]

I appreciate this might be a daft question, but I don't know.

Looking at a Cayman R manual and it has Sport and PSE buttons. Looking at PDKs they have Sport, Sport Plus and PSE buttons.

Does the PDK have extra modes, or the manual lacking an option?

PS Is that Ashgood car a good one - it's for sale - I have not dealt with them before being from Oop North.

[julian987R]

Nice one listed today

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301052...

I think it is one a member here used to own going by the rare painted PDK bezel.

[julian987R]

Old Trout said:

I appreciate this might be a daft question, but I don't know.

Looking at a Cayman R manual and it has Sport and PSE buttons. Looking at PDKs they have Sport, Sport Plus and PSE buttons.

Does the PDK have extra modes, or the manual lacking an option?

PS Is that Ashgood car a good one - it's for sale - I have not dealt with them before being from Oop North.

Yep PDK has that extra Plus mode with Chrono that the manual does have. The Plus mode gives launch control and faster PDK shift speeds.
No idea on the Ashgood car but considering their high reputation it won't be a turkey.

[Old Trout]

I love that colour. I was piloted around Oulton in a very quick peridot PDK R a few years ago.