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Slippydiff said:
I wasn't trying to convince you of anything 
My post was aimed solely at the Budflicker, who read and accepted it in the manner it was intended
As for aircon, I'm with you, not once did it detract from the ownership experience of any of my 964 RS's, nor my 993 RS. But the contributors to various threads on here stating they "couldn't own a car without A/C" show how the buying demographic has changed and what a limp wristed, mincer your average Porsche owner is now
I can just imagine some of the current 991 GT3/RS owners contacting Porsche Motorsport back in '73 to order a 2.7 RS with M491 option (2.8 RSR to the uninitiated) and stating they'd like to tick the option box for air conditioning if possible ...
The comment about the RS being worth 55 times more than a Boxster, reflected what an early 2.5 Boxster could be picked up for back at the peak of RS prices 4 years ago. I merely joined the thread after an individual who's no doubt never sat in a 964 RS (let alone driven one) spouted some nonsense about a £4K Boxster being a viable alternative to a 964 RS.
His inane drivel starts on this page :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The seam welding has nothing to do with how the car behaves on less than perfectly surfaced roads. The extent of the seam welding can be found via my link in this thread here :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
(as can the images of what a properly seam welded 911 shell looks like
The issue with the 964 RS was the uniball top mounts used in the front supension, along with the overly stiff front dampers, additionally many had poor geometry set ups, plus the fact the Germans liked to slam them to the deck, add in dampers that get harder with age (yes, really) and you end up with a car that can feel somewhat lively on less than perfect road surfaces.
Fit new (or better still, 993 RS) front dampers, raise the suspension to the maximum factory spec and fit new modern, tyres along with a sensible geo and you'll have the most wonderful driving experience (not fast by Cayman R standards) but the level of feedback, tactility and engagement makes the Cayman R feel like copulating with a wellington boot over your genitals....
Interesting info, especially the pics of the seam welded shell, I'd just assumed that it was the stiffness of the shell that was the big contributor, but clearly not. My post was aimed solely at the Budflicker, who read and accepted it in the manner it was intended As for aircon, I'm with you, not once did it detract from the ownership experience of any of my 964 RS's, nor my 993 RS. But the contributors to various threads on here stating they "couldn't own a car without A/C" show how the buying demographic has changed and what a limp wristed, mincer your average Porsche owner is now
I can just imagine some of the current 991 GT3/RS owners contacting Porsche Motorsport back in '73 to order a 2.7 RS with M491 option (2.8 RSR to the uninitiated) and stating they'd like to tick the option box for air conditioning if possible ...
The comment about the RS being worth 55 times more than a Boxster, reflected what an early 2.5 Boxster could be picked up for back at the peak of RS prices 4 years ago. I merely joined the thread after an individual who's no doubt never sat in a 964 RS (let alone driven one) spouted some nonsense about a £4K Boxster being a viable alternative to a 964 RS.
His inane drivel starts on this page :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The seam welding has nothing to do with how the car behaves on less than perfectly surfaced roads. The extent of the seam welding can be found via my link in this thread here :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
(as can the images of what a properly seam welded 911 shell looks like
The issue with the 964 RS was the uniball top mounts used in the front supension, along with the overly stiff front dampers, additionally many had poor geometry set ups, plus the fact the Germans liked to slam them to the deck, add in dampers that get harder with age (yes, really) and you end up with a car that can feel somewhat lively on less than perfect road surfaces.
Fit new (or better still, 993 RS) front dampers, raise the suspension to the maximum factory spec and fit new modern, tyres along with a sensible geo and you'll have the most wonderful driving experience (not fast by Cayman R standards) but the level of feedback, tactility and engagement makes the Cayman R feel like copulating with a wellington boot over your genitals....
The air con thing just puzzles me - I'm surprised that no one came out with the old chestnut about it being dangerous to drive in the rain without AC because you can't de-mist the windscreen properly; because no one ever drove their cars in the rain before AC was common?!? Ultimately I guess it's all about what you're looking for from the car, and your environment - I'm sure if I was living in Southern California I would have wanted AC, but it's more likely I would have just bought a Spyder instead :-)
Anyway, as Cayman Rs seem to have dried up (12 on AutoTrader at Christmas
1 on AT now, several wrong spec or high mileage in PH), and as I've always been a 911 fan, I find myself drawn to this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...
Only real drawback for me is I'd prefer no sunroof and buckets if I'm honest. Looks gorgeous, but also history is on time though not all OPC.
Do I wait for an R (which may take another year til the right spec comes up, if ever!)...
1 on AT now, several wrong spec or high mileage in PH), and as I've always been a 911 fan, I find myself drawn to this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...
Only real drawback for me is I'd prefer no sunroof and buckets if I'm honest. Looks gorgeous, but also history is on time though not all OPC.
Do I wait for an R (which may take another year til the right spec comes up, if ever!)...
I moved from a 997 C2S that I’d specced myself from new to my Cayman R - wouldn’t want to go back.
I’d wait for the right car if I were you, otherwise every time you drive something else, you’ll wish you did.
OPC service history wouldn’t bother me as long as good independents were used.
I’d wait for the right car if I were you, otherwise every time you drive something else, you’ll wish you did.
OPC service history wouldn’t bother me as long as good independents were used.
Slippydiff said:
........ but the level of feedback, tactility and engagement makes the Cayman R feel like copulating with a wellington boot over your genitals....
quote of the week for me - excellent!!!! (the clarity of the analogy, rather than the slap down of the Cayman R vs an RS) 
Jim1556 said:
Anyway, as Cayman Rs seem to have dried up (12 on AutoTrader at Christmas
1 on AT now, several wrong spec or high mileage in PH), and as I've always been a 911 fan, I find myself drawn to this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...
Only real drawback for me is I'd prefer no sunroof and buckets if I'm honest. Looks gorgeous, but also history is on time though not all OPC.
Do I wait for an R (which may take another year til the right spec comes up, if ever!)...
I had a White 997 GTS (before my GT4) and now an R and my advice is wait for an R as on the road it’s the best Porsche you can buy for £50k1 on AT now, several wrong spec or high mileage in PH), and as I've always been a 911 fan, I find myself drawn to this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2018...
Only real drawback for me is I'd prefer no sunroof and buckets if I'm honest. Looks gorgeous, but also history is on time though not all OPC.
Do I wait for an R (which may take another year til the right spec comes up, if ever!)...
Jim1556 said:
This car clearly has PSE, its in the photos and description.Not saying this car is the one you're looking for, however if one came up with your ideal spec but no PSE, why not consider an aftermarket performance system?In my experince, Porsche PSE doesnt sound that amazing anyway. Some beautufully crafted and sounding systems out there.
Wouldnt be a deal breaker for me.
Jim1556 said:
Factory PSE has silver tips, also a different manifold, which you don't get with a retrofit. It wasn't a standard option as otherwise all Cayman Rs would have it...
Nice as that car is, factory PSE is a must for me.
Its got silver tips, theyre just dirty.Nice as that car is, factory PSE is a must for me.
Dont believe PSE cars had different manifolds either, thought it was just a catback with the valves and associated wiring/switch inside the car.
Having looked at the stock manifolds on the R, theyre nothing to write home about either. A set of high flow headers release quite a nice gain on the 3.4l R DFI motor.
Frayz is correct. The changes at he manifold end are what gave the R that slight power increase over the S. Those changes are present whether the PSE was specced or not.
PSE is purely for the sound, there’s no power increase gained from it. And it can be retrofitted if you’re set on having it.
Edit...
I’ll assume David is correct - so the standard R exhaust has he extra power, but you can’t retrofit an R PSE?
I guess given the volume of the R, it wouldn’t make sense for Porsche to offer the 55mm option just for the R owners who may want to upgrade.
PSE is purely for the sound, there’s no power increase gained from it. And it can be retrofitted if you’re set on having it.
Edit...
I’ll assume David is correct - so the standard R exhaust has he extra power, but you can’t retrofit an R PSE?
I guess given the volume of the R, it wouldn’t make sense for Porsche to offer the 55mm option just for the R owners who may want to upgrade.
Edited by MDT48 on Monday 11th June 08:46
Jim1556 said:
Factory PSE has silver tips, also a different manifold, which you don't get with a retrofit. It wasn't a standard option as otherwise all Cayman Rs would have it...
Nice as that car is, factory PSE is a must for me.
Look at the interior pictures, you can clearly see the PSE button under the air con controls?Nice as that car is, factory PSE is a must for me.
Jim1556 said:
Damn !! It's got A/C.... can't be worth anything 
seems to be a few coming up now...
cant see this one staying long tho
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
cant see this one staying long tho
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
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