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Joehow said:
Nearly new pilot super sports. Will try and burn through quickly and get some cup 2s on there.
Anyone had any oil starvation issues? Worth extending the sump or putting baffles in?
My 987 Cayman S race car did when it was on slicks however that was with the M97 engine. Anyone had any oil starvation issues? Worth extending the sump or putting baffles in?
My understanding is the DFI engine is fine on Cup2s....... I hope so anyway
FTW said:
My 987 Cayman S race car did when it was on slicks however that was with the M97 engine.
My understanding is the DFI engine is fine on Cup2s....... I hope so anyway
Think they are OK now..My understanding is the DFI engine is fine on Cup2s....... I hope so anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv53RbvgfGc
Joehow said:
Did your 996.1 have .2 brakes on it then to feel the drop?
My new car has endless pads which certainly bite on the road and will hold up on track but i expect the rest to get hot.
In terms of stage one on the brakes add in Castrol SRF and 997 gt3 brake ducts to start and probably space the caliper out to get a bigger disc on.
2020 will probably be 6 pots and floating discs.
Having had some seat time today, i'd forgotten how sweet the little caymans are, very easy tk drive quickly compared to the 996.
My 996.1 GT3 was on standard 4 pot calipers, but had SRF fluid, steel braided hoses and 996.2 brake ducts, this set up was sufficient for road use. Whilst the Cayman R brakes never let me down but equally they didn't inspire confidence either, pedal feel was softer than the GT3 and my 64RS, and their ability to bite and scrub off speed quickly led to several heart stopping moments. I know a few of the guys on here have fitted GT3 master cylinders to their CRs in order to address the pedal feel. I believe a set of floating discs and 6 pots with some decent brake fluid would be the best approach.My new car has endless pads which certainly bite on the road and will hold up on track but i expect the rest to get hot.
In terms of stage one on the brakes add in Castrol SRF and 997 gt3 brake ducts to start and probably space the caliper out to get a bigger disc on.
2020 will probably be 6 pots and floating discs.
Having had some seat time today, i'd forgotten how sweet the little caymans are, very easy tk drive quickly compared to the 996.
DAB964RS said:
My 996.1 GT3 was on standard 4 pot calipers, but had SRF fluid, steel braided hoses and 996.2 brake ducts, this set up was sufficient for road use. Whilst the Cayman R brakes never let me down but equally they didn't inspire confidence either, pedal feel was softer than the GT3 and my 64RS, and their ability to bite and scrub off speed quickly led to several heart stopping moments. I know a few of the guys on here have fitted GT3 master cylinders to their CRs in order to address the pedal feel. I believe a set of floating discs and 6 pots with some decent brake fluid would be the best approach.
The 6 pots are not a straight swap. The pitch centres of the mounting bolts are different, so you either need Hubs from a 987 with PCCB or adapters made. Otherwise use a non porsche kit.Joehow said:
Porsche911R said:
So not really easier, just the R is more compliant as a road car :-) also the R has less traction and more snap over steer if you go over the limit.
Been a topic for 15 years on here I have always disagree with :-)
When really it all comes down to suspension compliance.
No genuinely easier. You chuck the keys to a 996 gt3 and a cayman r to a novice down a road and ask them to drive enthusiastically - more people end up in hedge in the 996 gt3 than the cayman r. Been a topic for 15 years on here I have always disagree with :-)
When really it all comes down to suspension compliance.
Id let anyone drive the cayman but not the gt3
I predict they will say "lift off the throttle" So be very aware about giving your keys to anyone ;-) I have seen people on the road in front of me in a Boxster spin. it's horses for courses.
Best specced R I've seen in a while.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Priced VERY well in my opinion. I bet it wont be around for long!!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Priced VERY well in my opinion. I bet it wont be around for long!!
Rsx Boy said:
Are the ceramics a problem or not ?
I heard the early iterations do not last on track and are 5k to replace.
600 for pads is cheaper then Endless pads.
I thought ceramic pads would be more.
a PCCB car is worth it even if you bin the disks later :-) they are about £15k to replace, not £5k also.I heard the early iterations do not last on track and are 5k to replace.
600 for pads is cheaper then Endless pads.
I thought ceramic pads would be more.
the R' is under braked and thus has heat issues, people only fit the GT3 MC due to pedal feel and guess what pedal feels goes to the floor when they get hot, the GT3 MC stop them going to the floor !. GT3 MC is a crap option always has been and over looks the issue of heat in these cars, in fact fitting a GT3 MC might even be dangerous, as on a normal system when the pedal starts to go long you get a bit of warning your brakes are starting to fade, if you have very little pedal movement you might stay out longer with a GT3 MC and just end up with total brake fade, and go straight on at the next bend !
The PCCB car has 350MM disks all round and GT3 6 pot calipers !!! no issue with heat there so no GT3 MC needed as the pedal is great as no heat issues ! Although this system does have a slightly larger MC which sits in between the oem and GT3 one. That's also the one to fit if you go 340mm disks, I would avoid the GT3 one at all costs, imo it reduced pedal travel to a point it makes it hard to threshold brake, and in the R that's a must have skill due to the poor ABS, you need to avoid ABS at all costs and for that you need a bit of pedal travel imo you don't want an on off switch pedal !
when your disks wear you just buy a set of 2 piece 350mm race disks. win win. fitting a 350mm disk set up and 6 pots would cost you £5k to 10k depending how mad you went.
You get a free upgrade with a PCCB car to a GT3 setup :-) even if you take the ceramic disks off and box them up.
Porsche911R said:
a PCCB car is worth it even if you bin the disks later :-) they are about £15k to replace, not £5k also.
the R' is under braked and thus has heat issues, people only fit the GT3 MC due to pedal feel and guess what pedal feels goes to the floor when they get hot, the GT3 MC stop them going to the floor !. GT3 MC is a crap option always has been and over looks the issue of heat in these cars, in fact fitting a GT3 MC might even be dangerous, as on a normal system when the pedal starts to go long you get a bit of warning your brakes are starting to fade, if you have very little pedal movement you might stay out longer with a GT3 MC and just end up with total brake fade, and go straight on at the next bend !
The PCCB car has 350MM disks all round and GT3 6 pot calipers !!! no issue with heat there so no GT3 MC needed as the pedal is great as no heat issues ! Although this system does have a slightly larger MC which sits in between the oem and GT3 one. That's also the one to fit if you go 340mm disks, I would avoid the GT3 one at all costs, imo it reduced pedal travel to a point it makes it hard to threshold brake, and in the R that's a must have skill due to the poor ABS, you need to avoid ABS at all costs and for that you need a bit of pedal travel imo you don't want an on off switch pedal !
when your disks wear you just buy a set of 2 piece 350mm race disks. win win. fitting a 350mm disk set up and 6 pots would cost you £5k to 10k depending how mad you went.
You get a free upgrade with a PCCB car to a GT3 setup :-) even if you take the ceramic disks off and box them up.
the R' is under braked and thus has heat issues, people only fit the GT3 MC due to pedal feel and guess what pedal feels goes to the floor when they get hot, the GT3 MC stop them going to the floor !. GT3 MC is a crap option always has been and over looks the issue of heat in these cars, in fact fitting a GT3 MC might even be dangerous, as on a normal system when the pedal starts to go long you get a bit of warning your brakes are starting to fade, if you have very little pedal movement you might stay out longer with a GT3 MC and just end up with total brake fade, and go straight on at the next bend !
The PCCB car has 350MM disks all round and GT3 6 pot calipers !!! no issue with heat there so no GT3 MC needed as the pedal is great as no heat issues ! Although this system does have a slightly larger MC which sits in between the oem and GT3 one. That's also the one to fit if you go 340mm disks, I would avoid the GT3 one at all costs, imo it reduced pedal travel to a point it makes it hard to threshold brake, and in the R that's a must have skill due to the poor ABS, you need to avoid ABS at all costs and for that you need a bit of pedal travel imo you don't want an on off switch pedal !
when your disks wear you just buy a set of 2 piece 350mm race disks. win win. fitting a 350mm disk set up and 6 pots would cost you £5k to 10k depending how mad you went.
You get a free upgrade with a PCCB car to a GT3 setup :-) even if you take the ceramic disks off and box them up.
Porsche911R said:
The PCCB car has 350MM disks all round and GT3 6 pot calipers !!! no issue with heat there so no GT3 MC needed as the pedal is great as no heat issues ! Although this system does have a slightly larger MC which sits in between the oem and GT3 one. That's also the one to fit if you go 340mm disks, I would avoid the GT3 one at all costs, imo it reduced pedal travel to a point it makes it hard to threshold brake, and in the R that's a must have skill due to the poor ABS, you need to avoid ABS at all costs and for that you need a bit of pedal travel imo you don't want an on off switch pedal !
Although we all agree that the standard steel brakes on an R are no where near good enough for the rest of the car I never had the brake pedal go to the floor when on track with the standard MC. So although they're not the best stoppers they never let me down. I also found that they were easier to modulate and threshold brake when I changed to the GT3 MC.boxsey said:
Although we all agree that the standard steel brakes on an R are no where near good enough for the rest of the car I never had the brake pedal go to the floor when on track with the standard MC. So although they're not the best stoppers they never let me down. I also found that they were easier to modulate and threshold brake when I changed to the GT3 MC.
I thought you said to me the reason you went with the GT3 MC was more a confidence issue because your pedal did goto the floor on track !maybe my memory is wrong :-)
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